[NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble

Fri Jan 11 06:58:29 AKST 2008

True, both use spreading codes and one of the two channel hops.  In either
case, it is a spread spectrum implementation.

Ed

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble

Actually they are both true spread spectrum, just different implementation
technologies. FHSS and DSSS.

A quick Google search will get you more info on it that you ever wanted to
know.

In any case I totally agree that there are going to be growing pains,
especially in such a widely used band.

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie
Stafford
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:59 AM
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Wayne,

Not one radio has come out that has not had some problems.  This time last
year, Spektrums were having problems..QQ lost his new Python at SEFF because
of it.  There were other losses as well.  I remember when the first ones
came out.they had problems with ANYTHING that got in front of the radio.Yes,
it was geared towards park flyers, but they still had problems.  They
learned of the voltage drop problem from QQ, but it cost others planes as
well, just didn't get acknowledged until QQ had a problem. I have yet to
hear of any incidents with a module based Futaba radio.   I don't know if
this incident on RCU actually happened or not.I'm curious as to why they
went ahead and flew knowing they had an issue on the ground..and also
curious as to the guys setup with a 40% airplane with a 6EX radio..lots of
Y's or matchboxes there.  The Futaba setup does have advantages..it is true
Spread Spectrum where the JR/Spektrum is not.  It never frequency hops.  I'm
sure there will be growing pains, just like with the JR/Spektrum.  I know
Airtronics is also working on a 2.4 system.  

Arch

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Wayne
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble

dedicated circuitry....hmmmm That sounds like it was done right!

I'll stick with the Spektrum product at least people are using it. I'm sure
there will be problems with any system. Its the growing pains of the
situation. However to be running ads that are pretty much bashing the other
guys saying Futaba did it right. Egg on the face it seems.

Besides JR and Spektrum have the market well in hand. You need a RX for a
indoor or park flyer, they got it. Need a 9 channel system for you jet or
Pattern plane they got it and people have been flying it for months. Need
something just for a 7channel sport plane, got it. Oh and by the way all the
stuff from the very first RX on DSM as well as all the RX's on DSM2, they
all work on the same TX and any of the newer TX's. Its really nice to have
reverse compatibility. I guess we know who did Spread Spektrum Right?

I was looking toward the 14MZ but a local IMAC guy planted 3  40% models on
the "new" G3 RX before they told him to cut the antenna off. That's a lot of
bones to plant. Each time the RX's went back to Hobbico for a checkup,
nothing wrong with them. Its your setup, its this, its that. He now flies
the 10X with Spektrum Module.

By the way I love the X9303. Switched over from the Futaba 9Cap and haven't
looked back. The 9303 blows the doors off the 9C and its got a 2.4 system
that works. I think when the 12X hits the shelves I might drop my dime on
it. I just can't believe I flew Futaba all these years and was missing the
forest for all the trees. I have 3 different books how to program the 9C and
have yet to crack the plastic wrap on the 9303 CD manual. Its awesome.

All I can say it was a sad day when Futaba closed its doors in Irvine, CA
and sent the ball into Hobbico hands. Back then they had people that knew
what was up, knew what was needed in a system and drove the market. Today
they are along for the ride. I wish Steve Helms and crew were still running
the show. Giving us Hysteresis adjustment OMG, making it a music player
another OMG,  just make the darn thing work man! I can listen to music on an
8 track player. I wanna fly my toy airplane.

Derek the question came as to what people want from Futaba. Well here is
your answer. Futaba Corp of America not Hobbico.

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From: Stuart Chale <mailto:schale at optonline.net>  

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble

I guess I should have said radio not modules (thanks RVP.  6 ch and 7 ch.
Here is the RCU thread.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6857282/tm.htm

Stuart

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:37 PM
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble

I am sure a bunch of you are watching the various threads on this, but if
not and you have one of the Futaba 2.4 systems, be careful.  Apparently on a
couple of occasions one radio has shot down another.  So far it has only
been reported a couple of times with the 6 and 7 channel modules only.  The
word on the forums and I am not sure how accurate this is, is that some
transmitters have been shipped without programming a unique identifier into
them.  They have the basic 0000. code.  The receiver is bound to the
transmitter's supposedly unique code.  So if two transmitters have not been
programmed with a unique ID then any receiver bound to one of them will
respond or be shot down by the other, because they essentially have the same
ID code.  Again I am not sure that this is suspicion or fact but be careful
if you are flying one until more is known.

Stuart C.

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