[NSRCA-discussion] Exper Class??

Fri Feb 8 17:19:25 AKST 2008

How old of oil should we put back in. I remember a lot of participation
before turnaround and I believe it is an easier training environment for
beginners. About 10 years ago there was a lot of interest locally in IMAC
but most could not get a handle on a continuous sequence of as few as three
maneuvers. Maybe an old style pattern should be tried an some local
contests. There is no need to generate 105+ DB anymore but there may still
be some interest.
Food for thought.
Jim Hiller

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Del Rykert
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:55 PM
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But that comparison has shrunk the numbers and continues to decline..  Maybe
tweaking needs to be undone..  Put the old oil back in.!!!  ~~ It apparently
worked better if more participation and attendance is the factor desired.

     Del
----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Van Nostrand <mailto:patterndude at tx.rr.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:32 PM
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Jerry,

It's easy to look past systems that work but think of it this way: Why
change the oil in your car?  It's driving great so why mess with it.  No
problems exist.

--Lance
----- Original Message -----
From: Budd Engineering <mailto:jerry at buddengineering.com>
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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:59 PM
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Lance, Derek, Dave, et al -

What's the merit in having a rule to solve a problem that doesn't exist?

Thx, Jerry

On Feb 7, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Lance Van Nostrand wrote:

Derek,

The current system has been improved and probably needs further tweaking.
We have a 4 year rolling horizon so guys collecting 100 pts in this time are
either in very large districts or are doing pretty well.  We have a current
rule change in process to address those that collect points too fast.  There
was a lot of effort to weigh the issues to come up with that rule. Scrapping
the rules altogether would invite a lot more uncertainty.
  I think the guys complaining about not being able to move down are just
misinformed.  Section 8.1.2 of our rules allows anyone to fill out a form
and move down.  There may be plenty of reasons why a guy might not want to
do this, but rules barriers is not one of them.

--Lance
----- Original Message -----
From:  Derek Koopowitz <mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Exper Class??

Since there are 12 AMA districts it really does take a majority to get a
proposal through the contest board.  I also think that we really need to run
this by the membership to ensure that they are behind a proposal like this -
just because you and I and a few others think that we should do away with
this rule doesn't mean that the majority of the membership feel the same
way.
On Feb 4, 2008 11:07 AM, Dave Burton < burtona at atmc.net
<mailto:burtona at atmc.net> > wrote:
Scrapping the mandatory advancement rule is an excellent approach. Where you
when I submitted rules proposals in two different cycles to do just this? I
could have used the support as it was soundly shouted down. I won't do that
again. But it needs to be done. I'm one of those 67 year old flyers  trapped
in Masters/FAI who can't move down where my present skill levels would be
more appropriate. Don't know if I would choose to back a class, but anyone
should have the option of flying the class most appropriate for them IMO. I
think peer pressure would keep the trophy hounds from staying. One reason
Masters is so crowded is ex FAI flyers who can't hack it with the top FAI
guys anymore and move back to Masters where they can compete.
Dave Burton

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There is a discussion going on the District 7 list at the moment about not
forcing people to move up a class (using points).  Case in point is a pilot
that was forced out of Intermediate into Advanced and has crashed 2 Angels
Shadows due to "pilot error" (he admits it).  He is 67 years old and his
skill levels just don't warrant him being in Advanced.

Eric Henderson's last article in Model Aviation about the points system in
the NSRCA just proves this issue - I'm in full agreement with Eric on this
and would like to see the points system scrapped.  We definitely need to
cater to the pattern pilot that is very uncomfortable flying a new class
(they've pointed out of their current class) and would like to stay put
until they feel more comfortable.  This can also happen if a new sequence is
developed for their class and the pilot is uncomfortable flying it as well
in a contest.  Shouldn't we allow them to move back a class until they feel
comfortable with the new sequence (as Chris and Mike suggested)?

I would hate to lose a pilot to pattern (and a long time supporter of
pattern) because the system forced them to do something that they just
aren't comfortable with doing.

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