[NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Mon Dec 15 14:16:52 AKST 2008

I think you are correct on all counts... It was an interesting time.  Can you imagine anyone even suggesting electric then?!  So where does that fit in and who really had the first competitive pattern airplane---and what was it...?

Richard

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:51:12 -0500From: schale at optonline.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designsTony F had the Fygleaf I believe.  Not sure of the reason for the name.Didn't Dave have the USA Star.  I Seem to remember that he had his own carbon fiber props.  They were pretty wide.  He could make the FAI pattern large or small enough to fit in a schoolyard and still look good.  I remember him playing during practice making a very small pattern that still looked good.  Strong wind too.Stuart C.Richard Strickland wrote: 

Regarding Dean's belt drive--we were all also trying to be quiet along with figuring out 'turnaround' pattern.  He had this hand carved wide EIGHTEEN inch prop(he called it a club, I think--HUGE in those days) on it.  Was the talk of the contest that year.  Von Linsowe showed up with some huge, slow thing--can't remember its name--and around then, Frac had some kind of larger, but nice flying bipe.  Lots of innovation just before the switch to 2M...  and then I took a ten year sabbatical.....RS

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800From: mups1953 at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

 Norm Page's Mach1.  They were ballistic for their time. The wing was revoulutionary. Mike--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:
From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designsTo: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:08 PM

What about the Japanese?  Was there a first Japanese plane that started to shape designs?  I remember Jerry talking about Dean’s belt drive plane one time.  That must have been revolutionary for sure.  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard StricklandSent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PMTo: cahochhalter at yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSIONSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a little b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes... 

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800From: cahochhalter at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs 

Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?  --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote: 
From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designsTo: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipesystem..  Tony Stillman, PresidentRadio South, Inc.139 Altama Connector, Box 322Brunswick, GA  315251-800-962-7802www.radiosouthrc.com  -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Ofadriancwong at earthlink.netSent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
 Pattern plane designs  Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli  -----Original Message----->From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>  >Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and >one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's SmogHog, >(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good >flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn'tcompareto >the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what thebig deal >is; it's just a low-wing Smog
 Hog."  Maybe.  But, it surerevolutionizedthe >contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.>  >Bill Glaze>----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>  >  >> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everythingup >> until then had been a high wing airplane.>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. Atone >> point, everyone had
 built a "modified" Taurus.  The TopFlight kit, >> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but itreally >> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7and  >> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including DaveBrown, Mike  >> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,because >> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around styleairplanes. >> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" patternplane, and >> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.>>
  >> Jon Lowe>>  >>  >> -----Original Message----->> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>>> To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> Kaos>>  >>  >> Bob Kane>> getterflash at yahoo.com>>  >>  >>  >>  >>
  >>  >> ------------------------------------------------------------>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"<jim.woodward at baesystems.com>>> To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Monda>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> Hi Guys,>>  >>  >>
  >>  >>  >>  >> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotalpattern>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a>> plane.>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.>>  >>  >>
  >>  >>  >>  >> Thanks,>>  >>  >>  >> Jim W.>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> _______________________________________________>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
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