From jim.woodward at baesystems.com  Mon Dec  1 06:06:50 2008
From: jim.woodward at baesystems.com (Woodward, Jim (US SSA))
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:06:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up
In-Reply-To: <635016.16027.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7b4dai$a7id1@dmzms99901.na.baesystems.com>

Here's a different kind of wrap up for the 2008 season:

1.       Fire sold all 3W equipment at huge  loss to switch to DA after
many engine/service related lost rounds over two seasons.

2.       Sold off nearly all pattern equipment, then reinvested with
Osmose

3.       Crashed new 120 flight Osmose in Bogota (snap-stall on landing
at 8500' elevator, totally my fault)

4.       Crashed new 58 flight 42% Dalton ML 300 with DA 170 and twin
tuned pipes 4 weeks later- totally destroyed (not my fault)

5.       Built new PassPort - 20 flights - hoping for a long life out of
this one - best flying plane I ever flew.

6.       Flew 16 year old Aurora 3 times, starting to like it.

 

October was a bad month L .  But, looking forward to the Tangerine
contest

Thanks,

Jim

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of krishlan
fitzsimmons
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:38 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up

 

For real Matt.. lol

I usually read a paper while flying a BM.. LOL  

Chris 

 

 

 



--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Matthew Frederick <mjfrederick at cox.net> wrote:

From: Matthew Frederick <mjfrederick at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up
To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 7:24 PM

You just gotta make sure that it doesn't hit the fan!

	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: krishlan fitzsimmons <mailto:homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>


	To: General pattern discussion
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

	Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:05 PM

	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up

	 

Flying the BM huh Robert??? lol 
That sounds funny.. 





Chris 

 

 

 



--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com> wrote:

From: Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:20 PM

It's been my first full year flying pattern.  2 planes, 7 contests, 150+
flights, and 2nd place in district championship points.  All in all, not
a bad start.  I've learned a lot, had some fun, and met a lot of neat
people.  My flying has improved drastically, thanx to practice and a LOT
of help from Troy.  Moving up to Intermediate in the last contest was a
lot of fun and it should be challenging next year.  

 

I'm down right now to send in my 12z for its 2 year service and work on
my new Black Mamba. My goal is to start flying the BM starting at the
February Phoenix contest (assuming I get it finished).  I also hope to
attend NATS for the first time.

 

It's been a good year.

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

-

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
rcmaster199 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:59 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up

 

That's several folks I have heard who changed wheels after a couple
hundred flights. Suggestion for youse..... If you lined the foam
initially with a thin layer of bicycle inner tube (ca'd on), your wheels
(the foam) will last much longer. Maybe 5 or 6X if you fly off pavement.
This tid bit ought to make Van Putte smile

 

On flying, I count flights too as Scott is. My Temptress saw about 39
flights this year (3 gallons +). And we did fly in one whole pattern
contest...woweee!!! Seven flights there alone. Temptress has just
completed her 6th season, some 1500 flights in that span, 75% of which
came in her first 3 seasons in Fla. Been in NJ for 3 seasons with a
grand total of about 350 flights. Oh well. I've met some great folks
though....

 

I also got to fly grandson Cason's Vapor about 40X and his foam glider
(EZ Star?) about 15X. And his CX2 about 3 dozen times before breaking
the rotor blades. Cason is 4 and loves flying as long as Pappou (that's
me) does the flying. But hey, he drives his little RC cars and trucks so
it's a matter of time before he competes for stick time

 

On the Vapor, this has to be the easiest to fly trainer ever made. My
son Isaac actually loves to fly it. I've been trying to get the boy to
fly with me for 15 years with no practi cal success and along comes the
Vapor and makes it so easy. I am pleased!!

 

MattK

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:51 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up

I'm not finished yet but I'm only at 259 flights this year.  Twenty
flights were testing my new 14MZ and 2.4GHz modules in January, and the
rest were with my Abbra.  All electric powered.  I did change the motor,
a DualSky 6360, at flight 422 on the Abbra, thinking the bearings were
getting noisey but they really didn't need to be changed.  I'm now at
493 flights and I think I'm on my fourth set of wheels.  I also
tightened the rudder cables once.  I'm constantly tweaking the
transmitter as there isn't much to do on the plane.    

I only got to three contests all late in the year, but I did see
improvement in my flying after watching and listening.  Practicing alone
will not get it done.

 

Jim O

 

 

On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Scott Smith wrote:

 

Since the list is slow...

 

I'm guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it's just getting too
cold here in New England!  So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404
flights since April 17th.  Contests were a little light with three
district meets and the Nat's.  Electrics worked very well for me with
battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight.

(I know, I know...it's sick I count flights.  But that's my aviation
upbringing and computer nerd side!)

 

How many flights/contests did you do this year?

 

 

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From rob at koolsoft.com  Mon Dec  1 21:43:13 2008
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:43:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up
In-Reply-To: <167729.45091.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD531@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
	<167729.45091.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD54A@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>

Everyone needs to fly a BM!  :-)

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

-

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of krishlan
fitzsimmons
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 5:06 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up

 

Flying the BM huh Robert??? lol 
That sounds funny..  <http://mail.yimg.com/a/i/mesg/tsmileys2/18.gif> 





Chris 

 

 

 



--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com> wrote:

From: Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:20 PM

It's been my first full year flying pattern.  2 planes, 7 contests, 150+
flights, and 2nd place in district championship points.  All in all, not
a bad start.  I've learned a lot, had some fun, and met a lot of neat
people.  My flying has improved drastically, thanx to practice and a LOT
of help from Troy.  Moving up to Intermediate in the last contest was a
lot of fun and it should be challenging next year.  

 

I'm down right now to send in my 12z for its 2 year service and work on
my new Black Mamba. My goal is to start flying the BM starting at the
February Phoenix contest (assuming I get it finished).  I also hope to
attend NATS for the first time.

 

It's been a good year.

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

-

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
rcmaster199 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:59 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up

 

That's several folks I have heard who changed wheels after a couple
hundred flights. Suggestion for youse..... If you lined the foam
initially with a thin layer of bicycle inner tube (ca'd on), your wheels
(the foam) will last much longer. Maybe 5 or 6X if you fly off pavement.
This tid bit ought to make Van Putte smile

 

On flying, I count flights too as Scott is. My Temptress saw about 39
flights this year (3 gallons +). And we did fly in one whole pattern
contest...woweee!!! Seven flights there alone. Temptress has just
completed her 6th season, some 1500 flights in that span, 75% of which
came in her first 3 seasons in Fla. Been in NJ for 3 seasons with a
grand total of about 350 flights. Oh well. I've met some great folks
though....

 

I also got to fly grandson Cason's Vapor about 40X and his foam glider
(EZ Star?) about 15X. And his CX2 about 3 dozen times before breaking
the rotor blades. Cason is 4 and loves flying as long as Pappou (that's
me) does the flying. But hey, he drives his little RC cars and trucks so
it's a matter of time before he competes for stick time

 

On the Vapor, this has to be the easiest to fly trainer ever made. My
son Isaac actually loves to fly it. I've been trying to get the boy to
fly with me for 15 years with no practi cal success and along comes the
Vapor and makes it so easy. I am pleased!!

 

MattK

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:51 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up

I'm not finished yet but I'm only at 259 flights this year.  Twenty
flights were testing my new 14MZ and 2.4GHz modules in January, and the
rest were with my Abbra.  All electric powered.  I did change the motor,
a DualSky 6360, at flight 422 on the Abbra, thinking the bearings were
getting noisey but they really didn't need to be changed.  I'm now at
493 flights and I think I'm on my fourth set of wheels.  I also
tightened the rudder cables once.  I'm constantly tweaking the
transmitter as there isn't much to do on the plane.    

I only got to three contests all late in the year, but I did see
improvement in my flying after watching and listening.  Practicing alone
will not get it done.

 

Jim O

 

 

On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Scott Smith wrote:

 

Since the list is slow...

 

I'm guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it's just getting too
cold here in New England!  So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404
flights since April 17th.  Contests were a little light with three
district meets and the Nat's.  Electrics worked very well for me with
battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight.

(I know, I know...it's sick I count flights.  But that's my aviation
upbringing and computer nerd side!)

 

How many flights/contests did you do this year?

 

 

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From pcosky at comcast.net  Tue Dec  2 06:35:56 2008
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:35:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
Message-ID: <014f01c95493$a887d650$a5440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>

I was cleaning out some old files on my laptop this AM and found this 
picture of Tony Stillman and RVP....It's dated from last May but I don't 
remember the genesis of it.

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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Tue Dec  2 06:42:54 2008
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:42:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
In-Reply-To: <014f01c95493$a887d650$a5440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
References: <014f01c95493$a887d650$a5440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
Message-ID: <A6C484B6E6A3481FAE045C188B28E31F@Tony>

We are two..... WILD AND CRAZY GUYS!!!!!



Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:36 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity

I was cleaning out some old files on my laptop this AM and found this 
picture of Tony Stillman and RVP....It's dated from last May but I don't 
remember the genesis of it.

If anyone remembers the story behind it please refresh my memory. 


From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Dec  2 06:50:52 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:50:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
In-Reply-To: <014f01c95493$a887d650$a5440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
References: <014f01c95493$a887d650$a5440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
Message-ID: <0A465759-F57A-4E94-982E-0C8E13187EA5@cox.net>

My mind is fuzzy on this.  There may have been some alcohol imbibing  
involved.   Wait, Tony doesn't imbibe alcohol.  However, I do and  
it's my mind that's fuzzy.  Oh never mind.

Ron VP

On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Pete Cosky wrote:

> I was cleaning out some old files on my laptop this AM and found  
> this picture of Tony Stillman and RVP....It's dated from last May  
> but I don't remember the genesis of it.
>
> If anyone remembers the story behind it please refresh my memory.  
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From wgalligan at att.net  Tue Dec  2 06:54:42 2008
From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:54:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
In-Reply-To: <014f01c95493$a887d650$a5440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
References: <014f01c95493$a887d650$a5440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
Message-ID: <A14D7A847AE8415F919B761A6A09385B@WaynePC>

There they just arrived on a boat from Czechoslovakia.... and they are 
searching for big breasted American women.
Most definitely two WilD-N-Crazzzy Guyz.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Cosky" <pcosky at comcast.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:35 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity


>I was cleaning out some old files on my laptop this AM and found this
> picture of Tony Stillman and RVP....It's dated from last May but I don't
> remember the genesis of it.
>
> If anyone remembers the story behind it please refresh my memory.
>


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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Tue Dec  2 07:36:03 2008
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:36:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
In-Reply-To: <014f01c95493$a887d650$a5440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
Message-ID: <389299.99163.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Holy sh#& ! Now THAT is funny!!! Someone, please tell us the whole story (I bet neither of these guys remember) - but let me recover from this first!!!
?
John Pavlick
?
--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 3:35 PM

I was cleaning out some old files on my laptop this AM and found this 
picture of Tony Stillman and RVP....It's dated from last May but I
don't 
remember the genesis of it.

If anyone remembers the story behind it please refresh my memory. 
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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Tue Dec  2 07:42:18 2008
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:42:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
In-Reply-To: <A14D7A847AE8415F919B761A6A09385B@WaynePC>
Message-ID: <690740.83793.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Looks like they were at the "swinging singles bar", looking for girls with dog poop on their shoes!. Good thing we cannot see their "bulges"! LOL
?
Yes - I'm still laughing. That picture is priceless! The?NEXT time I'm at a contest where Ron is in the chair, I'll try to remember this...
?
John Pavlick

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Wayne Galligan <wgalligan at att.net> wrote:

From: Wayne Galligan <wgalligan at att.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 3:54 PM

There they just arrived on a boat from Czechoslovakia.... and they are 
searching for big breasted American women.
Most definitely two WilD-N-Crazzzy Guyz.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Cosky" <pcosky at comcast.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:35 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity


>I was cleaning out some old files on my laptop this AM and found this
> picture of Tony Stillman and RVP....It's dated from last May but I
don't
> remember the genesis of it.
>
> If anyone remembers the story behind it please refresh my memory.
>


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From pcosky at comcast.net  Tue Dec  2 07:59:26 2008
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:59:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
References: <389299.99163.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I really wish I could remember why this picture came to be. Certainly a keeper.

Anyone? Bueller?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Pavlick 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity



        Holy sh#& ! Now THAT is funny!!! Someone, please tell us the whole story (I bet neither of these guys remember) - but let me recover from this first!!!

        John Pavlick

        --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net> wrote:

          From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
          Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
          To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
          Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 3:35 PM


I was cleaning out some old files on my laptop this AM and found this 
picture of Tony Stillman and RVP....It's dated from last May but I
don't 
remember the genesis of it.

If anyone remembers the story behind it please refresh my memory. 
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Tue Dec  2 08:08:42 2008
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (atwoodm at paragon-inc.com)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:08:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
In-Reply-To: <020401c9549f$5306fd30$a5440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
References: <389299.99163.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com><020401c9549f$5306fd30$a5440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
Message-ID: <2115759585-1228237712-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1133373566-@bxe164.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I'm pretty sure Ron made a comment back in the spring about them being "wild" at some event and offline we (not going to say who the "we" is) ran with it.   I'm not at my computer but I'm sure I still have the email thread.  Why we never posted the picture then I don't recall. 

-Mark
Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel

-----Original Message-----
From: "Pete Cosky" <pcosky at comcast.net>

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:59:21 
To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity


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From pcosky at comcast.net  Tue Dec  2 08:37:00 2008
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:37:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
Message-ID: <20081202173700.3656D11519@bridi.netexpress.com>

I think that by the time we were done laughing about the picture the topic had died off. 

But it made the list this time.

Pete Cosky
Sent from my Windows Mobile device

-----Original Message-----
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:08 PM
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity

I'm pretty sure Ron made a comment back in the spring about them being "wild" at some event and offline we (not going to say who the "we" is) ran with it.   I'm not at my computer but I'm sure I still have the email thread.  Why we never posted the picture then I don't recall. 

-Mark
Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel

-----Original Message-----
From: "Pete Cosky" <pcosky at comcast.net>

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:59:21 
To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity


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From jaqfly at prodigy.net  Tue Dec  2 08:51:44 2008
From: jaqfly at prodigy.net (Jim Quinn)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:51:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2009 Dues
Message-ID: <633593.75190.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

December is upon us and our 2009 dues are now due.
?
Many thanks to those who have already renewed for 2009, about 5%.
?
You can renew on the website with PayPal, send a check made out to NSRCA to me:
?
Jim Quinn
211 Airport Road
Endicott, NY 13760
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or call me at 315.292.0309 with your credit card renewal.
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Just a reminder: you don't need your NSRCA number to renew.
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Thanks,
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From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Dec  2 09:01:50 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:01:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
In-Reply-To: <20081202173700.3656D11519@bridi.netexpress.com>
References: <20081202173700.3656D11519@bridi.netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <AFC85BB0-CBA2-481D-9393-66267BD12AD5@cox.net>

I'm puzzled.  I can understand Tony being labeled as a "Wild and  
Crazy" kind of guy, but can't understand a sober, stable, even  
tempered person like me being painted with that brush.

Ron VP

On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Pete Cosky wrote:

> I think that by the time we were done laughing about the picture  
> the topic had died off.
>
> But it made the list this time.
>
> Pete Cosky
> Sent from my Windows Mobile device
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:08 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
>
> I'm pretty sure Ron made a comment back in the spring about them  
> being "wild" at some event and offline we (not going to say who the  
> "we" is) ran with it.   I'm not at my computer but I'm sure I still  
> have the email thread.  Why we never posted the picture then I  
> don't recall.
>
> -Mark
> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Pete Cosky" <pcosky at comcast.net>
>
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:59:21
> To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
>
>
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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Tue Dec  2 09:11:35 2008
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:11:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
In-Reply-To: <020401c9549f$5306fd30$a5440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
Message-ID: <658129.11454.qm@web80504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Who did the editing? Nice job. Yeah, I'm sure there's a story behind this...
?
John Pavlick

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:59 PM





I really wish I could remember why this picture came to be. Certainly a keeper.
?
Anyone? Bueller?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Pavlick 
To: General pattern discussion 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity







Holy sh#& ! Now THAT is funny!!! Someone, please tell us the whole story (I bet neither of these guys remember) - but let me recover from this first!!!
?
John Pavlick

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 3:35 PM

I was cleaning out some old files on my laptop this AM and found this 
picture of Tony Stillman and RVP....It's dated from last May but I
don't 
remember the genesis of it.

If anyone remembers the story behind it please refresh my memory. 
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From lightfoot at sc.rr.com  Tue Dec  2 09:16:12 2008
From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:16:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
In-Reply-To: <658129.11454.qm@web80504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AA52672DCCE64F2F9CB7C7A63C3AF27A@jaysdesktop>

A good K-Factor submission...

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:12 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity

 


Who did the editing? Nice job. Yeah, I'm sure there's a story behind this...

 

John Pavlick

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:59 PM

I really wish I could remember why this picture came to be. Certainly a
keeper.

 

Anyone? Bueller?

----- Original Message ----- 

From: John Pavlick <mailto:jpavlick at idseng.com>  

To: General pattern <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  discussion 

Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity

 



Holy sh#& ! Now THAT is funny!!! Someone, please tell us the whole story (I
bet neither of these guys remember) - but let me recover from this first!!!

 

John Pavlick


--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 3:35 PM

I was cleaning out some old files on my laptop this AM and found this 
picture of Tony Stillman and RVP....It's dated from last May but I
don't 
remember the genesis of it.
 
If anyone remembers the story behind it please refresh my memory. 
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  2 10:45:41 2008
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:45:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
In-Reply-To: <AA52672DCCE64F2F9CB7C7A63C3AF27A@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <757140.2354.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I thought this pic was in the Kfactor at some point.. I remember the pic. The only way I woulda saw it was in there.. 

Chris   ?  ?  ?

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:
From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
To: jpavlick at idseng.com, "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 10:15 AM




 


 







A good K-Factor submission?..

?



Jay Marshall 



-----Original Message-----

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick

Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008
1:12 PM

To: General pattern
 discussion

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
And now for a bit of levity

?


 
  
  
  Who did the editing? Nice job. Yeah, I'm sure
  there's a story behind this...
  
  
  ?
  
  
  John Pavlick

  

  --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
  wrote:
  
  
  From: Pete Cosky
  <pcosky at comcast.net>

  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity

  To: "General pattern discussion"
  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

  Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:59 PM
  
  
  I really wish I could remember why this picture came to
  be. Certainly a keeper.
  
  
  ?
  
  
  Anyone? Bueller?
  
  
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  
  
  From: John Pavlick 
  
  
  To: General pattern
  discussion 
  
  
  Sent: Tuesday,
  December 02, 2008 11:36 AM
  
  
  Subject: Re:
  [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
  
  
  ?
  
  
   
    
    
    

    Holy sh#& ! Now THAT is funny!!! Someone, please tell us the whole
    story (I bet neither of these guys remember) - but let me recover from this
    first!!!
    
    
    ?
    
    
    John Pavlick
    
    
    

    --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
    wrote:
    
    
    From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>

    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity

    To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

    Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 3:35 PM
    I was cleaning out some old files on my laptop this AM and found this picture of Tony Stillman and RVP....It's dated from last May but Idon't remember the genesis of it.?If anyone remembers the story behind it please refresh my memory. _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
    
   
  
  
  
  
  
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From khoard at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 10:51:12 2008
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:51:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
In-Reply-To: <658129.11454.qm@web80504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <020401c9549f$5306fd30$a5440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
	<658129.11454.qm@web80504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6792ef120812021151i74aaa8d3va634cce901f59b23@mail.gmail.com>

Editing?  We don't need no stinking editing!!!

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:11 AM, John Pavlick <jpavlick at idseng.com> wrote:

> Who did the editing? Nice job. Yeah, I'm sure there's a story behind
> this...
>
> John Pavlick
>
> --- On *Tue, 12/2/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>* wrote:
>
> From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:59 PM
>
>
>  I really wish I could remember why this picture came to be. Certainly a
> keeper.
>
> Anyone? Bueller?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Pavlick <jpavlick at idseng.com>
> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
>
>
> Holy sh#& ! Now THAT is funny!!! Someone, please tell us the whole story (I
> bet neither of these guys remember) - but let me recover from this first!!!
>
> John Pavlick
>
> --- On *Tue, 12/2/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>* wrote:
>
> From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] And now for a bit of levity
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 3:35 PM
>
> I was cleaning out some old files on my laptop this AM and found this
> picture of Tony Stillman and RVP....It's dated from last May but I
> don't
> remember the genesis of it.
>
> If anyone remembers the story behind it please refresh my memory.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From tewalker10 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  2 20:13:22 2008
From: tewalker10 at yahoo.com (Terrence Walker)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:13:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RCATS Glow Driver for sale
Message-ID: <217286.38318.qm@web35504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is a new-in-the-box RCATS Smart Lithium Glow Driver. It has the the 5 second delay for turn on and the long glow plug clip.?For sale $75.00. 
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From jlkonn at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  3 10:58:30 2008
From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:58:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester
Message-ID: <BLU106-W8DF0FE926AF55E3C67808CD030@phx.gbl>


Anyone have a contact number for Mike?
I've tried both
678-401-4080
and 
770-833-2414 
(off his website) several times today and left 
messages but haven't gotten any response.
Anyone have another number?
Thanks!
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From astafford at swtexas.net  Wed Dec  3 11:47:58 2008
From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:47:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W8DF0FE926AF55E3C67808CD030@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W8DF0FE926AF55E3C67808CD030@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004a01c95588$651e2f40$2f5a8dc0$@net>

Those are correct numbers.sometimes he gets very busy and it takes a day or
two to respond.  Also, if he gets sick he will turn his phone off,

 

Arch

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:28 AM
To: Discussion List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester

 

Anyone have a contact number for Mike?
I've tried both
678-401-4080
and 
770-833-2414 
(off his website) several times today and left 
messages but haven't gotten any response.
Anyone have another number?
Thanks!
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From burtona at atmc.net  Wed Dec  3 11:50:03 2008
From: burtona at atmc.net (Dave Burton)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:50:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W8DF0FE926AF55E3C67808CD030@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W8DF0FE926AF55E3C67808CD030@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002a01c95588$b506e150$1f14a3f0$@net>

I'd bet he has left for the Tangerine contest.

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:58 PM
To: Discussion List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester

 

Anyone have a contact number for Mike?
I've tried both
678-401-4080
and 
770-833-2414 
(off his website) several times today and left 
messages but haven't gotten any response.
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Thanks!
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec  3 12:10:24 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:10:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester
In-Reply-To: <002a01c95588$b506e150$1f14a3f0$@net>
Message-ID: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNGELCCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>

Yep, supposed to be here for tomorrow

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Dave Burton
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:50 PM
  To: 'General pattern discussion'
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester


  I?d bet he has left for the Tangerine contest.



  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:58 PM
  To: Discussion List
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester



  Anyone have a contact number for Mike?
  I've tried both
  678-401-4080
  and
  770-833-2414
  (off his website) several times today and left
  messages but haven't gotten any response.
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From kerlock at comcast.net  Wed Dec  3 13:35:28 2008
From: kerlock at comcast.net (Mike Hester)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:35:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester
References: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNGELCCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <330116BBE56F4E5785F039B886B671BD@Sanity>

or maybe.......

Mike wasn't home today because he was at the doctor's office, ACH foam in Gainesville, AND UPS, and just got back? And doesn't have much of a voice right now?

Jeezus John, I'll call you in a few. 

And nope sorry, I won't be going to Tangerine. Pnuemonia+lupus and I'm staying in bed. And Melissa isn't doing a lot better. you have no idea how bad I want to be there, but chemo and steroids have other plans for me this weekend.

-Mike
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JShulman 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester


  Yep, supposed to be here for tomorrow

  Regards,
  Jason
  www.jasonshulman.com
  www.shulmanaviation..com
  www.composite-arf.com


    -----Original Message-----
    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Dave Burton
    Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:50 PM
    To: 'General pattern discussion'
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester


    I?d bet he has left for the Tangerine contest.

     

    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker
    Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:58 PM
    To: Discussion List
    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester

     

    Anyone have a contact number for Mike?
    I've tried both
    678-401-4080
    and 
    770-833-2414 
    (off his website) several times today and left 
    messages but haven't gotten any response.
    Anyone have another number?
    Thanks!
    JLK





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From vanputte at cox.net  Wed Dec  3 14:01:31 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:01:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester
In-Reply-To: <330116BBE56F4E5785F039B886B671BD@Sanity>
References: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNGELCCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
	<330116BBE56F4E5785F039B886B671BD@Sanity>
Message-ID: <00B429E1-6003-4E23-9830-783C8CB223D2@cox.net>

Hang in there Mike.

If you're not flying in the Master class at the Tangerine, I will  
finish one place closer to the top.

Ron VP

On Dec 3, 2008, at 4:35 PM, Mike Hester wrote:

> or maybe.......
>
> Mike wasn't home today because he was at the doctor's office, ACH  
> foam in Gainesville, AND UPS, and just got back? And doesn't have  
> much of a voice right now?
>
> Jeezus John, I'll call you in a few.
>
> And nope sorry, I won't be going to Tangerine. Pnuemonia+lupus and  
> I'm staying in bed. And Melissa isn't doing a lot better. you have  
> no idea how bad I want to be there, but chemo and steroids have  
> other plans for me this weekend.
>
> -Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JShulman
> To: General pattern discussion
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester
>
> Yep, supposed to be here for tomorrow
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation..com
> www.composite-arf.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Dave Burton
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:50 PM
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester
>
> I?d bet he has left for the Tangerine contest.
>
>
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:58 PM
> To: Discussion List
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester
>
>
>
> Anyone have a contact number for Mike?
> I've tried both
> 678-401-4080
> and
> 770-833-2414
> (off his website) several times today and left
> messages but haven't gotten any response.
> Anyone have another number?
> Thanks!
> JLK
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>
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From ojfrets at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  3 14:29:46 2008
From: ojfrets at earthlink.net (ORLANDO  FRETS)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:29:46 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester
In-Reply-To: <330116BBE56F4E5785F039B886B671BD@Sanity>
References: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNGELCCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
	<330116BBE56F4E5785F039B886B671BD@Sanity>
Message-ID: <5B1BABBDB04145AD9516E136F8420788@OrlandoPC>

Mike:
You and Melissa take care of yourselves. The health is more important. 


Orlando Frets

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hester
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:35 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester

or maybe.......
 
Mike wasn't home today because he was at the doctor's office, ACH foam in
Gainesville, AND UPS, and just got back? And doesn't have much of a voice
right now?
 
Jeezus John, I'll call you in a few. 
 
And nope sorry, I won't be going to Tangerine. Pnuemonia+lupus and I'm
staying in bed. And Melissa isn't doing a lot better. you have no idea how
bad I want to be there, but chemo and steroids have other plans for me this
weekend.
 
-Mike

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: JShulman <mailto:jshulman at cfl.rr.com>  
	To: General pattern discussion
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
	Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:11 PM
	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester

	Yep, supposed to be here for tomorrow
	 

	Regards,
	Jason
	www.jasonshulman.com
	www.shulmanaviation..com
	www.composite-arf.com
	

		-----Original Message-----
		From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Dave Burton
		Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:50 PM
		To: 'General pattern discussion'
		Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester
		
		

		I'd bet he has left for the Tangerine contest.

		 

		From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker
		Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:58 PM
		To: Discussion List
		Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Mike Hester

		 

		Anyone have a contact number for Mike?
		I've tried both
		678-401-4080
		and 
		770-833-2414 
		(off his website) several times today and left 
		messages but haven't gotten any response.
		Anyone have another number?
		Thanks!
		JLK



	
	
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Thu Dec  4 07:31:32 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:31:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS-170 o-rings
Message-ID: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNKELKCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>

I have a pack of old 91/120 black o-rings for the pushrod cover guides... anyone know if they'll work on the 170? Mine's leaking and
making a MESS in the plane. I'd rather not go through the weekend with it like this, but if I have to, then no choice. Thanks

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
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From dunnaway at hbcomm.net  Thu Dec  4 07:36:05 2008
From: dunnaway at hbcomm.net (Joe Dunnaway)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:36:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS-170 o-rings
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNKELKCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
References: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNKELKCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <493806EF.10001@hbcomm.net>

They are the same Jason. 

Joe


JShulman wrote:
> I have a pack of old 91/120 black o-rings for the pushrod cover guides... anyone know if they'll work on the 170? Mine's leaking and
> making a MESS in the plane. I'd rather not go through the weekend with it like this, but if I have to, then no choice. Thanks
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
>
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From lightfoot at sc.rr.com  Thu Dec  4 07:45:39 2008
From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:45:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
Message-ID: <91D3824BE6124389BB4B30AF7B2E8067@jaysdesktop>

 

I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
suggestions on regulators?

Jay Marshall 

 

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From rob at koolsoft.com  Thu Dec  4 07:55:10 2008
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:55:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <91D3824BE6124389BB4B30AF7B2E8067@jaysdesktop>
References: <91D3824BE6124389BB4B30AF7B2E8067@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD58A@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>

Yeah, Jaccio regulators and switch harnesses:

http://www.centralhobbies.com/Electrical/switch_harness/Switchhar.html

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

-

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay
Marshall
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:45 AM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

 

I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
suggestions on regulators?

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From rob at koolsoft.com  Thu Dec  4 08:01:49 2008
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:01:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD58A@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
References: <91D3824BE6124389BB4B30AF7B2E8067@jaysdesktop>
	<F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD58A@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
Message-ID: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD58B@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>

Sorry, I meant to add, you can purchase 2 of those smart switch
harnesses, and wire both regulators up to the same switch.  That's what
I'm doing in my Black Mamba.

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

-

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Beaubien
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:55 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

Yeah, Jaccio regulators and switch harnesses:

http://www.centralhobbies.com/Electrical/switch_harness/Switchhar.html

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

-

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay
Marshall
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:45 AM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

 

I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
suggestions on regulators?

Jay Marshall 

 

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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Thu Dec  4 08:22:42 2008
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:22:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <91D3824BE6124389BB4B30AF7B2E8067@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <975941.86843.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tech Aero regulators of course! 
http://www.tech-aero.net
Check out the Tech tips section too. Ed did a nice paper on how to set up your regulators.
?
John Pavlick

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:45 PM








?
I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any suggestions on regulators?
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Thu Dec  4 08:25:11 2008
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:25:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD58B@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
References: <91D3824BE6124389BB4B30AF7B2E8067@jaysdesktop>
	<F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD58A@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
	<F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD58B@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
Message-ID: <AEC78524-E210-47EF-A0E3-570FB31F42A4@socal.rr.com>

Robert,

It is not a bad idea to use two switches so you can check each battery/ 
regulator separately.  With just one switch you might not detect a bad  
regulator or battery.  Having said that, it is unlikely two switches  
would fail at the same time, and most folks already have switch  
harnesses, one might use two standalone regulators and save money.  If  
you plan on using one battery and one switch/regulator you definitely  
want the fail-safe Perfect Switch Harness.  That's what I use.

Jim O


On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Robert L. Beaubien wrote:

> Sorry, I meant to add, you can purchase 2 of those smart switch  
> harnesses, and wire both regulators up to the same switch.  That's  
> what I'm doing in my Black Mamba.
>
> - Robert Beaubien
> - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster
> -
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Robert L. Beaubien
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:55 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
>
> Yeah, Jaccio regulators and switch harnesses:
> http://www.centralhobbies.com/Electrical/switch_harness/Switchhar.html
>
> - Robert Beaubien
> - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster
> -
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:45 AM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
>
>
> I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo.  
> Any suggestions on regulators?
> Jay Marshall
>
>
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 08:29:47 2008
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:29:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <91D3824BE6124389BB4B30AF7B2E8067@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <407829.64914.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jaccio perfect switch-regulator x 2


Chris   ?  ?  ?

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:
From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 8:45 AM




 


 







?

I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably
LiPo. Any suggestions on regulators?

Jay Marshall 

?



 

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From tretas513 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 09:23:36 2008
From: tretas513 at yahoo.com (Tommy Scarmardo)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:23:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <91D3824BE6124389BB4B30AF7B2E8067@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <389672.47557.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital
switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe
they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single
battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 
cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's
pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't
recall at the moment.
?
tommy s

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM








?
I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any suggestions on regulators?
Jay Marshall 
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From lightfoot at sc.rr.com  Thu Dec  4 11:35:09 2008
From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:35:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <389672.47557.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C2A0CB73DF2E49B98372C41913609908@jaysdesktop>

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision - but not
until January!

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy
Scarmardo
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 


The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital

switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe

they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single

battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 

cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's

pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't

recall at the moment.

 

tommy s

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM

 

I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
suggestions on regulators?

Jay Marshall 

 

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From khoard at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 11:44:00 2008
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:44:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <C2A0CB73DF2E49B98372C41913609908@jaysdesktop>
References: <389672.47557.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<C2A0CB73DF2E49B98372C41913609908@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <6792ef120812041243m7b21d744gc76d32ef0ce64eb1@mail.gmail.com>

Use 2-cell A123 packs.  No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from
a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

>  Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision ? but
> not until January!
>
>
>
> *Jay **Marshall*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Tommy Scarmardo
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
>
>
>
> The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital
>
> switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe
>
> they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single
>
> battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches
>
> cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's
>
> pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't
>
> recall at the moment.
>
>
>
> tommy s
>
> --- On *Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM
>
>
>
> I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
> suggestions on regulators?
>
> *Jay Marshall*
>
>
>
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From lightfoot at sc.rr.com  Thu Dec  4 12:04:52 2008
From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:04:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <6792ef120812041243m7b21d744gc76d32ef0ce64eb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F770C7441F8546CEACBDB148F2871578@jaysdesktop>

I would still need regulators to keep a bad pack/wiring/switch from taking
down the whole system; this is the real reason for a dual battery setup. In
addition, I think the servos I have selected are only rated at 4.6V.

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:44 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

Use 2-cell A123 packs.  No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from
a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision - but not
until January!

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy
Scarmardo
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 


The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital

switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe

they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single

battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 

cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's

pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't

recall at the moment.

 

tommy s

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM

 

I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
suggestions on regulators?

Jay Marshall 

 

_______________________________________________
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NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

 


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From astafford at swtexas.net  Thu Dec  4 12:12:29 2008
From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:12:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <F770C7441F8546CEACBDB148F2871578@jaysdesktop>
References: <6792ef120812041243m7b21d744gc76d32ef0ce64eb1@mail.gmail.com>
	<F770C7441F8546CEACBDB148F2871578@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <004201c95654$f74d9c30$e5e8d490$@net>

Jay,

 

What servos are you running?  If you are flying Futaba, ALL of their servos
will work fine on 6.1V or higher.  They recommend 4.8 on some of their heli
servos as the Gyro only runs on 4.8, but all of their digitals will work,
including the heli ones on 6.1V or a little higher.  I personally regulate
all my stuff to 6.5V and never had a problem with any of them,

 

Any other brands I can't speak for.

 

Arch

Team Futaba

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:35 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

I would still need regulators to keep a bad pack/wiring/switch from taking
down the whole system; this is the real reason for a dual battery setup. In
addition, I think the servos I have selected are only rated at 4.6V.

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:44 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

Use 2-cell A123 packs.  No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from
a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision - but not
until January!

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy
Scarmardo
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 


The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital

switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe

they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single

battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 

cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's

pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't

recall at the moment.

 

tommy s

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM

 

I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
suggestions on regulators?

Jay Marshall 

 

_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

 


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From brian_w_young at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 12:21:30 2008
From: brian_w_young at yahoo.com (brian young)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:21:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
References: <F770C7441F8546CEACBDB148F2871578@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <623957.39743.qm@web35206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What do the B & D A123 cells weight?




________________________________
From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:04:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator


I would still need regulators to keep a bad pack/wiring/switch from taking down the whole system; this is the real reason for a dual battery setup. In addition, I think the servos I have selected are only rated at 4.6V.
?
Jay Marshall
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:44 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
?
Use 2-cell A123 packs.? No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:
Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision ? but not until January!
?
Jay Marshall
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Scarmardo
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
?
The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital
switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe
they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single
battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 
cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's
pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't
recall at the moment.
?
tommy s

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:
From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM
?
I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any suggestions on regulators?
Jay Marshall 
?
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From lightfoot at sc.rr.com  Thu Dec  4 12:22:31 2008
From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:22:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <004201c95654$f74d9c30$e5e8d490$@net>
Message-ID: <FC7063ADBDA54DEC84DED56CE5489825@jaysdesktop>

I am using S9151 for the rudder, 2ea. S9650 for the elevators and 2ea BLS451
for the ailerons. The S9151 is not rated at 6.0V according the Futaba
Digital Servo site. There are also other digital servos that are not rated.

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie
Stafford
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:12 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

Jay,

 

What servos are you running?  If you are flying Futaba, ALL of their servos
will work fine on 6.1V or higher.  They recommend 4.8 on some of their heli
servos as the Gyro only runs on 4.8, but all of their digitals will work,
including the heli ones on 6.1V or a little higher.  I personally regulate
all my stuff to 6.5V and never had a problem with any of them,

 

Any other brands I can't speak for.

 

Arch

Team Futaba

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:35 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

I would still need regulators to keep a bad pack/wiring/switch from taking
down the whole system; this is the real reason for a dual battery setup. In
addition, I think the servos I have selected are only rated at 4.6V.

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:44 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

Use 2-cell A123 packs.  No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from
a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision - but not
until January!

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy
Scarmardo
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 


The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital

switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe

they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single

battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 

cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's

pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't

recall at the moment.

 

tommy s

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM

 

I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
suggestions on regulators?

Jay Marshall 

 

_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

 


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From khoard at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 12:27:00 2008
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:27:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <F770C7441F8546CEACBDB148F2871578@jaysdesktop>
References: <6792ef120812041243m7b21d744gc76d32ef0ce64eb1@mail.gmail.com>
	<F770C7441F8546CEACBDB148F2871578@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <6792ef120812041326j8daba45h1d58ca859f4b19f8@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone ever demonstrated / tested the "bad pack" scenario?   Yes, Red
Scholefield did (it's on his web site). . . it's not as catastrophic as some
people will make it out to be.  I personally fall into the "less is more"
philosophy when you start talking about component counts between the
batteries and radio system.

If you top off your A123 batts before each flight then you are checking each
cell if you use a charger such as the FMA 4S so you'll catch a bad cell
immediately.  Even so, the A123's fail to open, so you wouldn't have the
other pack pulling down the system. . . just running on one pack until
landing.

Alot of 4.6V servos work just fine on 6V . . . . . Unless you're doing snaps
or flying a JR radio. . .


On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

>  I would still need regulators to keep a bad pack/wiring/switch from
> taking down the whole system; this is the real reason for a dual battery
> setup. In addition, I think the servos I have selected are only rated at
> 4.6V.
>
>
>
> *Jay **Marshall*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Keith Hoard
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:44 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
>
>
>
> Use 2-cell A123 packs.  No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from
> a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision ? but not
> until January!
>
>
>
> *Jay Marshall*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Tommy Scarmardo
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
>
>
>
> The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital
>
> switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe
>
> they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single
>
> battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches
>
> cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's
>
> pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't
>
> recall at the moment.
>
>
>
> tommy s
>
> --- On *Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM
>
>
>
> I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
> suggestions on regulators?
>
> *Jay Marshall*
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>
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>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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>
> Keith Hoard
> Collierville, TN
> khoard at gmail.com
>
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From astafford at swtexas.net  Thu Dec  4 12:28:53 2008
From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:28:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <FC7063ADBDA54DEC84DED56CE5489825@jaysdesktop>
References: <004201c95654$f74d9c30$e5e8d490$@net>
	<FC7063ADBDA54DEC84DED56CE5489825@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <006501c95657$4081c640$c18552c0$@net>

Jay,

 

I've flown every one of those with zero problems at 6.5V with no problems.
I have now switched over to all of the brushless stuff, but you can all of
that at 6V without any problems at all,

 

Arch

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:52 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

I am using S9151 for the rudder, 2ea. S9650 for the elevators and 2ea BLS451
for the ailerons. The S9151 is not rated at 6.0V according the Futaba
Digital Servo site. There are also other digital servos that are not rated.

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie
Stafford
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:12 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

Jay,

 

What servos are you running?  If you are flying Futaba, ALL of their servos
will work fine on 6.1V or higher.  They recommend 4.8 on some of their heli
servos as the Gyro only runs on 4.8, but all of their digitals will work,
including the heli ones on 6.1V or a little higher.  I personally regulate
all my stuff to 6.5V and never had a problem with any of them,

 

Any other brands I can't speak for.

 

Arch

Team Futaba

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:35 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

I would still need regulators to keep a bad pack/wiring/switch from taking
down the whole system; this is the real reason for a dual battery setup. In
addition, I think the servos I have selected are only rated at 4.6V.

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:44 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

Use 2-cell A123 packs.  No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from
a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision - but not
until January!

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy
Scarmardo
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 


The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital

switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe

they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single

battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 

cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's

pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't

recall at the moment.

 

tommy s

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM

 

I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
suggestions on regulators?

Jay Marshall 

 

_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

 


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From khoard at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 12:33:06 2008
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:33:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <FC7063ADBDA54DEC84DED56CE5489825@jaysdesktop>
References: <004201c95654$f74d9c30$e5e8d490$@net>
	<FC7063ADBDA54DEC84DED56CE5489825@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <6792ef120812041332o18be0f2ag41bcf0317e609be8@mail.gmail.com>

I ran S9151's all last year on a 2S-A123 pack with no problemo's. . .

The 2S-A123 cells weigh 79 grams nekked. .

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

>  I am using S9151 for the rudder, 2ea. S9650 for the elevators and 2ea BLS451
> for the ailerons. The S9151 is not rated at 6.0V according the Futaba
> Digital Servo site. There are also other digital servos that are not rated.
>
>
>
> *Jay **Marshall*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Archie Stafford
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:12 PM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
>
>
>
> Jay,
>
>
>
> What servos are you running?  If you are flying Futaba, ALL of their servos
> will work fine on 6.1V or higher.  They recommend 4.8 on some of their heli
> servos as the Gyro only runs on 4.8, but all of their digitals will work,
> including the heli ones on 6.1V or a little higher.  I personally regulate
> all my stuff to 6.5V and never had a problem with any of them,
>
>
>
> Any other brands I can't speak for.
>
>
>
> Arch
>
> Team Futaba
>
>
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Jay Marshall
> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2008 1:35 AM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
>
>
>
> I would still need regulators to keep a bad pack/wiring/switch from taking
> down the whole system; this is the real reason for a dual battery setup. In
> addition, I think the servos I have selected are only rated at 4.6V.
>
>
>
> *Jay Marshall*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Keith Hoard
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:44 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
>
>
>
> Use 2-cell A123 packs.  No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from
> a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision ? but not
> until January!
>
>
>
> *Jay Marshall*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Tommy Scarmardo
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
>
>
>
> The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital
>
> switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe
>
> they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single
>
> battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches
>
> cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's
>
> pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't
>
> recall at the moment.
>
>
>
> tommy s
>
> --- On *Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM
>
>
>
> I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
> suggestions on regulators?
>
> *Jay Marshall*
>
>
>
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From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  4 12:53:37 2008
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:53:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
References: <91D3824BE6124389BB4B30AF7B2E8067@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <BAY135-DAV127F762A789EF007C5F384E8020@phx.gbl>

Jay:
Tech-Aero dual regulator.  www.tech-aero.net  Let me know if you have any questions

Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jay Marshall 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:45 AM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator




  I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any suggestions on regulators?

  Jay Marshall 





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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Thu Dec  4 13:22:33 2008
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:22:33 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <6792ef120812041332o18be0f2ag41bcf0317e609be8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <969913.21112.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jay,
?I run my Futaba servos (even ones rated for "4.8V only") on 6.0V with 2 Thunderpower 730 LiPO packs and 2 Tech-Aero regulators. Not a problem. Here's my understanding of the "4.8V only"?Futaba servo deal: In the old days Futaba stated that their servos could be run on either a 4-cell alkaline battery pack or a 4-cell NiCad pack. Well, a 4-cell alkaline battery pack is nominally 6.0V. If you look at a 4-cell NiCad pack when it comes off the charger it's not 4.8V. I know they say to use a 4.8v pack only but?I think you have to read between the lines here. First of all, they're assuming that most people will not be using a regulator. Just a fully charged battery pack. They don't want you to use a 5-cell pack because the voltage is pretty high on those when they're fully charged. That's why I believe they say "4.8V only". Because most people think of a 4-cell niCad pack as 4.8V.?It isn't though. Now, if you run a regulator, you'll always have pretty
 close to the regulated voltage and in that case the cell count doesn't really matter.?I think if you put a voltmeter on a fully charged 4-cell niCad pack you might be surprised.
?
John Pavlick


--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:32 PM


I ran S9151's all last year on a 2S-A123 pack with no problemo's. . .

The 2S-A123 cells weigh 79 grams nekked. . 


On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:




I am using S9151 for the rudder, 2ea. S9650 for the elevators and 2ea BLS451 for the ailerons. The S9151 is not rated at 6.0V according the Futaba Digital Servo site. There are also other digital servos that are not rated.
?

Jay Marshall 



-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie Stafford
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:12 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
?
Jay,
?
What servos are you running?? If you are flying Futaba, ALL of their servos will work fine on 6.1V or higher.? They recommend 4.8 on some of their heli servos as the Gyro only runs on 4.8, but all of their digitals will work, including the heli ones on 6.1V or a little higher.? I personally regulate all my stuff to 6.5V and never had a problem with any of them,
?
Any other brands I can't speak for.
?
Arch
Team Futaba
?


From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:35 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
?
I would still need regulators to keep a bad pack/wiring/switch from taking down the whole system; this is the real reason for a dual battery setup. In addition, I think the servos I have selected are only rated at 4.6V.
?

Jay Marshall 
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:44 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
?
Use 2-cell A123 packs.? No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:


Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision ? but not until January!
?
Jay Marshall 
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Scarmardo
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
?





The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital

switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe

they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single

battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 

cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's

pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't

recall at the moment.

?

tommy s

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM


?
I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any suggestions on regulators?

Jay Marshall 
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From astafford at swtexas.net  Thu Dec  4 15:31:24 2008
From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:31:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
Message-ID: <002501c95670$cb88dd00$629a9700$@net>

 

Any idea when this will be online?  My wife received the hard copy today,
but I'm over here in the sandbox and would like to see it,

 

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From tewalker01 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 10:29:57 2008
From: tewalker01 at yahoo.com (Terrence Walker)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:29:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RCATS Glow Driver has been sold
Message-ID: <904766.1979.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

My apologies to all that inquired, I should have posted this sooner.


      
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From rcpattern at swtexas.net  Thu Dec  4 15:28:03 2008
From: rcpattern at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:28:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November K-Factor
Message-ID: <002001c95670$5436e760$fca4b620$@net>

Any idea when this will be online?  My wife received the hard copy today,
but I'm over here in the sandbox and would like to see it,

 

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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Thu Dec  4 16:09:18 2008
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:09:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1/8 inch masking tape
Message-ID: <611277B7-A8D0-4A87-BAFE-A8719E7917E1@socal.rr.com>

I recently read where someone recommended masking tape that was better  
than 3M.  Can't remember the brand or where I saw it.  Anyone out  
there see it or know what I'm talking about?

Jim O

From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 16:14:10 2008
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:14:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <002501c95670$cb88dd00$629a9700$@net>
Message-ID: <897458.64793.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Which one just came in the mail? November? December? 
I see the latest online is October.. 

Now that I edit them, I have no idea when they come in the mail.. Heck, I don't even know what the wife does with them.. I wonder what she's using to start the fires in the fireplace.. 

Chris   ?  ?  ?

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Archie Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net> wrote:
From: Archie Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:31 PM




 
 






 ? 

Any idea when this will be online?? My wife received
the hard copy today, but I?m over here in the sandbox and would like to
see it, 

 ? 

Arch 

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From k6xyz at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  4 16:17:49 2008
From: k6xyz at sbcglobal.net (Dave Harmon)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:17:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1/8 inch masking tape
In-Reply-To: <611277B7-A8D0-4A87-BAFE-A8719E7917E1@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <645CCBB5963047FAB197A08DED939426@skunkputer>

Hey Jim.....I use 3M fine line and Great Planes E-Z Mask.
The EM is really flexible and goes around corners and curves a lot better
them FL.
Sticks good too...no bleed under.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVPROFIL=&FVSEARCH=e-z+mask&se
arch=Go


Regards

Dave Harmon
NSRCA 586
K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
Sperry, Ok.

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:09 PM
To: NSRCA List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1/8 inch masking tape

I recently read where someone recommended masking tape that was better  
than 3M.  Can't remember the brand or where I saw it.  Anyone out  
there see it or know what I'm talking about?

Jim O
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From jaqfly at prodigy.net  Thu Dec  4 16:28:32 2008
From: jaqfly at prodigy.net (Jim Quinn)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:28:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Renewal Thanks
Message-ID: <440154.54161.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

HI,
?
Thanks to all who have been so good with 2009 renewals. As a thank you to all who have renewed and in anticipation of all who will renew please click on the link below in honor of all of us using CA.
?
http://home.comcast.net/~singingman7777/SOY.htm 
Thanks,

Jim Quinn

From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Thu Dec  4 18:13:09 2008
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:13:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <897458.64793.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <897458.64793.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB249E8056EF75-2B8-B0F@WEBMAIL-DG02.sim.aol.com>

Okay then....What are you implying??










-----Original Message-----

From: krishlan fitzsimmons &lt;homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com&gt;

To: General pattern discussion &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;

Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 8:14 pm

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor









Which one just came in the mail? November? December? 

I see the latest online is October.. 



Now that I edit them, I have no idea when they come in the mail.. Heck, I don't even know what the wife does with them.. I wonder what she's using to start the fires in the fireplace.. 





Chris 


?


?


?




--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Archie Stafford &lt;astafford at swtexas.net&gt; wrote:


From: Archie Stafford &lt;astafford at swtexas.net&gt;

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor

To: "'General pattern discussion'" &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;

Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:31 PM











?


Any idea when this will be online?? My wife received the hard copy today, but I?m over here in the sandbox and would like to see it,


?


Arch


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From dwaynenancy at suddenlink.net  Thu Dec  4 18:40:42 2008
From: dwaynenancy at suddenlink.net (Dwayne Brown)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:40:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <6792ef120812041243m7b21d744gc76d32ef0ce64eb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14EA1FD8C0254923A421AB850F8725A9@YoursMine>

My local Wally World does not carry them any more.  Dwayne

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:44 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

Use 2-cell A123 packs.  No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from
a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision - but not
until January!

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy
Scarmardo
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 


The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital

switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe

they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single

battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 

cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's

pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't

recall at the moment.

 

tommy s

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM

 

I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
suggestions on regulators?

Jay Marshall 

 

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From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Thu Dec  4 19:01:13 2008
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:01:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <004201c95654$f74d9c30$e5e8d490$@net>
References: <6792ef120812041243m7b21d744gc76d32ef0ce64eb1@mail.gmail.com><F770C7441F8546CEACBDB148F2871578@jaysdesktop>
	<004201c95654$f74d9c30$e5e8d490$@net>
Message-ID: <8B46A5F2AD9149C3B9B5D143671439A5@davedesktop>

For the JR stuff...I've been running redundant power systems for many years
now..never had a problem with NiXX 5 cell packs unregulated or lipos
regulated to 6.53 volts (Tech Aero Vregs).

 

Regards,

 

Dave Lockhart, Team JR

 

 

 

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie
Stafford
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:12 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

Jay,

 

What servos are you running?  If you are flying Futaba, ALL of their servos
will work fine on 6.1V or higher.  They recommend 4.8 on some of their heli
servos as the Gyro only runs on 4.8, but all of their digitals will work,
including the heli ones on 6.1V or a little higher.  I personally regulate
all my stuff to 6.5V and never had a problem with any of them,

 

Any other brands I can't speak for.

 

Arch

Team Futaba

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:35 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

I would still need regulators to keep a bad pack/wiring/switch from taking
down the whole system; this is the real reason for a dual battery setup. In
addition, I think the servos I have selected are only rated at 4.6V.

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:44 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 

Use 2-cell A123 packs.  No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from
a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision - but not
until January!

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy
Scarmardo
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

 


The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital

switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe

they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single

battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 

cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's

pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't

recall at the moment.

 

tommy s

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM

 

I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any
suggestions on regulators?

Jay Marshall 

 

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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 19:06:05 2008
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:06:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <8CB249E8056EF75-2B8-B0F@WEBMAIL-DG02.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <599863.41018.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nothing, just wondering what issue is the one you just received. And then, making a little joke. Maybe you didn't get it.. 

Chris   ?  ?  ?

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com> wrote:
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 7:12 PM


Okay then....What are you implying??










-----Original Message-----

From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>

To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 8:14 pm

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor









Which one just came in the mail? November? December? 

I see the latest online is October.. 



Now that I edit them, I have no idea when they come in the mail.. Heck, I don't even know what the wife does with them.. I wonder what she's using to start the fires in the fireplace.. 





Chris 


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--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Archie Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net> wrote:


From: Archie Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net>

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor

To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:31 PM






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From don.filteau at sasktel.net  Thu Dec  4 19:57:14 2008
From: don.filteau at sasktel.net (Don Filteau)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:57:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric F3a  Batteries
Message-ID: <00a001c95695$ee826a90$400110ac@DON>

Hi People

I am looking at getting an electric motor, but I do not understand what battery I can use.  The  one Speed Controller states: 2 -6 lipo cells and the other states 2-12 lipo cells.  But when I look at batteries it states: 3C or 2C. I think that means cell.  Which controller size should I look at?   What size of packs are people flying in their planes?  Are people hooking up more than one pack?  

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From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Thu Dec  4 20:43:12 2008
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:43:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric F3a  Batteries
In-Reply-To: <00a001c95695$ee826a90$400110ac@DON>
References: <00a001c95695$ee826a90$400110ac@DON>
Message-ID: <E9036AFD60654C228E4B532077EBBFD9@davedesktop>

Don,

 

Some basics -

10s1p 5000 = 10 cell battery pack configured with 10 cells in series
(increases voltage) and capacity of 5000 mah (peak voltage would 42 volts,
for lipos).

10s2p 5000 = 20 cell battery pack configured with groups of 2 cells in
parallel (increases capacity) and 10 groups of 2 in series.  Same capacity
and voltage (using 20 smaller cells of 2500 mah capacity each).

 

The vast majority of F3A planes are using 10s configurations (for maximum
allowable voltage of 42).  Capacity ranges anywhere from about 3850 to 5300
mah, and this is done with 1p, 2p, 3p, and 4p configurations.  Given equal
power levels and flight times, larger capacity packs will provide more
consistent power through the flight and have much longer cycle longevity.
Many time guys will use 2 5s1p5000 packs to fly F3A - they will plug the
packs into the controller in series, so the controller is "seeing" 10s1p
5000.

 

C on the controller is short for Cells (C), and when paired with a number,
it is indicating how many cells in series that the controller can handle.

 

C on the batteries is short for Capacity, and when paired with a number,
generally refers to the rate at which a battery can be charged or
discharged.  A 5000 mah battery rated at 1C charge and 10C discharge could
be charged at a maximum rate of 5000 mah (5 amps) and discharged at a
maximum rate of 50,000 mah (50 amps).  I won't even go into various
discharge ratings - such as average, continuous, peak, burst, etc.  Suffice
to say the lower the discharge rate, the more cycles the pack will likely
see.  Most F3A setups are going to see between 12 and 18C peak current (60
to 90 amps for 5000 mah capacity packs) with average current in flight of
around 6 to 8C (30 to 40 amps).

 

There is a ton of info on the various forums on RCU, RCGroups, etc.

 

Regards,


Dave Lockhart

 

 

 

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Don Filteau
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:57 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric F3a Batteries

 

Hi People

 

I am looking at getting an electric motor, but I do not understand what
battery I can use.  The  one Speed Controller states: 2 -6 lipo cells and
the other states 2-12 lipo cells.  But when I look at batteries it states:
3C or 2C. I think that means cell.  Which controller size should I look at?
What size of packs are people flying in their planes?  Are people hooking up
more than one pack?  

 

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From patterndude at tx.rr.com  Fri Dec  5 04:56:44 2008
From: patterndude at tx.rr.com (Lance Van Nostrand)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:56:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS200S or P ready for pattern?
Message-ID: <6E28A1E4E6F740D99C5D2BA412652816@homer>

I see the OS200-P is now at Tower and claims a bigger carb for "more power" and "better running" than the OS200S.  I was originally thinking of trying the OS200S using the bladder tank setup that we've made work so well for the OS160 but now that the P is available I not so sure.  The engine did not make a big splash in pattern last season.  Was that due to it not being available or some other reason?

What pipe and header is recommended?  Where do you get them (Central only is advertising YS exhaust stacks as far as I can tell). 

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From wgalligan at att.net  Fri Dec  5 05:52:44 2008
From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:52:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <14EA1FD8C0254923A421AB850F8725A9@YoursMine>
References: <14EA1FD8C0254923A421AB850F8725A9@YoursMine>
Message-ID: <9550D86CB14B4167B5D636A2864D0C50@WaynePC>

That's what I have found also... no packs at Wally Mart hear in Texas.
Where can you get the A123 cells from other sources if you want to roll your own?

Wayne Galligan


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dwayne Brown 
  To: 'General pattern discussion' 
  Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator


  My local Wally World does not carry them any more.  Dwayne



  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
  Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:44 PM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator



  Use 2-cell A123 packs.  No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .

  On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

  Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision - but not until January!



  Jay Marshall 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Scarmardo
  Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator



        The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital

        switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe

        they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single

        battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 

        cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's

        pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't

        recall at the moment.



        tommy s

        --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

          From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
          Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
          To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
          Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM



          I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any suggestions on regulators?

          Jay Marshall 



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From rkent58 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 06:05:15 2008
From: rkent58 at gmail.com (Richard Kent)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:05:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric F3a Batteries
In-Reply-To: <00a001c95695$ee826a90$400110ac@DON>
References: <00a001c95695$ee826a90$400110ac@DON>
Message-ID: <aade1de60812050705s31e77f5lc57accceff0e463c@mail.gmail.com>

It appears that you are unfamiliar with electric power systems, so I would
suggest that an electric pattern airplane is probably not the best way to
introduce oneself to electric power. In learning about how to choose,
operate, and maintain the correct battery and ESC for an intended
application, outfitting a smallish foamy or park flyer would be much less
expensive to make a mistake on during the learning process.

Rick

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Don Filteau <don.filteau at sasktel.net>wrote:

>  Hi People
>
> I am looking at getting an electric motor, but I do not understand what
> battery I can use.  The  one Speed Controller states: 2 -6 lipo cells and
> the other states 2-12 lipo cells.  But when I look at batteries it states:
> 3C or 2C. I think that means cell.  Which controller size should I look
> at?   What size of packs are people flying in their planes?  Are people
> hooking up more than one pack?
>
> Thanks Don Filteau
>
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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Fri Dec  5 06:11:37 2008
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:11:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS200S or P ready for pattern?
In-Reply-To: <6E28A1E4E6F740D99C5D2BA412652816@homer>
Message-ID: <942590.16493.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yeah the OS200 has been a big dissappointment to me. There has been a bunch of stuff on RCU but none of it looks good. If anyone has had a?POSITIVE experience with this engine (or the "new" pumped version) in a Pattern plane I'd like to hear about it.
?
John Pavlick

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at tx.rr.com> wrote:

From: Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS200S or P ready for pattern?
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:56 PM





I see the OS200-P is now at Tower and claims a bigger carb for "more power" and "better running" than the OS200S.? I was originally thinking of trying the OS200S using the bladder tank setup that we've made work so well for the OS160 but now that the P is available I not so sure.? The engine did not make a big splash in pattern last season.? Was that due to it not being available or some other reason?
?
What pipe and header is recommended?? Where do you get them (Central only is advertising YS exhaust stacks as far as I can tell). 
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From brian_w_young at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  5 06:30:37 2008
From: brian_w_young at yahoo.com (brian young)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:30:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
References: <14EA1FD8C0254923A421AB850F8725A9@YoursMine>
	<9550D86CB14B4167B5D636A2864D0C50@WaynePC>
Message-ID: <619979.92154.qm@web35203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=PRODSEARCH&txtSearch=a123&Page=1

http://www.hangtimes.com/a123_rx_packs.html




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From: Wayne Galligan <wgalligan at att.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 8:52:42 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator


That's what I have found also... no packs at Wally Mart hear in Texas.
Where can?you get the A123 cells from other sources if you want to roll your own?

Wayne Galligan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dwayne Brown 
To: 'General pattern discussion' 
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator

My local Wally World does not carry them any more.? Dwayne
?
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:44 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
?
Use 2-cell A123 packs.? No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:
Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision ? but not until January!
?
Jay Marshall
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Scarmardo
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
?
The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital
switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe
they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single
battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 
cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's
pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't
recall at the moment.
?
tommy s

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:
From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM
?
I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any suggestions on regulators?
Jay Marshall 
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From wgalligan at att.net  Fri Dec  5 07:00:51 2008
From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:00:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <619979.92154.qm@web35203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <14EA1FD8C0254923A421AB850F8725A9@YoursMine><9550D86CB14B4167B5D636A2864D0C50@WaynePC>
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Message-ID: <F82A1FD6241B4901A997CE49B235482B@WaynePC>

Thanks...   

Wayne

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: brian young 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator


  http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=PRODSEARCH&txtSearch=a123&Page=1

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  From: Wayne Galligan <wgalligan at att.net>
  To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 8:52:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator


  That's what I have found also... no packs at Wally Mart hear in Texas.
  Where can you get the A123 cells from other sources if you want to roll your own?

  Wayne Galligan


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Dwayne Brown 
    To: 'General pattern discussion' 
    Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:40 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator


    My local Wally World does not carry them any more.  Dwayne



    -----Original Message-----
    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
    Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:44 PM
    To: General pattern discussion
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator



    Use 2-cell A123 packs.  No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .

    On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

    Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision ? but not until January!



    Jay Marshall 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Scarmardo
    Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
    To: General pattern discussion
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator



          The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital

          switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe

          they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single

          battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 

          cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's

          pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't

          recall at the moment.



          tommy s

          --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

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            Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
            To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
            Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM



            I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any suggestions on regulators?

            Jay Marshall 



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From jnhiller at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  5 07:43:04 2008
From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:43:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <599863.41018.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPGEBDEDAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>

Chris.
The last K-Factor I received was November.
Jim 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of krishlan fitzsimmons
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:06 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
 
Nothing, just wondering what issue is the one you just received. And then, making a little joke. Maybe you didn't get it..  
Chris 
 
 
 


--- On Thu, 12/4/08, rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com> wrote:
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 7:12 PM
Okay then....What are you implying??
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
Which one just came in the mail? November? December? 
I see the latest online is October.. 

Now that I edit them, I have no idea when they come in the mail.. Heck, I don't even know what the wife does with them.. I wonder what she's using to start the fires in the fireplace..  
Chris 
 
 
 


--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Archie Stafford < astafford at swtexas.net <mailto:astafford at swtexas.net> > wrote:
From: Archie Stafford < astafford at swtexas.net <mailto:astafford at swtexas.net> >
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: "'General pattern discussion'" < nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.n%20%20srca.org> >
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:31 PM
 
Any idea when this will be online?  My wife received the hard copy today, but I?m over here in the sandbox and would like to see it,
 
Arch
 
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From rjdavies at frontiernet.net  Fri Dec  5 08:46:11 2008
From: rjdavies at frontiernet.net (Ron Davies)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:46:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
References: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPGEBDEDAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <02A30A0FF0554E65B801801F9DD0E974@DAVIES>

Jim:

We received the Postage Bill today for the December KFactor.  That means  the December KFactor will be going to the Post Office for mailing next week.  What happens is, once the KFactor is ready for mailing, I receive a email for the estimated cost for mailing.  I send a check to the Printer for the estimated postage.  Once the check is received the Printer will then have the KFactor mailed.  

I do not know the whole process on putting the KFactor online, so I cannot comment.

Ron Davies

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J N Hiller 
  To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com ; General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor


  Chris.

  The last K-Factor I received was November.

  Jim 

   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of krishlan fitzsimmons
  Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:06 PM
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor

   

        Nothing, just wondering what issue is the one you just received. And then, making a little joke. Maybe you didn't get it.. 

        Chris 

         

         

         



        --- On Thu, 12/4/08, rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com> wrote:

        From: rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com>
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
        To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
        Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 7:12 PM


        Okay then....What are you implying??

         

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
        To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
        Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 8:14 pm
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor

              Which one just came in the mail? November? December? 
              I see the latest online is October.. 

              Now that I edit them, I have no idea when they come in the mail.. Heck, I don't even know what the wife does with them.. I wonder what she's using to start the fires in the fireplace.. 

              Chris 

               

               

               



              --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Archie Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net> wrote:

              From: Archie Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net>
              Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
              To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
              Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:31 PM


               

              Any idea when this will be online?  My wife received the hard copy today, but I?m over here in the sandbox and would like to see it,

               

              Arch

               

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From jnhiller at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  5 09:26:23 2008
From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:26:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <02A30A0FF0554E65B801801F9DD0E974@DAVIES>
Message-ID: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPGEBFEDAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>

Thank you for the update, that?s good information.
I didn't recall seeing an answer to Chris' question so I posted. I will be looking forward to the December issue so I can file away another year. I have saved all that I received since the mid 80's when I was district VP.
I can't express how pleased I am with the superb job current and past volunteers have done managing the NSRCA and especially, publishing the K-Factor. It's a big part of what makes the NSRCA special and continued membership a must.
A big Thanks to All
Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron Davies
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:46 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
 
Jim:
 
We received the Postage Bill today for the December KFactor.  That means  the December KFactor will be going to the Post Office for mailing next week.  What happens is, once the KFactor is ready for mailing, I receive a email for the estimated cost for mailing.  I send a check to the Printer for the estimated postage.  Once the check is received the Printer will then have the KFactor mailed.  
 
I do not know the whole process on putting the KFactor online, so I cannot comment.
 
Ron Davies
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: J N Hiller <mailto:jnhiller at earthlink.net>  
To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com <mailto:homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>  ; General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
 
Chris.
The last K-Factor I received was November.
Jim 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of krishlan fitzsimmons
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:06 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
 
Nothing, just wondering what issue is the one you just received. And then, making a little joke. Maybe you didn't get it..  
Chris 
 
 
 


--- On Thu, 12/4/08, rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com> wrote:
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 7:12 PM
Okay then....What are you implying?? 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
Which one just came in the mail? November? December? 
I see the latest online is October.. 

Now that I edit them, I have no idea when they come in the mail.. Heck, I don't even know what the wife does with them.. I wonder what she's using to start the fires in the fireplace..  
Chris 
 
 
 


--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Archie Stafford < astafford at swtexas.net <mailto:astafford at swtexas.net> > wrote:
From: Archie Stafford < astafford at swtexas.net <mailto:astafford at swtexas.net> >
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: "'General pattern discussion'" < nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.n%20%20srca.org> >
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:31 PM
  
Any idea when this will be online?  My wife received the hard copy today, but I?m over here in the sandbox and would like to see it,
 
Arch
 
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Fri Dec  5 09:30:28 2008
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:30:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1/8 inch masking tape
In-Reply-To: <645CCBB5963047FAB197A08DED939426@skunkputer>
References: <645CCBB5963047FAB197A08DED939426@skunkputer>
Message-ID: <F8FEF366-D9F7-4DBC-A752-A6E148B8F12E@socal.rr.com>

Thanks Dave.  I believe it was Great Planes that someone else  
recommended.

Jim O


On Dec 4, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Dave Harmon wrote:

> Hey Jim.....I use 3M fine line and Great Planes E-Z Mask.
> The EM is really flexible and goes around corners and curves a lot  
> better
> them FL.
> Sticks good too...no bleed under.
> http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVPROFIL=&FVSEARCH=e-z+mask&se
> arch=Go
>
>
> Regards
>
> Dave Harmon
> NSRCA 586
> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
> Sperry, Ok.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James  
> Oddino
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:09 PM
> To: NSRCA List
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1/8 inch masking tape
>
> I recently read where someone recommended masking tape that was better
> than 3M.  Can't remember the brand or where I saw it.  Anyone out
> there see it or know what I'm talking about?
>
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  5 09:31:07 2008
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:31:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPGEBDEDAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <608708.80481.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't know anything about the online stuff. I would guess it will be up within a few days of when they come in the mail..

Chris   ?  ?  ?

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net> wrote:
From: J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:41 AM




 
 
 
 
 
 






Chris. 

The last
K-Factor I received was November. 

Jim  

? 

-----Original
Message-----

From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of krishlan fitzsimmons

Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008
8:06 PM

To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FW: November K-Factor

? 


 
  
  Nothing,
  just wondering what issue is the one you just received. And then, making a
  little joke. Maybe you didn't get it..  
  Chris  
  ? 
  ? 
  ? 
  

  

  --- On Thu, 12/4/08, rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com>
  wrote: 
  
  From:
  rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com>

  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor

  To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

  Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 7:12 PM 
  
  Okay then....What are you implying?? 
  ? 
  ? 
  -----Original
  Message-----

  From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>

  To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

  Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 8:14 pm

  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor 
  
  
  
   
    
    Which
    one just came in the mail? November? December? 

    I see the latest online is October.. 

    

    Now that I edit them, I have no idea when they come in the mail.. Heck, I
    don't even know what the wife does with them.. I wonder what she's using to
    start the fires in the fireplace..  
    Chris  
    ? 
    ? 
    ? 
    

    

    --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Archie Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net>
    wrote: 
    
    From: Archie Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net>

    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor

    To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

    Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:31 PM 
    
    ? 
    Any idea when this will be online?? My wife received the
    hard copy today, but I?m over here in the sandbox and would like to see it, 
    ? 
    Arch 
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From pcosky at comcast.net  Fri Dec  5 10:06:05 2008
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:06:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
References: <608708.80481.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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who actually makes the PDF and puts it up?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: krishlan fitzsimmons 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor


        I don't know anything about the online stuff. I would guess it will be up within a few days of when they come in the mail..


        Chris 





        --- On Fri, 12/5/08, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net> wrote:

          From: J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
          Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
          To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
          Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:41 AM


          Chris.

          The last K-Factor I received was November.

          Jim 



          -----Original Message-----
          From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of krishlan fitzsimmons
          Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:06 PM
          To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
          Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor



                Nothing, just wondering what issue is the one you just received. And then, making a little joke. Maybe you didn't get it.. 

                Chris 









                --- On Thu, 12/4/08, rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com> wrote:

                From: rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com>
                Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
                To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
                Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 7:12 PM


                Okay then....What are you implying?? 




                -----Original Message-----
                From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
                To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
                Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 8:14 pm
                Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor

                      Which one just came in the mail? November? December? 
                      I see the latest online is October.. 

                      Now that I edit them, I have no idea when they come in the mail.. Heck, I don't even know what the wife does with them.. I wonder what she's using to start the fires in the fireplace.. 

                      Chris 









                      --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Archie Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net> wrote:

                      From: Archie Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net>
                      Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
                      To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
                      Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:31 PM


                        
                      Any idea when this will be online?  My wife received the hard copy today, but I?m over here in the sandbox and would like to see it,



                      Arch



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From moleski at canisius.edu  Fri Dec  5 10:18:56 2008
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:18:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <608708.80481.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <608708.80481.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49397E93.6010803@canisius.edu>

krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:

> I don't know anything about the online stuff. I would guess it will be
> up within a few days of when they come in the mail..

Derek has been taking care of the online stuff, I think.

					Marty

From moleski at canisius.edu  Fri Dec  5 10:20:38 2008
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:20:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <007e01c9570c$82e79950$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
References: <608708.80481.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<007e01c9570c$82e79950$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
Message-ID: <49397F00.5070108@canisius.edu>

Pete Cosky wrote:

> who actually makes the PDF and puts it up?

My guess is that Chris does the pdf.

I think Derek is taking it from there.  I showed
him how to change the picture on the first page
of nsrca.us a few months ago--that used to be
my contribution to the process.

				Marty

From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  5 10:23:03 2008
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:23:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <007e01c9570c$82e79950$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
Message-ID: <898476.47465.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The Pdf is done by The Northeast Group after I submit everything to them. Then we send the PDF back and forth until Derek, Jon and myself agree that it's all good. This happens the week of the 10th every month as that's when articles are due.. Once we agree, it's sent to print. It seems to take a little while before it's printed. Then I suppose they bill Ron and once paid, they ship them. If you go to the website, it says Marty is the one who uploads the new Kfactors. 

http://www.nsrca.us/tasklist.html

All of the web team deserves a special thanks for all they do for us. They really made a great website for us to enjoy.. 

Chris   ?  ?  ?

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net> wrote:
From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:05 AM

?

 
who actually makes the PDF and puts it 
up?
?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  krishlan fitzsimmons 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  
  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:31 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: 
  November K-Factor
  

  
    
    
      I don't know anything about the online stuff. I would 
        guess it will be up within a few days of when they come in the 
        mail..


        Chris 
        
        ?
        ?
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--- On Fri, 12/5/08, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net> 
        wrote:

        From: 
          J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
Subject: 
          RE: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, 
          "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 
          Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:41 AM


          
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          Chris.
          The last K-Factor I 
          received was November.
          Jim 
          
          ?
          -----Original 
          Message-----
From: 
          nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
          [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of krishlan 
          fitzsimmons
Sent: 
          Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:06 PM
To: 
          nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 
          FW: November K-Factor
          ?
          
            
            
              
                Nothing, 
                just wondering what issue is the one you just received. And 
                then, making a little joke. Maybe you didn't get it.. 
                Chris 
                
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--- 
                On Thu, 12/4/08, 
                rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com> 
                wrote:
                
                From: 
                rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: 
                [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: 
                homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, 
                nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 
                2008, 7:12 PM
                
                Okay then....What are you implying?? 
                ?
                ?
                -----Original 
                Message-----
From: krishlan fitzsimmons 
                <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
To: General pattern 
                discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: 
                Thu, 4 Dec 2008 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: 
                November K-Factor
                
                
                  
                  
                    
                      Which one just came 
                      in the mail? November? December? 
I see the latest 
                      online is October.. 

Now that I edit them, I have 
                      no idea when they come in the mail.. Heck, I don't even 
                      know what the wife does with them.. I wonder what she's 
                      using to start the fires in the fireplace.. 
                      Chris 
                      
                      ?
                      ?
                      ?
                      

--- On 
                      Thu, 12/4/08, Archie 
                      Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net> 
                      wrote:
                      
                      From: Archie 
                      Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net>
Subject: 
                      [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: "'General 
                      pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 
                      Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:31 PM
                      
                      ? 
                      Any idea when this 
                      will be online?? My wife received the hard copy 
                      today, but I?m over here in the sandbox and would like to 
                      see it,
                      ?
                      Arch
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From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 10:37:42 2008
From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:37:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <002501c95670$cb88dd00$629a9700$@net>
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Message-ID: <B3E9BF4C46DB4A3F9D88DEA837CA916E@BENICIA>

I apologize... I forgot to post it.  I have December's that I am going to
post today.  I'll put up November's as well.
 

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie
Stafford
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:31 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor



 

Any idea when this will be online?  My wife received the hard copy today,
but I'm over here in the sandbox and would like to see it,

 

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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  5 10:48:15 2008
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:48:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <B3E9BF4C46DB4A3F9D88DEA837CA916E@BENICIA>
Message-ID: <155180.62002.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Too busy working on that Element I assume.. 

Are you done yet? 

What about now? 

Now? 

Chris   ?  ?  ?

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:37 AM



 
 
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I apologize... I forgot to post it.? I have December's 
that I am going to post today.? I'll put up November's as 
well.
?



From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie 
Stafford
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:31 PM
To: 
'General pattern discussion'
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November 
K-Factor




 ? 
Any idea when this will be online?? My wife received the 
hard copy today, but I?m over here in the sandbox and would like to see 
it, 
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From jaqfly at prodigy.net  Fri Dec  5 10:55:52 2008
From: jaqfly at prodigy.net (Jim Quinn)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:55:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
Message-ID: <985818.66853.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Derek, you're the best!




________________________________
From: Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 2:37:36 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor


I apologize... I forgot to post it.? I have December's that I am going to post today.? I'll put up November's as well.
?


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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie Stafford
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:31 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor


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Any idea when this will be online?? My wife received the hard copy today, but I?m over here in the sandbox and would like to see it,
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From jlkonn at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  5 10:56:30 2008
From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:56:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <155180.62002.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <B3E9BF4C46DB4A3F9D88DEA837CA916E@BENICIA>
	<155180.62002.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU106-W149C2E1870D527BA6486E8CDFE0@phx.gbl>


I heard he was building a helicopter!
JLK



Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:48:13 -0800From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor



Too busy working on that Element I assume.. Are you done yet? What about now? Now? 
Chris 
 
 
 --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-FactorTo: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:37 AM



I apologize... I forgot to post it.  I have December's that I am going to post today.  I'll put up November's as well.
 


From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie StaffordSent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:31 PMTo: 'General pattern discussion'Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor


 
Any idea when this will be online?  My wife received the hard copy today, but I?m over here in the sandbox and would like to see it,
 
Arch
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From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 10:57:09 2008
From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:57:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
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Yup, Derek is doing this...  

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Martin X.
Moleski, SJ
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 11:19 AM
To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor

krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:

> I don't know anything about the online stuff. I would guess it will be 
> up within a few days of when they come in the mail..

Derek has been taking care of the online stuff, I think.

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From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 11:14:28 2008
From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:14:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
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e-l-e-m-e-n-t

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I heard he was building a helicopter!
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:48:13 -0800
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor



Too busy working on that Element I assume..
<http://mail.yimg.com/a/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif> 

Are you done yet? 

What about now? 

Now? 



Chris 
 
 
 


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From: Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:37 AM


I apologize... I forgot to post it.  I have December's that I am going to
post today.  I'll put up November's as well.
 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie
Stafford
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:31 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor



 

Any idea when this will be online?  My wife received the hard copy today,
but I?m over here in the sandbox and would like to see it,

 

Arch

 

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From rickrosinski at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  5 19:32:01 2008
From: rickrosinski at hotmail.com (Rick Rosinski)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:32:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  OS 1.40 RX and accessories for sale
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Hey guys I have the following for sale if you're interested please contact me off list.
 
OS 1.40RX, OS header, ES ESD2C14S9 carbon pipe, Hyde ARIA soft mount, and two (2) extra sets of gaskets.
 
I'm willing to sell as a package or individually
 
$475.00 for all shipped anywere in the continental US
 
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From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 21:09:42 2008
From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 06:09:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] December K-Factor is now posted online
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I've also posted November's issue as well.

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From JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net  Sat Dec  6 05:44:08 2008
From: JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net (Jerry Stebbins)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:44:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Renewal Thanks
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Jim, I have been trying to renew on line for a couple weeks. Al I get after 
I click renew is a half page of instructions,stopped by a scroll bar. I want 
to renew via pay pal. What am I doing wrong?
Jerry
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To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Renewal Thanks


HI,

Thanks to all who have been so good with 2009 renewals. As a thank you to 
all who have renewed and in anticipation of all who will renew please click 
on the link below in honor of all of us using CA.

http://home.comcast.net/~singingman7777/SOY.htm
Thanks,

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From bob at toprudder.com  Sat Dec  6 06:20:39 2008
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:20:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
In-Reply-To: <9550D86CB14B4167B5D636A2864D0C50@WaynePC>
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Did a quick search and found this:
?
http://www.rclipos.com/A123_Cells.htm
?
I was at SEFF this past year and picked up a couple of genuine A123 2 cell 1100mah packs for $12 each. Amazing the deals you get on the last day of the event. :-)
?
Bob R.


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From: Wayne Galligan <wgalligan at att.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 12:52 PM



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That's what I have found also... no packs at Wally Mart hear in Texas.
Where can?you get the A123 cells from other sources if you want to roll your own?
?
Wayne Galligan



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From: Dwayne Brown 
To: 'General pattern discussion' 
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator



My local Wally World does not carry them any more.? Dwayne
?
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:44 PM
To: General pattern discussion
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?
Use 2-cell A123 packs.? No regulator needed. . . You can get the cells from a Black & Decker VPX battery packs for about $20 at Wal-Mart. . .

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:


Thanks for all of the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision ? but not until January!
?
Jay Marshall 
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Scarmardo
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
?





The neatest and best system is by Power Box which makes digital

switches with built in regulators.....simple and trouble free. I believe

they make one that is pre made for double batteries. I have the single

battery switch in my pattern plane and like it very much. The switches 

cannot be turned on or off by accident. I first saw them in CPLR's

pattern ship. Sold by Chief Aircraft and a couple of other places I can't

recall at the moment.

?

tommy s

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Regulator
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:45 AM


?
I plan to use a two battery system on my new plane, probably LiPo. Any suggestions on regulators?

Jay Marshall 
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From precisionaero at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  6 06:24:10 2008
From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:24:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric Motor/ESC/Battery "wizzard"
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I am looking at electrifying some old trainer and 1/2A sized planes.  Is there any website that lets a user calculate the performance of some motor/ESC/Battery/prop combinations?
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From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Sat Dec  6 07:15:32 2008
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:15:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric Motor/ESC/Battery "wizzard"
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 <http://www.neumotors.com/> www.neumotors.com

motor calculator

 

Dave

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:24 AM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric Motor/ESC/Battery "wizzard"

 

I am looking at electrifying some old trainer and 1/2A sized planes.  Is
there any website that lets a user calculate the performance of some
motor/ESC/Battery/prop combinations?

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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  6 18:00:37 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:00:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] My last retract airplane
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From precisionaero at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  7 02:31:17 2008
From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:31:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric Motor/ESC/Battery "wizzard"
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Thanks

From: DaveL322 at comcast.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:13:58 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric Motor/ESC/Battery "wizzard"





www.neumotors.com
motor calculator
 
Dave
 
 




From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael CohenSent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:24 AMTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric Motor/ESC/Battery "wizzard"
 
I am looking at electrifying some old trainer and 1/2A sized planes.  Is there any website that lets a user calculate the performance of some motor/ESC/Battery/prop combinations?



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From flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net  Sun Dec  7 04:40:50 2008
From: flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net (William C. Harden)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:40:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] My last retract airplane
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I'm sure it was a very nice plane; my condolences.  

 

Like you, I no longer own a retract airplane.  Lots of good memories though
and I have a ton of photos that will help me get through it. Sniff.

 

Bill Harden

 

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From patternlady at tds.net  Sun Dec  7 06:07:39 2008
From: patternlady at tds.net (Linda A. Carnes)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:07:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale
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For Sale

Never Flown
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World Models Tai-Ji 2 Meter
This is the Fiberglass over wood model. Original Cost for Plane alone,
2000.00
OS 140 RX EFI
Supra Retracts
Futaba S9550 Servos
Futaba 9CH Synthesized Receiver
 2700.00 With Receiver
2500.00 Without Receiver

Location North Georgia
This is the most beautiful plane ever built.

Linda A. Carnes
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From: patternlady at tds.net (Linda A. Carnes)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:49:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale
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 Yes I can do pictures and I will this afternoon as I am tight for time
right now.

 

Would you like them sent directly?

 

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Any pictures?

 

 





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From: CHV69 at aol.com (CHV69 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:52:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale
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In a message dated 12/7/2008 11:50:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
patternlady at tds.net writes:

Yes I can do  pictures and I will this afternoon as I am tight for time right 
 now. 
Would you like them  sent directly?


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From THERUPMAN at aol.com  Sun Dec  7 08:44:09 2008
From: THERUPMAN at aol.com (THERUPMAN at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:44:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] My last retract airplane
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Roger on the "sniff," Bill.
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From moleski at canisius.edu  Sun Dec  7 08:54:05 2008
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:54:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November K-Factor
In-Reply-To: <898476.47465.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:

> ... If you go to the website, it
> says Marty is the one who uploads the new Kfactors.

> http://www.nsrca.us/tasklist.html

Stupid website!

I've fixed the page to attribute that function to
Derek now.  :o)

> All of the web team deserves a special thanks for all they do for us.
> They really made a great website for us to enjoy..

Thanks for the kind words.

				Marty

From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  7 09:06:10 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:06:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] My last retract airplane
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It was an old Challenge IV, OS 61 RE, Fut 7ch PCM, wasn't being flown--needed a good home--pretty much gave it away...  sniff.
 
RS



From: THERUPMAN at aol.comDate: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:46:01 -0500To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My last retract airplane
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  7 09:13:20 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:13:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] MZ Questions
Message-ID: <BAY128-W47D79114DF17FA626241A0A0FC0@phx.gbl>


At the Swap and Shop, when I mentioned to a guy that I was going after an MZ soon, he mentioned he had one for sale fairly cheap with low time.
Questions: It's on 72 and ALL my stuff is on 50--what does it take to change and/or can it be done?  It's a couple years old and have they been changed/upgraded
since?
 
Thanks in advance,
 
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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Sun Dec  7 10:38:56 2008
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:38:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] MZ Questions
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Rich,
 As far as I know you only need to change the RF module but I don't see anywhere online where you can buy one. Maybe a Team Futaba guy can help out here. It's the same module that's used in a 12Z and 12Fg so that may help you find a good used one somewhere.

There was an upgrade for the stick position "encoders" somewhere along the line. I'm not sure when that was. If you can get the serial number from the guy who has it for sale I bet Tony Stillman (Radio South) could tell you if it needs the update or not. As far as any other updates - I don't know because I only have a 12Z and a 12Fg. Very nice transmitters except that even with Radio South springs, the stick tension cannot be made as high as it is on my 9Z.

John Pavlick
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  To: NSRCA DISCUSSION 
  Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:13 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] MZ Questions


  At the Swap and Shop, when I mentioned to a guy that I was going after an MZ soon, he mentioned he had one for sale fairly cheap with low time.
  Questions: It's on 72 and ALL my stuff is on 50--what does it take to change and/or can it be done?  It's a couple years old and have they been changed/upgraded
  since?
   
  Thanks in advance,
   
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From schale at optonline.net  Sun Dec  7 10:42:35 2008
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:42:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] MZ Questions
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From edbon85 at tds.net  Sun Dec  7 11:58:36 2008
From: edbon85 at tds.net (Ed Miller)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:58:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] MZ Questions
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Richard, 
I have a 14mz, depending on price that I'd sell.  Has the 2 transmitter, transmitter case, it's on 72mhz. It has had the stiffer stick springs from the 9ZAP installed ( not as stiff as the Radio South springs ). Neck strap, Futaba 32mb flash card and I have several G3 receivers if interested.  Not willing to give it away but will sell for a reasonable offer. Getting out of the hobby or at the very least reducing my foot print in it. Ed M.
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  Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:13 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] MZ Questions


  At the Swap and Shop, when I mentioned to a guy that I was going after an MZ soon, he mentioned he had one for sale fairly cheap with low time.
  Questions: It's on 72 and ALL my stuff is on 50--what does it take to change and/or can it be done?  It's a couple years old and have they been changed/upgraded
  since?
   
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From plachance at cox.net  Sun Dec  7 12:07:42 2008
From: plachance at cox.net (Paul LaChance)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:07:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Quiet
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List sure is quiet.  Everyone building new planes for next season?  I have not been able to builkd or do much modelling due to life great many problems, but hope to get back to building and flying again soon.



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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  7 12:18:21 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:18:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] MZ Questions
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Thanks, guys--I'll get the SSN and call Tony...
 
Richard



Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:42:30 -0500From: schale at optonline.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] MZ QuestionsSimple change of the module for 72/50/2.4 etc.  A software update may be needed for the 2.4 update, but it is done by the user.Stuart C.Richard Strickland wrote: 


At the Swap and Shop, when I mentioned to a guy that I was going after an MZ soon, he mentioned he had one for sale fairly cheap with low time.Questions: It's on 72 and ALL my stuff is on 50--what does it take to change and/or can it be done?  It's a couple years old and have they been changed/upgradedsince? Thanks in advance, Richard

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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  7 12:42:38 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:42:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Quiet
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I've been giving the whole deal some thought.  What's my first love in this hobby? Pattern.  What's my second?  Indoor pattern.  So I'm comsolidating my stuff to do that--there simply isn't enough time or energy these days for me to do much of anything else very well in the hobby--so Im focusing on having enough back-ups so I don't get knocked out because one or two things fail during the season.  Plus all the 'toys' do is suck up time, money, and space. 
I can certainly relate to life's great many problems--hope yours are getting better--I'm thinking '09 HAS to be better.....'08 has pretty much sucked...
 
Richard



From: plachance at cox.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:08:13 -0500Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Quiet



List sure is quiet.  Everyone building new planes for next season?  I have not been able to builkd or do much modelling due to life great many problems, but hope to get back to building and flying again soon.
 
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From jonlowe at aol.com  Sun Dec  7 12:59:16 2008
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:59:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Quiet
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We are all in Apopka, FL at theTangerine flying AMA, BPA, and SPA, or 
at least we were until a little bit ago.  Jason, Chip Hyde, Don Szczur, 
Jim Woodward, Ron Ellis, Carlos Silva (Tuny) from Venezuala, etc.  
Should have joined us...


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List sure is quiet.? Everyone building new
planes for next season?? I have not been able to builkd or do much
modelling due to life great many problems, but hope to get back to 
building and
flying again soon.


?


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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Sun Dec  7 13:54:48 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:54:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Past Nats assistance please
Message-ID: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNEEMKCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>

Can you help me fill in the blanks please...


1988				
1st	Chip Hyde	Conquest 4	YS-60	Futaba
2nd	Ivan Kristensen	Summit 3	YS-60	Futaba
3rd				
				
1989				
1st	Chip Hyde	Jekyll 60	YS-61	Futaba
2nd	Ivan Kristensen	Summit 3	YS-61	Futaba
3rd				
				
1990				
1st	Ivan Kristensen	Summit 3	YS-61	Futaba
2nd				
3rd				
				
1991				
1st	Chip Hyde	Jekyll 60	Webra-61	JR
2nd				
3rd				
				
1992				
1st	Dave von Linsowe	USA Star	YS-120AC	Futaba
2nd	Bill Cunningham	Malibu	YS-120AC	Futaba
3rd	Chip Hyde	Jekyll 60	Webra-61	JR
				
1993				
1st	Chip Hyde	Dr Jekyll	OS-120 SC	JR
2nd	von?			
3rd	Bill?			
				
1994				
1st	Chip Hyde	Jekyll 120	YS-120NC	JR
2nd	von?			
3rd	Bill?			



Regards,
Jason
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From jlkonn at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:40:34 2008
From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:40:34 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] More for sale
Message-ID: <BLU106-W4C857429D9D950551848FCDFC0@phx.gbl>


I have a YS 1.40 Sport that I flew on my Focus II for a short while before switching
to a 1.60DZ.  I estimate 3 gallons of CoolPower 30% Heli is all that's been thru it.
I'm asking $300.  I'll pay shipping and insurance to anywhere in the continental US.
Thanks!
John L. Konneker
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From rickrosinski at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:57:02 2008
From: rickrosinski at hotmail.com (Rick Rosinski)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:57:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS 1.40 RX and accessories for sale
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I'm lowering the price of the entire package to $425 shipped anywhere in the US.  

 



From: rickrosinski at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 04:31:58 +0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  OS 1.40 RX and accessories for sale








Hey guys I have the following for sale if you're interested please contact me off list.
 
OS 1.40RX, OS header, ES ESD2C14S9 carbon pipe, Hyde ARIA soft mount, and two (2) extra sets of gaskets.
 
I'm willing to sell as a package or individually
 
$475.00 for all shipped anywere in the continental US
 
Thanks,
 
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From jnhiller at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  7 15:57:47 2008
From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:57:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Past Nats assistance please
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Jason I found some of it:
1992 Matched Model Aviation. I don't have Model Aviation older than 1990.
They may have the detail. I found most in November issues.

1988	3rd	David Von Linsowe							K-Factor
1989	3rd	Dean Koger								K-Factor
1990	2nd	Bill Cunningham	Malibu		YS-120		Futaba		Model Aviation
	3rd	Greg Marsden		Legend II	OS-61		Futaba
1991	2nd	David Von Linsowe	USA Star	YS-120		Futaba		Model Aviation
	3rd	Bill Cunningham	Malibu		YS-120		Futaba
1993	2nd	David Von Linsowe							K-Factor
	3rd	Bill Cunningham
1994	2nd	Tony Frackowiak							K-Factor
	3rd	Bill Cunningham

I hope I got these right, if not someone is sure to correct me.
Jim Hiller

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of JShulman
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:55 PM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Past Nats assistance please

Can you help me fill in the blanks please...


1988
1st     Chip Hyde       Conquest 4      YS-60   Futaba
2nd     Ivan Kristensen Summit 3        YS-60   Futaba
3rd

1989
1st     Chip Hyde       Jekyll 60       YS-61   Futaba
2nd     Ivan Kristensen Summit 3        YS-61   Futaba
3rd

1990
1st     Ivan Kristensen Summit 3        YS-61   Futaba
2nd
3rd

1991
1st     Chip Hyde       Jekyll 60       Webra-61        JR
2nd
3rd

1992
1st     Dave von Linsowe        USA Star        YS-120AC        Futaba
2nd     Bill Cunningham Malibu  YS-120AC        Futaba
3rd     Chip Hyde       Jekyll 60       Webra-61        JR

1993
1st     Chip Hyde       Dr Jekyll       OS-120 SC       JR
2nd     von?
3rd     Bill?

1994
1st     Chip Hyde       Jekyll 120      YS-120NC        JR
2nd     von?
3rd     Bill?



Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From o.kee at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec  7 16:42:14 2008
From: o.kee at sbcglobal.net (Orland Mckee)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:42:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] My last retract airplane
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Message-ID: <244099.20630.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I hav'nt had a retract plane for years.
?
???? Orland

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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] My last retract airplane
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From pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec  7 17:03:31 2008
From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net (Ihncheol Park)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:03:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P
Message-ID: <144094.90003.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

How many of you are going to Wichita, KS for the F3P next weekend?

Also, in F3P, why does the circle (turning) needs to have the plane tilted?
There looks like at least a few differences in flying style?compared to actual pattern.

Other than having to tilt the wing for curcle, is there any other differences that F3P specifically has?

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From vanputte at cox.net  Sun Dec  7 17:04:42 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:04:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Past Nats assistance please
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNEEMKCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
References: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNEEMKCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <53EE8ED9-62FD-4B5F-8C80-DC5CEA053C01@cox.net>

There is some data here:  http://nsrca.us/documents/history/ 
nsrcahistory.pdf

Ron VP

On Dec 7, 2008, at 4:55 PM, JShulman wrote:

> Can you help me fill in the blanks please...
>
>
> 1988				
> 1st	Chip Hyde	Conquest 4	YS-60	Futaba
> 2nd	Ivan Kristensen	Summit 3	YS-60	Futaba
> 3rd				
> 				
> 1989				
> 1st	Chip Hyde	Jekyll 60	YS-61	Futaba
> 2nd	Ivan Kristensen	Summit 3	YS-61	Futaba
> 3rd				
> 				
> 1990				
> 1st	Ivan Kristensen	Summit 3	YS-61	Futaba
> 2nd				
> 3rd				
> 				
> 1991				
> 1st	Chip Hyde	Jekyll 60	Webra-61	JR
> 2nd				
> 3rd				
> 				
> 1992				
> 1st	Dave von Linsowe	USA Star	YS-120AC	Futaba
> 2nd	Bill Cunningham	Malibu	YS-120AC	Futaba
> 3rd	Chip Hyde	Jekyll 60	Webra-61	JR
> 				
> 1993				
> 1st	Chip Hyde	Dr Jekyll	OS-120 SC	JR
> 2nd	von?			
> 3rd	Bill?			
> 				
> 1994				
> 1st	Chip Hyde	Jekyll 120	YS-120NC	JR
> 2nd	von?			
> 3rd	Bill?			
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
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From cahochhalter at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  7 17:39:48 2008
From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com (Charles Hochhalter)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:39:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 09
In-Reply-To: <53EE8ED9-62FD-4B5F-8C80-DC5CEA053C01@cox.net>
Message-ID: <759662.52664.qm@web83207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am interested in the mah used for the sequence and the setup you were running and conditions being flown in...?Thanks in advance..  trying to get ready for next year.?Chuck
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From vanputte at cox.net  Sun Dec  7 17:51:58 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:51:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 09
In-Reply-To: <759662.52664.qm@web83207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <759662.52664.qm@web83207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <600EE18F-1207-4C05-A99E-E0B4087DE874@cox.net>

I just flew my 10 lb, 2 0z World Models Spot On 120 in the Master  
class at the Tangerine contest down in Apopka, FL.  The 2009/2010  
sequence was used.  The Spot On used a Dualsky 2000 watt motor, two  
5S-4500 mah Vampowerpro Platinum packs and a Jeti 90 ESC.  The  
temperature was in the mid 70s.  The setup consumed between 2700 and  
2800 mah.

Ron VP

On Dec 7, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Charles Hochhalter wrote:

> I am interested in the mah used for the sequence and the setup you  
> were running and conditions being flown in... Thanks in advance..  
> trying to get ready for next year. Chuck
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From adriancwong at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  7 20:18:10 2008
From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:18:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Prop re-pitching
Message-ID: <14630723.1228713487744.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Mon Dec  8 06:57:18 2008
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:57:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Prop re-pitching
In-Reply-To: <14630723.1228713487744.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <14630723.1228713487744.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CB2764BA912122-167C-3F6@FWM-M37.sysops.aol.com>

Adrian,


?


There was an article that appeared in one of last year's MA issues that discussed a tool build. It was designed by one of the Stunt fliers who is an engineer. I think that if you found the article and contacted him, he might build one for your needs for larger props.


?


I am trying to figure out an alternate method by which the absolute inclinometer Aero Perfect is used to determine exact angles per prop station. This device is accurate to withing 0.01 degress which is plenty accurate for this purpose. When I perfect the technique, I might write a KF article or?discuss it on RCU, or both


?


MattK










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To: General pattern discussion &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;

Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:18 am

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Prop re-pitching







To all,



I want to re-pitch some of my APC props. Can anyone tell me where I can get a prop pitching tool.



Thanks,



Adrian






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From adriancwong at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  8 10:02:45 2008
From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:02:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Prop re-pitching
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From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net  Mon Dec  8 19:27:46 2008
From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:27:46 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats
Message-ID: <20081208222741.K8AIY.82227.root@Web03>

Does anyone know what week Pattern  will be held at the NATs Next year?  2009

Thanks,

George

From vanputte at cox.net  Mon Dec  8 20:18:07 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:18:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats
In-Reply-To: <20081208222741.K8AIY.82227.root@Web03>
References: <20081208222741.K8AIY.82227.root@Web03>
Message-ID: <CE0AC95C-2396-4B06-97D2-16FB87E31475@cox.net>

This is from the Nats Planning Meeting report:  "The 2009 Precision  
Aerobatics Nats will be held on July 13 ? 17, 2009"

Ron VP


On Dec 8, 2008, at 10:27 PM, <glmiller3 at suddenlink.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know what week Pattern  will be held at the NATs Next  
> year?  2009
>
> Thanks,
>
> George
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From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net  Tue Dec  9 03:02:13 2008
From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:02:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats
In-Reply-To: <CE0AC95C-2396-4B06-97D2-16FB87E31475@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20081209060206.11Z9X.84989.root@Web03>

Thanks, Ron!

george
---- Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote: 

=============
This is from the Nats Planning Meeting report:  "The 2009 Precision  
Aerobatics Nats will be held on July 13 ? 17, 2009"

Ron VP


On Dec 8, 2008, at 10:27 PM, <glmiller3 at suddenlink.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know what week Pattern  will be held at the NATs Next  
> year?  2009
>
> Thanks,
>
> George
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Tue Dec  9 21:29:51 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:29:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
Message-ID: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOENNCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>

Hi all,

We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
like to see included in the software in a controller.

Some things off the top of my head are:

Fixed or Auto end-point options
F3A Brake
Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
3 or 4 timing options
Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
Pro-Box for at the field set-ups

If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me know.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  9 22:05:28 2008
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:05:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOENNCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <388400.24692.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good prices :')

Chris          


--- On Tue, 12/9/08, JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> From: JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
> To: "NSRCA" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 10:27 PM
> Hi all,
> 
> We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new
> motors and would like some feed back from pilots as to what
> you would
> like to see included in the software in a controller.
> 
> Some things off the top of my head are:
> 
> Fixed or Auto end-point options
> F3A Brake
> Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
> 3 or 4 timing options
> Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
> Pro-Box for at the field set-ups
> 
> If you have any other options that you would like to see,
> please let me know.
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
> 
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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 02:07:50 2008
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:07:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOENNCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <275253.88586.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


?Low prices, good warranty and most of all they have to be light in weight. And have all the good programming features and as easy to program?as the CCHV85's. Mike
--- On Wed, 12/10/08, JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

From: JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
To: "NSRCA" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 12:27 AM

Hi all,

We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would
like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
like to see included in the software in a controller.

Some things off the top of my head are:

Fixed or Auto end-point options
F3A Brake
Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
3 or 4 timing options
Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
Pro-Box for at the field set-ups

If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me know.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From js.smith at verizon.net  Wed Dec 10 03:20:12 2008
From: js.smith at verizon.net (Scott Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:20:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOENNCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <0KBN00CY7U9CNJ13@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

Startup low voltage alarm

Not software but...

Mounting tabs (like spin)
Choke (or noise filter) installed on receiver lead

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:28 AM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???

Hi all,

We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would
like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
like to see included in the software in a controller.

Some things off the top of my head are:

Fixed or Auto end-point options
F3A Brake
Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
3 or 4 timing options
Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
Pro-Box for at the field set-ups

If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me
know.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From brian_w_young at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 04:44:54 2008
From: brian_w_young at yahoo.com (brian young)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:44:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
References: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOENNCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <370069.7920.qm@web35205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Accurate data logging max current , min voltage, rpm, 

low V shutdown

2nd the box for at the field programming and reading data

2nd the mounting tabs although? I?use industrial velcro even on the Spins.....preinstalled velcro!!!! 




________________________________
From: JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:27:54 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???

Hi all,

We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
like to see included in the software in a controller.

Some things off the top of my head are:

Fixed or Auto end-point options
F3A Brake
Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
3 or 4 timing options
Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
Pro-Box for at the field set-ups

If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me know.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From schale at optonline.net  Wed Dec 10 06:10:12 2008
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:10:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOENNCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
References: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOENNCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <493FDBC4.3020806@optonline.net>

A brake that can work like the original Jeti controller.  I find that 
more useful than the one in the comp version.
Stuart

JShulman wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
> like to see included in the software in a controller.
>
> Some things off the top of my head are:
>
> Fixed or Auto end-point options
> F3A Brake
> Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
> 3 or 4 timing options
> Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
> Pro-Box for at the field set-ups
>
> If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me know.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
>
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From schale at optonline.net  Wed Dec 10 06:12:05 2008
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:12:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 14 MZ
In-Reply-To: <493C0DB5.6020508@canisius.edu>
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	<493C0DB5.6020508@canisius.edu>
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Did anyone ever get an answer as to what serial number Futaba started 
using the new encoders in their 14MZ?
Thanks,
Stuart C.


From tkeithblack at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 06:37:44 2008
From: tkeithblack at gmail.com (Keith Black)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:37:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOENNCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
References: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOENNCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001201c95adc$5ed71a30$1c854e90$@com>

Better throttle curve control. Currently we have linear and expo, but
neither work that great in my opinion (at least on my Hacker 90
controllers). It seems like often I move my throttle one or two clicks and
the plane surges (especially with really strong batteries). I know it's
possible to adjust this at the transmitter, but given different battery
strengths (remaining charge, strength of pack, etc.) that doesn't do the
trick since one curve will work good at the beginning of the flight, while
battery is peaked, and another is needed later (or with an older battery).
The controller needs to moderate that spike and smooth the transition
through the entire curve regardless of the battery. 

You asked for suggestions. Not sure if or how easy this will be to
accomplish. :-)

Keith Black

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:28 AM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???

Hi all,

We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would
like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
like to see included in the software in a controller.

Some things off the top of my head are:

Fixed or Auto end-point options
F3A Brake
Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
3 or 4 timing options
Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
Pro-Box for at the field set-ups

If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me
know.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Wed Dec 10 07:33:46 2008
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (vicenterc at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:33:46 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
Message-ID: <121020081633.15594.493FEF650001AD9700003CEA22165258060C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net>

What about automatic adjustment for voltage drop so we don't fee any difference in stick position during the whole schedule?

--
Vicente "Vince" Bortone

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Keith Black" <tkeithblack at gmail.com> 

> Better throttle curve control. Currently we have linear and expo, but 
> neither work that great in my opinion (at least on my Hacker 90 
> controllers). It seems like often I move my throttle one or two clicks and 
> the plane surges (especially with really strong batteries). I know it's 
> possible to adjust this at the transmitter, but given different battery 
> strengths (remaining charge, strength of pack, etc.) that doesn't do the 
> trick since one curve will work good at the beginning of the flight, while 
> battery is peaked, and another is needed later (or with an older battery). 
> The controller needs to moderate that spike and smooth the transition 
> through the entire curve regardless of the battery. 
> 
> You asked for suggestions. Not sure if or how easy this will be to 
> accomplish. :-) 
> 
> Keith Black 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:28 AM 
> To: NSRCA 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours??? 
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would 
> like some feed back from pilots as to what you would 
> like to see included in the software in a controller. 
> 
> Some things off the top of my head are: 
> 
> Fixed or Auto end-point options 
> F3A Brake 
> Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments 
> 3 or 4 timing options 
> Thermal and low voltage cut-offs 
> Pro-Box for at the field set-ups 
> 
> If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me 
> know. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Jason 
> www.jasonshulman.com 
> www.shulmanaviation.com 
> www.composite-arf.com 
> 
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 10 08:14:38 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:14:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <0KBN00CY7U9CNJ13@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOEOACPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>

Startup low voltage alarm... for if you grab a discharged battery? Could you explain that more please Scott?

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com 
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Scott Smith
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:20 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???


Startup low voltage alarm

Not software but...

Mounting tabs (like spin)
Choke (or noise filter) installed on receiver lead

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:28 AM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???

Hi all,

We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would
like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
like to see included in the software in a controller.

Some things off the top of my head are:

Fixed or Auto end-point options
F3A Brake
Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
3 or 4 timing options
Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
Pro-Box for at the field set-ups

If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me
know.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 10 08:14:41 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:14:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <275253.88586.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNAEOBCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>

Which features do you like Mike?

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of mike mueller
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:08 AM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in
yours???



         Low prices, good warranty and most of all they have to be light in
weight. And have all the good programming features and as easy to program as
the CCHV85's. Mike
        --- On Wed, 12/10/08, JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

          From: JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
          Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in
yours???
          To: "NSRCA" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
          Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 12:27 AM


Hi all,

We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would
like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
like to see included in the software in a controller.

Some things off the top of my head are:

Fixed or Auto end-point options
F3A Brake
Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
3 or 4 timing options
Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
Pro-Box for at the field set-ups

If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me
know.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 10 08:17:42 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:17:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <493FDBC4.3020806@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNEEOBCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>

I'm sure that can be added, but I found that good for flying a glider with a folding prop. Doesn't do anything for downline braking.
Have you found otherwise, or is that used just to slow the prop on landing?

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:10 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???


A brake that can work like the original Jeti controller.  I find that
more useful than the one in the comp version.
Stuart

JShulman wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
> like to see included in the software in a controller.
>
> Some things off the top of my head are:
>
> Fixed or Auto end-point options
> F3A Brake
> Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
> 3 or 4 timing options
> Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
> Pro-Box for at the field set-ups
>
> If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me know.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
>
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 10 08:18:59 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:18:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOENNCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <BAY128-W2046A3844AF28FEF91FB4A0FB0@phx.gbl>


A circuit breaker/fusing arrangement would be nice--so if the motor goes, it doesn't take the controller with it...
RS> From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:27:54 -0500> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???> > Hi all,> > We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would like some feed back from pilots as to what you would> like to see included in the software in a controller.> > Some things off the top of my head are:> > Fixed or Auto end-point options> F3A Brake> Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments> 3 or 4 timing options> Thermal and low voltage cut-offs> Pro-Box for at the field set-ups> > If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me know.> > Regards,> Jason> www.jasonshulman.com> www.shulmanaviation.com> www.composite-arf.com> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG.> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM> > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 10 08:20:25 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:20:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <001201c95adc$5ed71a30$1c854e90$@com>
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I'm gonna find out if we can put 5 curves in the curve function. Problem is each motor will be different, even in the same brands. I
have different curves (none more than 15% curve) to make them all feel the same. I'll have to find out how 'smart' I can have a
controller made. Not sure I see that happening...

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Keith Black
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:31 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???


Better throttle curve control. Currently we have linear and expo, but
neither work that great in my opinion (at least on my Hacker 90
controllers). It seems like often I move my throttle one or two clicks and
the plane surges (especially with really strong batteries). I know it's
possible to adjust this at the transmitter, but given different battery
strengths (remaining charge, strength of pack, etc.) that doesn't do the
trick since one curve will work good at the beginning of the flight, while
battery is peaked, and another is needed later (or with an older battery).
The controller needs to moderate that spike and smooth the transition
through the entire curve regardless of the battery.

You asked for suggestions. Not sure if or how easy this will be to
accomplish. :-)

Keith Black

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:28 AM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???

Hi all,

We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would
like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
like to see included in the software in a controller.

Some things off the top of my head are:

Fixed or Auto end-point options
F3A Brake
Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
3 or 4 timing options
Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
Pro-Box for at the field set-ups

If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me
know.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From schale at optonline.net  Wed Dec 10 08:38:19 2008
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:38:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 08:46:22 2008
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:46:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
References: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNMEOBCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
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It would be interesting to see a "smart" controller that could adjust the curve related to battery voltage. Probably not cost efficient for you to do though Jason, but maybe someday . 

 
Chris 
 
 
 




________________________________
From: JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:20:57 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???

I'm gonna find out if we can put 5 curves in the curve function. Problem is each motor will be different, even in the same brands. I
have different curves (none more than 15% curve) to make them all feel the same. I'll have to find out how 'smart' I can have a
controller made. Not sure I see that happening...

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Keith Black
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:31 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???


Better throttle curve control. Currently we have linear and expo, but
neither work that great in my opinion (at least on my Hacker 90
controllers). It seems like often I move my throttle one or two clicks and
the plane surges (especially with really strong batteries). I know it's
possible to adjust this at the transmitter, but given different battery
strengths (remaining charge, strength of pack, etc.) that doesn't do the
trick since one curve will work good at the beginning of the flight, while
battery is peaked, and another is needed later (or with an older battery).
The controller needs to moderate that spike and smooth the transition
through the entire curve regardless of the battery.

You asked for suggestions. Not sure if or how easy this will be to
accomplish. :-)

Keith Black

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:28 AM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???

Hi all,

We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would
like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
like to see included in the software in a controller.

Some things off the top of my head are:

Fixed or Auto end-point options
F3A Brake
Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
3 or 4 timing options
Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
Pro-Box for at the field set-ups

If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me
know.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 10 08:55:22 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:55:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <D6775DC945F6434997D743DADDB7E771@RICHARDS>
References: <D6775DC945F6434997D743DADDB7E771@RICHARDS>
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This is all I got out of Futaba--not very satisfying...probably need to call   
RS
 From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:06 AM> To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com> Subject: Re: !4 MZ modifications> > > Dear Valued Customer:> > Thank you for your Email.> > There isn't a list of serial numbers and "modifications" to the 14MZ> transmitter. If people have had a bad touch screen, then it was> replaced...it would depend upon how old the unit was if the warranty covered> it or not. The same with stick encoders. Some people had them wear> prematurely, and so they were replaced. There wasn't a broad changeover,> and there are original units with zero difficulties in either part, so> they've not been replaced.> > The main thing would be if the owner kept up with software updates, but> that's trivial because the most-current software is available for download,> and that includes all prior updates along with the full software for the> transmitter. Updating the software will not remove any programming done by> the modeler.> > We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any further> questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this email> address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any future> questions.)> > DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently asked> questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the> information helpful and valuable to you.> > Sincerely,> > Futaba Service Center North America> 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1> Champaign IL 61822> USA> > Phone: (217) 398-0007> Fax: (217) 398-7721> Email: service at futaba-rc.com> Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html> > >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com> 12/10/2008 10:36 AM> >>>> Hi Guys,> > As the MZ ages, some radios are getting sold/traded and decisions on what to> pay are made on how current they are, usage and condition.> I would think there would be a list of modifications by date and serial> number. Can you provide it to me? This came up on the NSRCA list in> response to a> query I made regarding some of the radios that have been out there a while.> I was at a swap and shop over the weekend and a guy asked why I was selling> so much stuff and my response was that I was saving up for an MZ. He had> one he was thinking about selling and so I asked the list and Tony Stillman> about particulars regarding stuff I should look for--particularly since all> my stuff is on 50--the ham band--mostly 07--'cept at the Nats where I have> to use 04. I understand the pots/encoders were changed along with a new> screen type--but we would all like to know serial numbers and what was and> when they were done--plus any other mods.> > I have been a Futaba fan since your first PCM, flew with Steve Helms in his> heyday and still hit a few contests a year in FAI. I came to the conclusion> I was going to wait to purchase a new set on 50, can justify it with some of> the features--I'm getting older--but ain't dead--but might also like to pick> up a back-up if the price was right.> > This is a serious inquiry. I know there are several guys interested in this> information.> > Thank you in advance,> > Richard B. Strickland> 8732 Rosewood Dr.> Prairie Village> KS 66207> > 913-381-3519 h> 816-225-3801 c> 816-471-5505 w> 800-279-7037 w> > 
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Wed Dec 10 09:07:04 2008
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:07:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W5638194431AC46FBF67BDCA0FB0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6775DC945F6434997D743DADDB7E771@RICHARDS>
	<BAY128-W5638194431AC46FBF67BDCA0FB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <838F25B2026249908648A84ACB94D63B@Tony>

Well, that pretty much is the story however.  If I was going to buy a used
TX, I would definitely want to know the service history.  If these items
were not changed, chances are they will not cover them under warranty for a
2nd owner.

 

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:55 PM
To: NSRCA DISCUSSION
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications

 

This is all I got out of Futaba--not very satisfying...probably need to call

RS

 From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:06 AM
> To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com
> Subject: Re: !4 MZ modifications
> 
> 
> Dear Valued Customer:
> 
> Thank you for your Email.
> 
> There isn't a list of serial numbers and "modifications" to the 14MZ
> transmitter. If people have had a bad touch screen, then it was
> replaced...it would depend upon how old the unit was if the warranty
covered
> it or not. The same with stick encoders. Some people had them wear
> prematurely, and so they were replaced. There wasn't a broad changeover,
> and there are original units with zero difficulties in either part, so
> they've not been replaced.
> 
> The main thing would be if the owner kept up with software updates, but
> that's trivial because the most-current software is available for
download,
> and that includes all prior updates along with the full software for the
> transmitter. Updating the software will not remove any programming done by
> the modeler.
> 
> We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any further
> questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this email
> address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any future
> questions.)
> 
> DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently asked
> questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the
> information helpful and valuable to you.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Futaba Service Center North America
> 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1
> Champaign IL 61822
> USA
> 
> Phone: (217) 398-0007
> Fax: (217) 398-7721
> Email: service at futaba-rc.com
> Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html
> 
> >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com> 12/10/2008 10:36
AM
> >>>
> Hi Guys,
> 
> As the MZ ages, some radios are getting sold/traded and decisions on what
to
> pay are made on how current they are, usage and condition.
> I would think there would be a list of modifications by date and serial
> number. Can you provide it to me? This came up on the NSRCA list in
> response to a
> query I made regarding some of the radios that have been out there a
while.
> I was at a swap and shop over the weekend and a guy asked why I was
selling
> so much stuff and my response was that I was saving up for an MZ. He had
> one he was thinking about selling and so I asked the list and Tony
Stillman
> about particulars regarding stuff I should look for--particularly since
all
> my stuff is on 50--the ham band--mostly 07--'cept at the Nats where I have
> to use 04. I understand the pots/encoders were changed along with a new
> screen type--but we would all like to know serial numbers and what was and
> when they were done--plus any other mods.
> 
> I have been a Futaba fan since your first PCM, flew with Steve Helms in
his
> heyday and still hit a few contests a year in FAI. I came to the
conclusion
> I was going to wait to purchase a new set on 50, can justify it with some
of
> the features--I'm getting older--but ain't dead--but might also like to
pick
> up a back-up if the price was right.
> 
> This is a serious inquiry. I know there are several guys interested in
this
> information.
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> 
> Richard B. Strickland
> 8732 Rosewood Dr.
> Prairie Village
> KS 66207
> 
> 913-381-3519 h
> 816-225-3801 c
> 816-471-5505 w
> 800-279-7037 w
> 
> 



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From rob at koolsoft.com  Wed Dec 10 09:19:48 2008
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:19:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <838F25B2026249908648A84ACB94D63B@Tony>
References: <D6775DC945F6434997D743DADDB7E771@RICHARDS><BAY128-W5638194431AC46FBF67BDCA0FB0@phx.gbl>
	<838F25B2026249908648A84ACB94D63B@Tony>
Message-ID: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD5DE@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>

 I am a 2nd owner of a 12Z and they just replace the encoders free of
charge.  I did send it in for a 2 year checkup and that was $87.00, but
no extra charge for the encoder changeout.

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

-

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:07 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications

 

Well, that pretty much is the story however.  If I was going to buy a
used TX, I would definitely want to know the service history.  If these
items were not changed, chances are they will not cover them under
warranty for a 2nd owner.

 

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

________________________________

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:55 PM
To: NSRCA DISCUSSION
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications

 

This is all I got out of Futaba--not very satisfying...probably need to
call   
RS

 From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:06 AM
> To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com
> Subject: Re: !4 MZ modifications
> 
> 
> Dear Valued Customer:
> 
> Thank you for your Email.
> 
> There isn't a list of serial numbers and "modifications" to the 14MZ
> transmitter. If people have had a bad touch screen, then it was
> replaced...it would depend upon how old the unit was if the warranty
covered
> it or not. The same with stick encoders. Some people had them wear
> prematurely, and so they were replaced. There wasn't a broad
changeover,
> and there are original units with zero difficulties in either part, so
> they've not been replaced.
> 
> The main thing would be if the owner kept up with software updates,
but
> that's trivial because the most-current software is available for
download,
> and that includes all prior updates along with the full software for
the
> transmitter. Updating the software will not remove any programming
done by
> the modeler.
> 
> We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any further
> questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this
email
> address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any future
> questions.)
> 
> DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently
asked
> questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the
> information helpful and valuable to you.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Futaba Service Center North America
> 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1
> Champaign IL 61822
> USA
> 
> Phone: (217) 398-0007
> Fax: (217) 398-7721
> Email: service at futaba-rc.com
> Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html
> 
> >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com> 12/10/2008
10:36 AM
> >>>
> Hi Guys,
> 
> As the MZ ages, some radios are getting sold/traded and decisions on
what to
> pay are made on how current they are, usage and condition.
> I would think there would be a list of modifications by date and
serial
> number. Can you provide it to me? This came up on the NSRCA list in
> response to a
> query I made regarding some of the radios that have been out there a
while.
> I was at a swap and shop over the weekend and a guy asked why I was
selling
> so much stuff and my response was that I was saving up for an MZ. He
had
> one he was thinking about selling and so I asked the list and Tony
Stillman
> about particulars regarding stuff I should look for--particularly
since all
> my stuff is on 50--the ham band--mostly 07--'cept at the Nats where I
have
> to use 04. I understand the pots/encoders were changed along with a
new
> screen type--but we would all like to know serial numbers and what was
and
> when they were done--plus any other mods.
> 
> I have been a Futaba fan since your first PCM, flew with Steve Helms
in his
> heyday and still hit a few contests a year in FAI. I came to the
conclusion
> I was going to wait to purchase a new set on 50, can justify it with
some of
> the features--I'm getting older--but ain't dead--but might also like
to pick
> up a back-up if the price was right.
> 
> This is a serious inquiry. I know there are several guys interested in
this
> information.
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> 
> Richard B. Strickland
> 8732 Rosewood Dr.
> Prairie Village
> KS 66207
> 
> 913-381-3519 h
> 816-225-3801 c
> 816-471-5505 w
> 800-279-7037 w
> 
> 

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From bob at toprudder.com  Wed Dec 10 09:32:02 2008
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:32:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOENNCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <437160.97563.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

Well, I have not flown any electric planes in pattern competition (yet) but I have flown a lot of small electrics. The one thing that sticks out at me in your list is the auto/fixed end points. I highly prefer fixed endpoints. I've had problems before when full throttle ended up not being full throttle on a controller that had auto endpoints.
?
Bob R.


--- On Wed, 12/10/08, JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

Hi all,

We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would
like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
like to see included in the software in a controller.

Some things off the top of my head are:

Fixed or Auto end-point options
F3A Brake
Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
3 or 4 timing options
Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
Pro-Box for at the field set-ups

If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me know.

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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Wed Dec 10 10:03:54 2008
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:03:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD5DE@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
References: <D6775DC945F6434997D743DADDB7E771@RICHARDS><BAY128-W5638194431AC46FBF67BDCA0FB0@phx.gbl><838F25B2026249908648A84ACB94D63B@Tony>
	<F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD5DE@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0DD9BE905FE4663B993A3EBDA4F841D@Tony>

That is good news..  I would hope that that would be the case.  I would
guess that it would be on an individual basis.

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Beaubien
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:20 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications

 

 I am a 2nd owner of a 12Z and they just replace the encoders free of
charge.  I did send it in for a 2 year checkup and that was $87.00, but no
extra charge for the encoder changeout.

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

-

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:07 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications

 

Well, that pretty much is the story however.  If I was going to buy a used
TX, I would definitely want to know the service history.  If these items
were not changed, chances are they will not cover them under warranty for a
2nd owner.

 

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:55 PM
To: NSRCA DISCUSSION
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications

 

This is all I got out of Futaba--not very satisfying...probably need to call

RS

 From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:06 AM
> To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com
> Subject: Re: !4 MZ modifications
> 
> 
> Dear Valued Customer:
> 
> Thank you for your Email.
> 
> There isn't a list of serial numbers and "modifications" to the 14MZ
> transmitter. If people have had a bad touch screen, then it was
> replaced...it would depend upon how old the unit was if the warranty
covered
> it or not. The same with stick encoders. Some people had them wear
> prematurely, and so they were replaced. There wasn't a broad changeover,
> and there are original units with zero difficulties in either part, so
> they've not been replaced.
> 
> The main thing would be if the owner kept up with software updates, but
> that's trivial because the most-current software is available for
download,
> and that includes all prior updates along with the full software for the
> transmitter. Updating the software will not remove any programming done by
> the modeler.
> 
> We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any further
> questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this email
> address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any future
> questions.)
> 
> DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently asked
> questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the
> information helpful and valuable to you.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Futaba Service Center North America
> 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1
> Champaign IL 61822
> USA
> 
> Phone: (217) 398-0007
> Fax: (217) 398-7721
> Email: service at futaba-rc.com
> Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html
> 
> >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com> 12/10/2008 10:36
AM
> >>>
> Hi Guys,
> 
> As the MZ ages, some radios are getting sold/traded and decisions on what
to
> pay are made on how current they are, usage and condition.
> I would think there would be a list of modifications by date and serial
> number. Can you provide it to me? This came up on the NSRCA list in
> response to a
> query I made regarding some of the radios that have been out there a
while.
> I was at a swap and shop over the weekend and a guy asked why I was
selling
> so much stuff and my response was that I was saving up for an MZ. He had
> one he was thinking about selling and so I asked the list and Tony
Stillman
> about particulars regarding stuff I should look for--particularly since
all
> my stuff is on 50--the ham band--mostly 07--'cept at the Nats where I have
> to use 04. I understand the pots/encoders were changed along with a new
> screen type--but we would all like to know serial numbers and what was and
> when they were done--plus any other mods.
> 
> I have been a Futaba fan since your first PCM, flew with Steve Helms in
his
> heyday and still hit a few contests a year in FAI. I came to the
conclusion
> I was going to wait to purchase a new set on 50, can justify it with some
of
> the features--I'm getting older--but ain't dead--but might also like to
pick
> up a back-up if the price was right.
> 
> This is a serious inquiry. I know there are several guys interested in
this
> information.
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> 
> Richard B. Strickland
> 8732 Rosewood Dr.
> Prairie Village
> KS 66207
> 
> 913-381-3519 h
> 816-225-3801 c
> 816-471-5505 w
> 800-279-7037 w
> 
> 

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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Wed Dec 10 10:36:47 2008
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:36:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <121020081633.15594.493FEF650001AD9700003CEA22165258060C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <423373.40128.qm@web80504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well if you really?MUST have that feature?then you'll just?have to switch back to a glow engine! LOL
?
Seriously though?I never really thought of that?since I've?only flown small electrics. I guess nothing is perfect after all. :) There are ways to deal with this but none of them are very pretty. Unless you can do something tricky?in the speed controller firmware. I wonder why no one has tried anything like this yet.
?
John Pavlick

--- On Wed, 12/10/08, vicenterc at comcast.net <vicenterc at comcast.net> wrote:

From: vicenterc at comcast.net <vicenterc at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 4:33 PM



What about automatic adjustment for voltage drop so we don't fee any difference in stick position during the whole schedule?
?
--
Vicente "Vince" Bortone
?
-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Keith Black" <tkeithblack at gmail.com> 

> Better throttle curve control. Currently we have linear and expo, but 
> neither work that great in my opinion (at least on my Hacker 90 
> controllers). It seems like often I move my throttle one or two clicks and 
> the plane surges (especially with really strong batteries). I know it's 
> possible to adjust this at the transmitter, but given different battery 
> strengths (remaining charge, strength of pack, etc.) that doesn't do the 
> trick since one curve will work good at the beginning of the flight, while 
> battery is peaked, and another is needed later (or with an older battery). 
> The controller needs to moderate that spike and smooth the transition 
> through the entire curve regardless of the battery. 
> 
&g t; You asked for suggestions. Not sure if or how easy this will be to 
> accomplish. :-) 
> 
> Keith Black 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:28 AM 
> To: NSRCA 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours??? 
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would 
> like some feed back from pilots as to what you would 
> like to see included in the software in a controller. 
> 
> Some things off the top of my head are: 
> 
> Fixed or Auto end-point options 
> F3A Brake 
> Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments 
> 3 or 4 timing options 
> Thermal and low voltage cut-offs 
> Pro-Box for at the field set-u ps 
> 
> If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me 
> know. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Jason 
> www.jasonshulman.com 
> www.shulmanaviation.com 
> www.composite-arf.com 
> 
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From tkeithblack at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 11:40:27 2008
From: tkeithblack at gmail.com (Keith Black)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:40:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <121020081633.15594.493FEF650001AD9700003CEA22165258060C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net>
References: <121020081633.15594.493FEF650001AD9700003CEA22165258060C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net>
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This actually should be pretty straight forward. When the battery is
connected if the voltage is lower than X (set by user, say 40 volts), an
alarm goes off (beep beep beep) and you have to pump the throttle stick (or
something like that) to stop the alarm.  This is really a good idea Vince!

 

Keith Black

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
vicenterc at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:34 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in
yours???

 

What about automatic adjustment for voltage drop so we don't fee any
difference in stick position during the whole schedule?

 

--
Vicente "Vince" Bortone

 

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Keith Black" <tkeithblack at gmail.com> 

> Better throttle curve control. Currently we have linear and expo, but 
> neither work that great in my opinion (at least on my Hacker 90 
> controllers). It seems like often I move my throttle one or two clicks and

> the plane surges (especially with really strong batteries). I know it's 
> possible to adjust this at the transmitter, but given different battery 
> strengths (remaining charge, strength of pack, etc.) that doesn't do the 
> trick since one curve will work good at the beginning of the flight, while

> battery is peaked, and another is needed later (or with an older battery).

> The controller needs to moderate that spike and smooth the transition 
> through the entire curve regardless of the battery. 
> 
&g t; You asked for suggestions. Not sure if or how easy this will be to 
> accomplish. :-) 
> 
> Keith Black 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:28 AM 
> To: NSRCA 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours??? 
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and
would 
> like some feed back from pilots as to what you would 
> like to see included in the software in a controller. 
> 
> Some things off the top of my head are: 
> 
> Fixed or Auto end-point options 
> F3A Brake 
> Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments 
> 3 or 4 timing options 
> Thermal and low voltage cut-offs 
> Pro-Box for at the field set-u ps 
> 
> If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me 
> know. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Jason 
> www.jasonshulman.com 
> www.shulmanaviation.com 
> www.composite-arf.com 
> 
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 10 11:56:24 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:56:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <F0DD9BE905FE4663B993A3EBDA4F841D@Tony>
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Actually the best news is that they are all essentially the same and then your decision to buy would strictly be on age, usage, and condition.  It would stand to reason that for equal money, one that had a 3D guy at the controls would wear it out faster than the pattern guy--depending on flight time, of course.
RS



From: tony at radiosouthrc.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:03:49 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications







That is good news?.  I would hope that that would be the case.  I would guess that it would be on an individual basis.
 

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com




From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Robert L. BeaubienSent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:20 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
 
 I am a 2nd owner of a 12Z and they just replace the encoders free of charge.  I did send it in for a 2 year checkup and that was $87.00, but no extra charge for the encoder changeout.
 

- Robert Beaubien
- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster
-
 


From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of TonySent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:07 AMTo: 'General pattern discussion'Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
 
Well, that pretty much is the story however.  If I was going to buy a used TX, I would definitely want to know the service history.  If these items were not changed, chances are they will not cover them under warranty for a 2nd owner.
 
 
 

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com




From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard StricklandSent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:55 PMTo: NSRCA DISCUSSIONSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
 
This is all I got out of Futaba--not very satisfying...probably need to call   RS From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:06 AM> To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com> Subject: Re: !4 MZ modifications> > > Dear Valued Customer:> > Thank you for your Email.> > There isn't a list of serial numbers and "modifications" to the 14MZ> transmitter. If people have had a bad touch screen, then it was> replaced...it would depend upon how old the unit was if the warranty covered> it or not. The same with stick encoders. Some people had them wear> prematurely, and so they were replaced. There wasn't a broad changeover,> and there are original units with zero difficulties in either part, so> they've not been replaced.> > The main thing would be if the owner kept up with software updates, but> that's trivial because the most-current software is available for download,> and that includes all prior updates along with the full software for the> transmitter. Updating the software will not remove any programming done by> the modeler.> > We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any further> questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this email> address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any future> questions.)> > DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently asked> questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the> information helpful and valuable to you.> > Sincerely,> > Futaba Service Center North America> 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1> Champaign IL 61822> USA> > Phone: (217) 398-0007> Fax: (217) 398-7721> Email: service at futaba-rc.com> Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html> > >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com> 12/10/2008 10:36 AM> >>>> Hi Guys,> > As the MZ ages, some radios are getting sold/traded and decisions on what to> pay are made on how current they are, usage and condition.> I would think there would be a list of modifications by date and serial> number. Can you provide it to me? This came up on the NSRCA list in> response to a> query I made regarding some of the radios that have been out there a while.> I was at a swap and shop over the weekend and a guy asked why I was selling> so much stuff and my response was that I was saving up for an MZ. He had> one he was thinking about selling and so I asked the list and Tony Stillman> about particulars regarding stuff I should look for--particularly since all> my stuff is on 50--the ham band--mostly 07--'cept at the Nats where I have> to use 04. I understand the pots/encoders were changed along with a new> screen type--but we would all like to know serial numbers and what was and> when they were done--plus any other mods.> > I have been a Futaba fan since your first PCM, flew with Steve Helms in his> heyday and still hit a few contests a year in FAI. I came to the conclusion> I was going to wait to purchase a new set on 50, can justify it with some of> the features--I'm getting older--but ain't dead--but might also like to pick> up a back-up if the price was right.> > This is a serious inquiry. I know there are several guys interested in this> information.> > Thank you in advance,> > Richard B. Strickland> 8732 Rosewood Dr.> Prairie Village> KS 66207> > 913-381-3519 h> 816-225-3801 c> 816-471-5505 w> 800-279-7037 w> > 



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From schale at optonline.net  Wed Dec 10 12:05:03 2008
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:05:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
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From bob at toprudder.com  Wed Dec 10 12:55:57 2008
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:55:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
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Oh, one feature I would REALLY love to see (not just on F3A) is a feature where you program the max current. The controller will not let the current go over that amount. Would be good for planes that over-amp in a static situation, but unload to a lower level in the air.


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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Wed Dec 10 13:11:22 2008
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (vicenterc at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:11:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
Message-ID: <121020082211.29191.49403E86000B559B0000720722120207840C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net>

Keith,

I think this could be completely automatic.  I don't know how to do it but I am sure that someone can figure this out.  This could built in the controller.  Probably measuring voltage, throttle position and rpm of motor.

--
Vicente "Vince" Bortone

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Keith Black" <tkeithblack at gmail.com> 

This actually should be pretty straight forward. When the battery is connected if the voltage is lower than X (set by user, say 40 volts), an alarm goes off (beep beep beep) and you have to pump the throttle stick (or something like that) to stop the alarm.  This is really a good idea Vince!
 
Keith Black
 
 
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:34 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
 
What about automatic adjustment for voltage drop so we don't fee any difference in stick position during the whole schedule?
 
--
Vicente "Vince" Bortone
 
-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Keith Black" <tkeithblack at gmail.com> 

> Better throttle curve control. Currently we have linear and expo, but 
> neither work that great in my opinion (at least on my Hacker 90 
> controllers). It seems like often I move my throttle one or two clicks and 
> the plane surges (especially with really strong batteries). I know it's 
> possible to adjust this at the transmitter, but given different battery 
> strengths (remaining charge, strength of pack, etc.) that doesn't do the 
> trick since one curve will work good at the beginning of the flight, while 
> battery is peaked, and another is needed later (or with an older battery). 
> The controller needs to moderate that spike and smooth the transition 
> through the entire curve regardless of the battery. 
> 
&g t; You asked for suggestions. Not sure if or how easy this will be to 
> accomplish. :-) 
> 
> Keith Black 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:28 AM 
> To: NSRCA 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours??? 
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would 
> like some feed back from pilots as to what you would 
> like to see included in the software in a controller. 
> 
> Some things off the top of my head are: 
> 
> Fixed or Auto end-point options 
> F3A Brake 
> Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments 
> 3 or 4 timing options 
> Thermal and low voltage cut-offs 
> Pro-Box for at the field set-u ps 
> 
> If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me 
> know. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Jason 
> www.jasonshulman.com 
> www.shulmanaviation.com 
> www.composite-arf.com 
> 
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From js.smith at verizon.net  Wed Dec 10 13:53:38 2008
From: js.smith at verizon.net (Scott Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:53:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNOEOACPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <0KBO00GZVNKZBKA0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

No need to...you nailed it!  

My HV85 incorrectly beeps eleven times when the battery is 42v.  I rely on
that to not fly a discharged battery.


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:15 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in
yours???

Startup low voltage alarm... for if you grab a discharged battery? Could you
explain that more please Scott?

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com 
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Scott Smith
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:20 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in
yours???


Startup low voltage alarm

Not software but...

Mounting tabs (like spin)
Choke (or noise filter) installed on receiver lead

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:28 AM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???

Hi all,

We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would
like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
like to see included in the software in a controller.

Some things off the top of my head are:

Fixed or Auto end-point options
F3A Brake
Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
3 or 4 timing options
Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
Pro-Box for at the field set-ups

If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me
know.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 10 14:17:26 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:17:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <0KBO00GZVNKZBKA0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNAEOHCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>

OK, just making sure that's what you meant. Have that on the list.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com 
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Scott Smith
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:53 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???


No need to...you nailed it!  

My HV85 incorrectly beeps eleven times when the battery is 42v.  I rely on
that to not fly a discharged battery.


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:15 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in
yours???

Startup low voltage alarm... for if you grab a discharged battery? Could you
explain that more please Scott?

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com 
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Scott Smith
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:20 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in
yours???


Startup low voltage alarm

Not software but...

Mounting tabs (like spin)
Choke (or noise filter) installed on receiver lead

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:28 AM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???

Hi all,

We (SA) are looking to have a new controllers with our new motors and would
like some feed back from pilots as to what you would
like to see included in the software in a controller.

Some things off the top of my head are:

Fixed or Auto end-point options
F3A Brake
Timing adjustable by 1-degree increments
3 or 4 timing options
Thermal and low voltage cut-offs
Pro-Box for at the field set-ups

If you have any other options that you would like to see, please let me
know.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From js.smith at verizon.net  Wed Dec 10 14:29:20 2008
From: js.smith at verizon.net (Scott Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:29:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 10S Packs
In-Reply-To: <0KBO00GZVNKZBKA0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <0KBO00IC8P6LHOK0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>

I just got off the phone with Thunder Power and they stated they are no
longer shipping 10S packs as the voltage is too high for the current
shipping regulations.  Bummer!  Now I have to get creative and figure out a
mount for both the bricks and twin 5300's. 



From chadnortheast at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 10 14:32:17 2008
From: chadnortheast at shaw.ca (Chad Northeast)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:32:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <74029.9177.qm@web1108.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
References: <423373.40128.qm@web80504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<74029.9177.qm@web1108.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
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The Schulze controllers have always had that feature :-)

Chad

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

> Oh, one feature I would REALLY love to see (not just on F3A) is 
> a feature where you program the max current. The controller will 
> not let the current go over that amount. Would be good for 
> planes that over-amp in a static situation, but unload to a 
> lower level in the air.
> 
> 
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Wed Dec 10 15:42:34 2008
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:42:34 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alex Shim's Element with DZ 170
Message-ID: <3731DB89-23D7-49BC-AB8E-2C20375F32BD@socal.rr.com>

Seen at Sepulveda Basin today.  Alex promised to bring the wing  
tomorrow.  By the way the weather was perfect and the crowd was  
small.  We took turns flying and had no mid-airs.

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:48:40 -0000
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From bob at toprudder.com  Wed Dec 10 17:33:15 2008
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:33:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <ce9c8fd443e5.493fef0f@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <208003.3416.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

Cool, I may have to try one out. Thanks.
?
Bob R.


--- On Wed, 12/10/08, Chad Northeast <chadnortheast at shaw.ca> wrote:



The Schulze controllers have always had that feature :-)
?
Chad

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

> Oh, one feature I would REALLY love to see (not just on F3A) is 
> a feature where you program the max current. The controller will 
> not let the current go over that amount. Would be good for 
> planes that over-amp in a static situation, but unload to a 
> lower level in the air.
> 
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Wed Dec 10 19:56:44 2008
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:56:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in yours???
In-Reply-To: <208003.3416.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
References: <208003.3416.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
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Hey Bob,

Over-Amp?  You didn't learn that from me.  Must be ACC talk.

Your VERY OLD friend, Jim


On Dec 10, 2008, at 6:33 PM, Bob Richards wrote:

> Cool, I may have to try one out. Thanks.
>
> Bob R.
>
>
> --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Chad Northeast <chadnortheast at shaw.ca> wrote:
> The Schulze controllers have always had that feature :-)
>
> Chad
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:56 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Controller... what would you want in  
> yours???
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> > Oh, one feature I would REALLY love to see (not just on F3A) is
> > a feature where you program the max current. The controller will
> > not let the current go over that amount. Would be good for
> > planes that over-amp in a static situation, but unload to a
> > lower level in the air.
> >
> >
> >
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 10 21:46:48 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:46:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Astro watt meter question
Message-ID: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNMEOMCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>

Does anyone know if the Astro watt meter can read above 70A? Someone at the contest said it is maxed out at 70A.

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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Wed Dec 10 22:01:29 2008
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:01:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Astro watt meter question
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As far as I know the standard model has a limit of 70 Amps.  Mine has  
a limit of 70 but they may have made some that go higher.

Jim


On Dec 10, 2008, at 10:44 PM, JShulman wrote:

> Does anyone know if the Astro watt meter can read above 70A? Someone  
> at the contest said it is maxed out at 70A.
>
> Regards,
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 22:30:36 2008
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:30:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Astro watt meter question
References: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNMEOMCPAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <600763.82384.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As far as I know, it won't. Mine didn't. Sold it and bought a Medusa. 


 
Chris 
 
 
 




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Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:44:59 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Astro watt meter question

Does anyone know if the Astro watt meter can read above 70A? Someone at the contest said it is maxed out at 70A.

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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 11 07:09:13 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:09:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Astro watt meter question
In-Reply-To: <600763.82384.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<600763.82384.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W55A522CE2CD4D9236DF465A0F80@phx.gbl>


The EagleTree Elogger V3 (and LCD Panel) will read up to 100 amps with Deans or 150 with HD wire connectors--real time or logged for download plus it has the capability of doing a lot of other neat stuff.  www.eagletreesystems.com 
RS



Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:30:33 -0800From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Astro watt meter question


As far as I know, it won't. Mine didn't. Sold it and bought a Medusa. 
 
Chris 
 
 
 




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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 11 07:09:22 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:09:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Astro watt meter question
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The EagleTree Elogger V3 (and LCD Panel) will read up to 100 amps with Deans or 150 with HD wire connectors--real time or logged for download plus it has the capability of doing a lot of other neat stuff.  www.eagletreesystems.com 
RS



Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:30:33 -0800From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Astro watt meter question


As far as I know, it won't. Mine didn't. Sold it and bought a Medusa. 
 
Chris 
 
 
 




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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 11 09:05:11 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:05:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
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Here's a little more info....
RS
 
> -----Original Message-----> From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:57 AM> To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com> Subject: Re: FW: !4 MZ modifications> > > Dear Valued Customer:> > Thank you for your Email.> > The stick encoders have been replaced with new ones. The only thing we> know is that they are a different color, but the part numbers are the> same. The screens are not a "new" type, just replacements for bad> ones.> > We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any further> questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this> email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any> future questions.)> > DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently asked> questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the> information helpful and valuable to you.> > Sincerely,> > Futaba Service Center North America> 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1> Champaign IL 61822> USA> > Phone: (217) 398-0007> Fax: (217) 398-7721> Email: service at futaba-rc.com > Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html > > >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com> 12/11/2008> 10:42 AM >>>> > > Have the encoders been changed to a different type or configuation? If> so,> about when was that change made? Same thing on the screen--are the> newer> ones different than the older ones? If so, about when was that change> made?> > Thanks,> > Richard
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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Thu Dec 11 11:37:33 2008
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:37:33 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W399A81B90F35BBEF9378C8A0F80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <265546.86812.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

And if they could?just tell us exactly what?that secret "color" is, we could all look at our radios and figure out if they need to?be replaced or not. Almost there...
?
OK, let's try this:
Tony - what color are the encoders that you install when you service one of these radios that has "bad" encoders?
?
John Pavlick

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
To: "NSRCA DISCUSSION" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:05 PM




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Here's a little more info....
RS
?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:57 AM
> To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com
> Subject: Re: FW: !4 MZ modifications
> 
> 
> Dear Valued Customer:
> 
> Thank you for your Email.
> 
> The stick encoders have been replaced with new ones. The only thing we
> know is that they are a different color, but the part numbers are the
> same. The screens are not a "new" type, just replacements for bad
> ones.
> 
> We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any further
> questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this
> email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any
> future questions.)
> 
> DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently asked
> questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the
> information helpful and valuable to you.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Futaba Service Center North America
> 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1
> Champaign IL 61822
> USA
> 
> Phone: (217) 398-0007
> Fax: (217) 398-7721
> Email: service at futaba-rc.com 
> Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html 
> 
> >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com> 12/11/2008
> 10:42 AM >>>
> 
> 
> Have the encoders been changed to a different type or configuation? If
> so,
> about when was that change made? Same thing on the screen--are the
> newer
> ones different than the older ones? If so, about when was that change
> made?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Richard




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From schale at optonline.net  Thu Dec 11 12:06:09 2008
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:06:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
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From khoard at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 12:46:51 2008
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:46:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <265546.86812.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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The old ones are blue and the new ones are white. . . there is a secret code
to getting them changed out.  You have to tell them that you're getting
intermittent glitches that you can see on the servo screen.

Otherwise they won't change them out until you lose an airplane. . .

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM, John Pavlick <jpavlick at idseng.com> wrote:

> And if they could just tell us exactly what that secret "color" is, we
> could all look at our radios and figure out if they need to be replaced or
> not. Almost there...
>
> OK, let's try this:
> Tony - what color are the encoders that you install when you service one of
> these radios that has "bad" encoders?
>
> John Pavlick
>
> --- On *Thu, 12/11/08, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
> To: "NSRCA DISCUSSION" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:05 PM
>
>  Here's a *little* more info....
> RS
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:57 AM
> > To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com
> > Subject: Re: FW: !4 MZ modifications
> >
> >
> > Dear Valued Customer:
> >
> > Thank you for your Email.
> >
> > The stick encoders have been replaced with new ones. The only thing we
> > know is that they are a different color, but the part numbers are the
> > same. The screens are not a "new" type, just replacements for bad
> > ones.
> >
> > We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any further
> > questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this
> > email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any
> > future questions.)
> >
> > DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently asked
> > questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the
> > information helpful and valuable to you.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Futaba Service Center North America
> > 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1
> > Champaign IL 61822
> > USA
> >
> > Phone: (217) 398-0007
> > Fax: (217) 398-7721
> > Email: service at futaba-rc.com
> > Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html
> >
> > >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com> 12/11/2008
> > 10:42 AM >>>
> >
> >
> > Have the encoders been changed to a different type or configuation? If
> > so,
> > about when was that change made? Same thing on the screen--are the
> > newer
> > ones different than the older ones? If so, about when was that change
> > made?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Richard
>
>
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From vanputte at cox.net  Thu Dec 11 12:51:58 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:51:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
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Hmmmm.  I wonder how Keith knows this.  Come clean Keith.  How'd you  
find out?

Inquisitive Ron VP

On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:

> The old ones are blue and the new ones are white. . . there is a  
> secret code to getting them changed out.  You have to tell them  
> that you're getting intermittent glitches that you can see on the  
> servo screen.
>
> Otherwise they won't change them out until you lose an airplane. . .
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM, John Pavlick <jpavlick at idseng.com>  
> wrote:
> And if they could just tell us exactly what that secret "color" is,  
> we could all look at our radios and figure out if they need to be  
> replaced or not. Almost there...
>
> OK, let's try this:
> Tony - what color are the encoders that you install when you  
> service one of these radios that has "bad" encoders?
>
> John Pavlick
>
> --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>  
> wrote:
> From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
> To: "NSRCA DISCUSSION" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:05 PM
>
> Here's a little more info....
> RS
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:57 AM
> > To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com
> > Subject: Re: FW: !4 MZ modifications
> >
> >
> > Dear Valued Customer:
> >
> > Thank you for your Email.
> >
> > The stick encoders have been replaced with new ones. The only  
> thing we
> > know is that they are a different color, but the part numbers are  
> the
> > same. The screens are not a "new" type, just replacements for bad
> > ones.
> >
> > We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any  
> further
> > questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this
> > email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any
> > future questions.)
> >
> > DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently  
> asked
> > questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the
> > information helpful and valuable to you.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Futaba Service Center North America
> > 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1
> > Champaign IL 61822
> > USA
> >
> > Phone: (217) 398-0007
> > Fax: (217) 398-7721
> > Email: service at futaba-rc.com
> > Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html
> >
> > >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com> 12/11/2008
> > 10:42 AM >>>
> >
> >
> > Have the encoders been changed to a different type or  
> configuation? If
> > so,
> > about when was that change made? Same thing on the screen--are the
> > newer
> > ones different than the older ones? If so, about when was that  
> change
> > made?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Richard
>
>
> Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your  
> Hotmail? account.
> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion  
> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
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>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Keith Hoard
> Collierville, TN
> khoard at gmail.com
>
>
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Thu Dec 11 13:24:34 2008
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:24:34 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <5AE87DFF-4171-42DD-BF33-B01DA96E6179@cox.net>
References: <5AE87DFF-4171-42DD-BF33-B01DA96E6179@cox.net>
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Jeez, at least they will give you something new and acknowledge the error of their ways. 


?


Reminds me of the old Futaba J systems of the early 80s. I had one (the last Futaba I owned for Pattern)?and it KILLED my most beloved Arrow of the time. That plane was something else....I had great confidence in its flying capability until its early DEATH at 12 flights, just long enough to know it was the best ever for me at the time.


?


Caps because it's been 25 years and I still get pissed off at how that whole thing was handled by Futaba of America (badly). Good products overall, but they deserve a little bashing for the way they handled MY situation.


?


Really good airplanes are very hard to replace and their loss sets you back quite a while. And I'm sure that some guys never make it back


?


Matt










-----Original Message-----

From: Ron Van Putte &lt;vanputte at cox.net&gt;

To: General pattern discussion &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;

Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 4:51 pm

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications





Hmmmm. I wonder how Keith knows this. Come clean Keith. How'd you find out??

?

Inquisitive Ron VP?

?

On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:?

?

&gt; The old ones are blue and the new ones are white. . 
. there is a &gt; secret code to getting them changed out. You have to tell them &gt; that you're getting intermittent glitches that you can see on the &gt; servo screen.?

&gt;?

&gt; Otherwise they won't change them out until you lose an airplane. . .?

&gt;?

&gt; On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM, John Pavlick &lt;jpavlick at idseng.com&gt; &gt; wrote:?

&gt; And if they could just tell us exactly what that secret "color" is, &gt; we could all look at our radios and figure out if they need to be &gt; replaced or not. Almost there...?

&gt;?

&gt; OK, let's try this:?

&gt; Tony - what color are the encoders that you install when you &gt; service one of these radios that has "bad" encoders??

&gt;?

&gt; John Pavlick?

&gt;?

&gt; --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Richard Strickland &lt;pamrich47 at hotmail.com&gt; &gt; wrote:?

&gt; From: Richard Strickland &lt;pamrich47 at hotmail.com&gt;?

&gt; Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications?

&gt; To: "NSRCA DISCUSSION" &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;?

&gt; Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:05 PM?

&gt;?

&gt; Here's a little more info....?

&gt; RS?

&gt;?

&gt;?

&gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----?

&gt; &gt; From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]?

&gt; &gt; Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:57 AM?

&gt; &gt; To: richard.s at allied-c
allaway.com?

&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: FW: !4 MZ modifications?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt; Dear Valued Customer:?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt; Thank you for your Email.?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt; The stick encoders have been replaced with new ones. The only &gt; thing we?

&gt; &gt; know is that they are a different color, but the part numbers are &gt; the?

&gt; &gt; same. The screens are not a "new" type, just replacements for bad?

&gt; &gt; ones.?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt; We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any &gt; further?

&gt; &gt; questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this?

&gt; &gt; email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any?

&gt; &gt; future questions.)?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt; DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently &gt; asked?

&gt; &gt; questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the?

&gt; &gt; information helpful and valuable to you.?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt; Sincerely,?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt; Futaba Service Center North America?

&gt; &gt; 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1?

&gt; &gt; Champaign IL 61822?

&gt; &gt; USA?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt; Phone: (217) 398-0007?

&gt; &gt; Fax: (217) 398-7721


&gt; &gt; Email: service at futaba-rc.com?

&gt; &gt; Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; "Richard Strickland" &lt;richard.s at allied-callaway.com&gt; 12/11/2008?

&gt; &gt; 10:42 AM &gt;&gt;&gt;?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt; Have the encoders been changed to a different type or &gt; configuation? If?

&gt; &gt; so,?

&gt; &gt; about when was that change made? Same thing on the screen--are the?

&gt; &gt; newer?

&gt; &gt; ones different than the older ones? If so, about when was that &gt; change?

&gt; &gt; made??

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt; Thanks,?

&gt; &gt;?

&gt; &gt; Richard?

&gt;?

&gt;?

&gt; Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your &gt; Hotmail? account.?

&gt; _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion &gt; mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://&gt; lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion?

&gt;?

&gt; _______________________________________________?

&gt; NSRCA-discussion mailing list?

&gt; NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org?

&gt; http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion?

&gt;?

&gt;?

&gt;?

&gt; --&gt;?

&gt; Keith Hoard?

&gt; Collierville, TN?

&gt; khoard at gmail.com?

&gt;?

&gt;?

&gt; ________________________________________
_______?

&gt; NSRCA-discussion mailing list?

&gt; NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org?

&gt; http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion?

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From schale at optonline.net  Thu Dec 11 13:51:24 2008
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:51:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
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From dentdoc007 at comcast.net  Thu Dec 11 14:01:04 2008
From: dentdoc007 at comcast.net (C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:01:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
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JR has something Futaba has yet to catch up with.......A 3 YEAR WARRANTY
 
 That's why I sold my 14MZ & Moved to the 12X 2.4
 
 Futaba service Sold me on the Value of JR with the last repair bill of the
14mz. Many touch screens,Encoders & Processors. 
   
 

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:51 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications


I am a Futaba loyalist (use JR servos) but Futaba is not nearly as good as
JR in admitting and then fixing problems.  Futaba tries to cover it up and
JR comes clean.  Maybe someday I will see the light :)
Stuart

rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: 

Jeez, at least they will give you something new and acknowledge the error of
their ways. 
 
Reminds me of the old Futaba J systems of the early 80s. I had one (the last
Futaba I owned for Pattern) and it KILLED my most beloved Arrow of the time.
That plane was something else....I had great confidence in its flying
capability until its early DEATH at 12 flights, just long enough to know it
was the best ever for me at the time.
 
Caps because it's been 25 years and I still get pissed off at how that whole
thing was handled by Futaba of America (badly). Good products overall, but
they deserve a little bashing for the way they handled MY situation.
 
Really good airplanes are very hard to replace and their loss sets you back
quite a while. And I'm sure that some guys never make it back
 
Matt


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Van Putte  <mailto:vanputte at cox.net> <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion  <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications


Hmmmm. I wonder how Keith knows this. Come clean Keith. How'd you find out? 
 
Inquisitive Ron VP 
 
On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Keith Hoard wrote: 
 
> The old ones are blue and the new ones are white. . . there is a > secret
code to getting them changed out. You have to tell them > that you're
getting intermittent glitches that you can see on the > servo screen. 
> 
> Otherwise they won't change them out until you lose an airplane. . . 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM, John Pavlick <jpavlick at idseng.com> >
wrote: 
> And if they could just tell us exactly what that secret "color" is, > we
could all look at our radios and figure out if they need to be > replaced or
not. Almost there... 
> 
> OK, let's try this: 
> Tony - what color are the encoders that you install when you > service one
of these radios that has "bad" encoders? 
> 
> John Pavlick 
> 
> --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> > wrote: 
> From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications 
> To: "NSRCA DISCUSSION" <nsrca-dis cussion at lists.nsrca.org
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> > 
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:05 PM 
> 
> Here's a little more info.... 
> RS 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com
<mailto:support at hobbico.com?> ] 
> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:57 AM 
> > To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com 
> > Subject: Re: FW: !4 MZ modifications 
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Valued Customer: 
> > 
> > Thank you for your Email. 
> > 
> > The stick encoders have been replaced with new ones. The only > thing we

> > know is that they are a different color, but the part numbers are > the 
> > same. The screens are not a "new" type, just replacements for bad 
> > ones. 
> > 
> > We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any > further

> > questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this 
> > email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any 
> > future questions.) 
> > 
> > DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently >
asked 
> > questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the 
> > information helpful and valuable to you. 
> > 
> > Sincerely, 
> > 
> > Futaba Service Center North America 
> > 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1 
> > Champaign IL 61822 
> > USA 
> > 
> > Phone: (217) 398-0007 
> > Fax: (217) 398-7721 
> > Email: service at futaba-rc.com 
> > Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html 
> > 
> > >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com> 12/11/2008 
> > 10:42 AM >>> 
> > 
> > 
> > Have the encoders been changed to a different type or > configuation? If

> > so, 
> > about when was that change made? Same thing on the screen--are the 
> > newer 
> > ones different than the older ones? If so, about when was that > change 
> > made? 
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > 
> > Richard 
> 
> 
> Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your >
HotmailR account. 
> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion > mailing
list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://>
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> 
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion 
> 
> 
> 
> --> 
> Keith Hoard 
> Collierville, TN 
> khoard at gmail.com 
> 
> 
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 11 14:01:48 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:01:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
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I don't want to say anything to jinx anything--but I finally popped for my FOURTH next gen Futaba PCM today on 50.  I'm pretty happy with Futaba and Tony Stillman. 
RS



To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:24:17 -0500From: rcmaster199 at aol.comSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
Jeez, at least they will give you something new and acknowledge the error of their ways. 
 
Reminds me of the old Futaba J systems of the early 80s. I had one (the last Futaba I owned for Pattern) and it KILLED my most beloved Arrow of the time. That plane was something else....I had great confidence in its flying capability until its early DEATH at 12 flights, just long enough to know it was the best ever for me at the time.
 
Caps because it's been 25 years and I still get pissed off at how that whole thing was handled by Futaba of America (badly). Good products overall, but they deserve a little bashing for the way they handled MY situation.
 
Really good airplanes are very hard to replace and their loss sets you back quite a while. And I'm sure that some guys never make it back
 
Matt

-----Original Message-----From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 4:51 pmSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
Hmmmm. I wonder how Keith knows this. Come clean Keith. How'd you find out?  Inquisitive Ron VP  On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:  > The old ones are blue and the new ones are white. . . there is a > secret code to getting them changed out. You have to tell them > that you're getting intermittent glitches that you can see on the > servo screen. > > Otherwise they won't change them out until you lose an airplane. . . > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM, John Pavlick <jpavlick at idseng.com> > wrote: > And if they could just tell us exactly what that secret "color" is, > we could all look at our radios and figure out if they need to be > replaced or not. Almost there... > > OK, let's try this: > Tony - what color are the encoders that you install when you > service one of these radios that has "bad" encoders? > > John Pavlick > > --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> > wrote: > From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications > To: "NSRCA DISCUSSION" <nsrca-dis cussion at lists.nsrca.org> > Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:05 PM > > Here's a little more info.... > RS > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com] > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:57 AM > > To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com > > Subject: Re: FW: !4 MZ modifications > > > > > > Dear Valued Customer: > > > > Thank you for your Email. > > > > The stick encoders have been replaced with new ones. The only > thing we > > know is that they are a different color, but the part numbers are > the > > same. The screens are not a "new" type, just replacements for bad > > ones. > > > > We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any > further > > questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this > > email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any > > future questions.) > > > > DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently > asked > > questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the > > information helpful and valuable to you. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Futaba Service Center North America > > 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1 > > Champaign IL 61822 > > USA > > > > Phone: (217) 398-0007 > > Fax: (217) 398-7721 > > Email: service at futaba-rc.com > > Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html > > > > >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com> 12/11/2008 > > 10:42 AM >>> > > > > > > Have the encoders been changed to a different type or > configuation? If > > so, > > about when was that change made? Same thing on the screen--are the > > newer > > ones different than the older ones? If so, about when was that > change > > made? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Richard > > > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your > Hotmail? account. > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion > mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > --> > Keith Hoard > Collierville, TN > khoard at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion  _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion 


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From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:32:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <4941995B.7020306@optonline.net>
References: <5AE87DFF-4171-42DD-BF33-B01DA96E6179@cox.net>
	<8CB29F655F04B1A-11AC-7F4@WEBMAIL-MA17.sysops.aol.com>
	<4941995B.7020306@optonline.net>
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I hate to say this (actually I don't), but I'm reminded of the way  
the United States Air Force handles "problems".  I feel qualified,  
since I spent 20 years in a USAF uniform.  The USAF never saw a  
problem that it couldn't hide from, deny the existence of or drag its  
feet in fixing.  I hope Futaba "grows some" and begins to  
aggressively fix problems.

Ron VP

On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> I am a Futaba loyalist (use JR servos) but Futaba is not nearly as  
> good as JR in admitting and then fixing problems.  Futaba tries to  
> cover it up and JR comes clean.  Maybe someday I will see the light :)
> Stuart
>
> rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Jeez, at least they will give you something new and acknowledge  
>> the error of their ways.
>>
>> Reminds me of the old Futaba J systems of the early 80s. I had one  
>> (the last Futaba I owned for Pattern) and it KILLED my most  
>> beloved Arrow of the time. That plane was something else....I had  
>> great confidence in its flying capability until its early DEATH at  
>> 12 flights, just long enough to know it was the best ever for me  
>> at the time.
>>
>> Caps because it's been 25 years and I still get pissed off at how  
>> that whole thing was handled by Futaba of America (badly). Good  
>> products overall, but they deserve a little bashing for the way  
>> they handled MY situation.
>>
>> Really good airplanes are very hard to replace and their loss sets  
>> you back quite a while. And I'm sure that some guys never make it  
>> back
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 4:51 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
>>
>> Hmmmm. I wonder how Keith knows this. Come clean Keith. How'd you  
>> find out?
>>
>> Inquisitive Ron VP
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:
>>
>> > The old ones are blue and the new ones are white. . . there is a  
>> > secret code to getting them changed out. You have to tell them >  
>> that you're getting intermittent glitches that you can see on the  
>> > servo screen.
>> >
>> > Otherwise they won't change them out until you lose an  
>> airplane. . .
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM, John Pavlick  
>> <jpavlick at idseng.com> > wrote:
>> > And if they could just tell us exactly what that secret "color"  
>> is, > we could all look at our radios and figure out if they need  
>> to be > replaced or not. Almost there...
>> >
>> > OK, let's try this:
>> > Tony - what color are the encoders that you install when you >  
>> service one of these radios that has "bad" encoders?
>> >
>> > John Pavlick
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>  
>> > wrote:
>> > From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
>> > To: "NSRCA DISCUSSION" <nsrca-dis cussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:05 PM
>> >
>> > Here's a little more info....
>> > RS
>> >
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]
>> > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:57 AM
>> > > To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com
>> > > Subject: Re: FW: !4 MZ modifications
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear Valued Customer:
>> > >
>> > > Thank you for your Email.
>> > >
>> > > The stick encoders have been replaced with new ones. The only  
>> > thing we
>> > > know is that they are a different color, but the part numbers  
>> are > the
>> > > same. The screens are not a "new" type, just replacements for bad
>> > > ones.
>> > >
>> > > We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any  
>> > further
>> > > questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at  
>> this
>> > > email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails  
>> into any
>> > > future questions.)
>> > >
>> > > DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs?  
>> (Frequently > asked
>> > > questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find  
>> the
>> > > information helpful and valuable to you.
>> > >
>> > > Sincerely,
>> > >
>> > > Futaba Service Center North America
>> > > 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1
>> > > Champaign IL 61822
>> > > USA
>> > >
>> > > Phone: (217) 398-0007
>> > > Fax: (217) 398-7721
>> > > Email: service at futaba-rc.com
>> > > Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html
>> > >
>> > > >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com>  
>> 12/11/2008
>> > > 10:42 AM >>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Have the encoders been changed to a different type or >  
>> configuation? If
>> > > so,
>> > > about when was that change made? Same thing on the screen--are  
>> the
>> > > newer
>> > > ones different than the older ones? If so, about when was that  
>> > change
>> > > made?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Richard
>> >
>> >
>> > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get  
>> your > Hotmail? account.
>> > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion  
>> > mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://>  
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -->
>> > Keith Hoard
>> > Collierville, TN
>> > khoard at gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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From khoard at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 15:50:26 2008
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:50:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <5AE87DFF-4171-42DD-BF33-B01DA96E6179@cox.net>
References: <BAY123-W399A81B90F35BBEF9378C8A0F80@phx.gbl>
	<265546.86812.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6792ef120812111346h59ea29ccy127ac4c0ab71abe9@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <6792ef120812111650y7b6a95c9n66d96ab703f2590@mail.gmail.com>

Luckily I didn't have to lose an airplane, but I was pretty shocked when the
Futaba guy told me that is what would have to happen. So . . . I just short
circuited the process. . .

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

> Hmmmm.  I wonder how Keith knows this.  Come clean Keith.  How'd you find
> out?
>
> Inquisitive Ron VP
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:
>
>  The old ones are blue and the new ones are white. . . there is a secret
>> code to getting them changed out.  You have to tell them that you're getting
>> intermittent glitches that you can see on the servo screen.
>>
>> Otherwise they won't change them out until you lose an airplane. . .
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM, John Pavlick <jpavlick at idseng.com>
>> wrote:
>> And if they could just tell us exactly what that secret "color" is, we
>> could all look at our radios and figure out if they need to be replaced or
>> not. Almost there...
>>
>> OK, let's try this:
>> Tony - what color are the encoders that you install when you service one
>> of these radios that has "bad" encoders?
>>
>> John Pavlick
>>
>> --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
>> To: "NSRCA DISCUSSION" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:05 PM
>>
>> Here's a little more info....
>> RS
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:57 AM
>> > To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com
>> > Subject: Re: FW: !4 MZ modifications
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Valued Customer:
>> >
>> > Thank you for your Email.
>> >
>> > The stick encoders have been replaced with new ones. The only thing we
>> > know is that they are a different color, but the part numbers are the
>> > same. The screens are not a "new" type, just replacements for bad
>> > ones.
>> >
>> > We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any further
>> > questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this
>> > email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any
>> > future questions.)
>> >
>> > DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently asked
>> > questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the
>> > information helpful and valuable to you.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > Futaba Service Center North America
>> > 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1
>> > Champaign IL 61822
>> > USA
>> >
>> > Phone: (217) 398-0007
>> > Fax: (217) 398-7721
>> > Email: service at futaba-rc.com
>> > Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html
>> >
>> > >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com> 12/11/2008
>> > 10:42 AM >>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Have the encoders been changed to a different type or configuation? If
>> > so,
>> > about when was that change made? Same thing on the screen--are the
>> > newer
>> > ones different than the older ones? If so, about when was that change
>> > made?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Richard
>>
>>
>> Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your Hotmail(R)
>> account.
>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing
>> list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://
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>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Keith Hoard
>> Collierville, TN
>> khoard at gmail.com
>>
>>
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Keith Hoard
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From rob at koolsoft.com  Thu Dec 11 16:02:59 2008
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:02:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <0ED5077A-D84B-4959-9988-BB9D888B91BB@cox.net>
References: <5AE87DFF-4171-42DD-BF33-B01DA96E6179@cox.net><8CB29F655F04B1A-11AC-7F4@WEBMAIL-MA17.sysops.aol.com><4941995B.7020306@optonline.net>
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Futaba's problems are not many, but are mostly based on a
self-superiority complex it has.  I think its 2.4Ghz solution is a
better one than Spektrum/JR's, but saying a data-logger is not needed
because it just works is foolish when it comes to marketing.  Same goes
for remote antennae.  Additionally, this denial of a heat problem with
the receivers (by Hobbico mainly, not necessarily Futaba) does nothing
good for their reputation.  JR's reputation is a whole lot better
because they respond very quickly to problems and "take the blame" when
necessary.

Anyways, per repeated contacts with Hobbico on forums and on phone, they
say they will upgrade the stick encoders without charge on the 14MZ or
the 12Z regardless of age.  Now whether that means if you send the radio
in for that reason alone, they do it free of charge, I don't know, but
they certainly didn't charge me any extra when I sent my 12Z in for its
2 year check-up @ $87.50.  They also upgraded the stick springs and
fixed an internal antenna problem for no additional charge.

- Robert Beaubien
- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster
-


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van
Putte
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:33 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications

I hate to say this (actually I don't), but I'm reminded of the way  
the United States Air Force handles "problems".  I feel qualified,  
since I spent 20 years in a USAF uniform.  The USAF never saw a  
problem that it couldn't hide from, deny the existence of or drag its  
feet in fixing.  I hope Futaba "grows some" and begins to  
aggressively fix problems.

Ron VP

On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> I am a Futaba loyalist (use JR servos) but Futaba is not nearly as  
> good as JR in admitting and then fixing problems.  Futaba tries to  
> cover it up and JR comes clean.  Maybe someday I will see the light :)
> Stuart
>
> rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Jeez, at least they will give you something new and acknowledge  
>> the error of their ways.
>>
>> Reminds me of the old Futaba J systems of the early 80s. I had one  
>> (the last Futaba I owned for Pattern) and it KILLED my most  
>> beloved Arrow of the time. That plane was something else....I had  
>> great confidence in its flying capability until its early DEATH at  
>> 12 flights, just long enough to know it was the best ever for me  
>> at the time.
>>
>> Caps because it's been 25 years and I still get pissed off at how  
>> that whole thing was handled by Futaba of America (badly). Good  
>> products overall, but they deserve a little bashing for the way  
>> they handled MY situation.
>>
>> Really good airplanes are very hard to replace and their loss sets  
>> you back quite a while. And I'm sure that some guys never make it  
>> back
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 4:51 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
>>
>> Hmmmm. I wonder how Keith knows this. Come clean Keith. How'd you  
>> find out?
>>
>> Inquisitive Ron VP
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:
>>
>> > The old ones are blue and the new ones are white. . . there is a  
>> > secret code to getting them changed out. You have to tell them >  
>> that you're getting intermittent glitches that you can see on the  
>> > servo screen.
>> >
>> > Otherwise they won't change them out until you lose an  
>> airplane. . .
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM, John Pavlick  
>> <jpavlick at idseng.com> > wrote:
>> > And if they could just tell us exactly what that secret "color"  
>> is, > we could all look at our radios and figure out if they need  
>> to be > replaced or not. Almost there...
>> >
>> > OK, let's try this:
>> > Tony - what color are the encoders that you install when you >  
>> service one of these radios that has "bad" encoders?
>> >
>> > John Pavlick
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>  
>> > wrote:
>> > From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
>> > To: "NSRCA DISCUSSION" <nsrca-dis cussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:05 PM
>> >
>> > Here's a little more info....
>> > RS
>> >
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]
>> > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:57 AM
>> > > To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com
>> > > Subject: Re: FW: !4 MZ modifications
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear Valued Customer:
>> > >
>> > > Thank you for your Email.
>> > >
>> > > The stick encoders have been replaced with new ones. The only  
>> > thing we
>> > > know is that they are a different color, but the part numbers  
>> are > the
>> > > same. The screens are not a "new" type, just replacements for bad
>> > > ones.
>> > >
>> > > We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any  
>> > further
>> > > questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at  
>> this
>> > > email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails  
>> into any
>> > > future questions.)
>> > >
>> > > DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs?  
>> (Frequently > asked
>> > > questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find  
>> the
>> > > information helpful and valuable to you.
>> > >
>> > > Sincerely,
>> > >
>> > > Futaba Service Center North America
>> > > 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1
>> > > Champaign IL 61822
>> > > USA
>> > >
>> > > Phone: (217) 398-0007
>> > > Fax: (217) 398-7721
>> > > Email: service at futaba-rc.com
>> > > Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html
>> > >
>> > > >>> "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com>  
>> 12/11/2008
>> > > 10:42 AM >>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Have the encoders been changed to a different type or >  
>> configuation? If
>> > > so,
>> > > about when was that change made? Same thing on the screen--are  
>> the
>> > > newer
>> > > ones different than the older ones? If so, about when was that  
>> > change
>> > > made?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Richard
>> >
>> >
>> > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get  
>> your > Hotmail(r) account.
>> > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion  
>> > mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://>  
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -->
>> > Keith Hoard
>> > Collierville, TN
>> > khoard at gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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>> songs for the holidays - FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now!
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Thu Dec 11 17:32:49 2008
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:32:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD601@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
References: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD601@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CB2A1909BCB121-650-1412@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com>

I was hoping it wasn't going to become a JR vs Futaba?deal when I posted my bad experience. What happened to me happened a long time ago and I would like to drop it at that. Both radio makers are doing fine work currently, producing what we want,?many times?exceeding expectation.


?


I am certain that I will not change my preference just the same as most who fly the other brands will not change theirs.


?


MattK










-----Original Message-----

From: Robert L. Beaubien &lt;rob at koolsoft.com&gt;

To: General pattern discussion &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;

Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 8:02 pm

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications





Futaba's problems are not many, but are mostly based on a  self-superiority complex it has.  I think its 2.4Ghz solution is a  better one than Spektrum/JR's, but saying a data-logger is not needed  because it just works is foolish when it comes to marketing.  Same goes  for remote antennae.  Additionally, this denial of a heat problem with  the receivers (by Hobbico mainly, not necessarily Futaba) does nothing  good for their reputation.  JR's reputation is a whole lot better  because they respond very quickly to problems and "take the blame" when  necessary.    Anyways, per repeated contacts with Hobbico on forums and on phone, they  say they will upgrade the stick encoders without charge on the 14MZ or  the 12Z regardless of age.  Now whether that means if you send the radio  in for that reason alone, they do it free of charge, I don't know, but  they certainly didn't charge me any extra when I sent my 12Z in for its  2 year check-up @ $87.50.  They also upgraded the stick 
 springs and  fixed an internal antenna problem for no additional charge.    - Robert Beaubien  - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster  -      -----Original Message-----  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van  Putte  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:33 PM  To: General pattern discussion  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications    I hate to say this (actually I don't), but I'm reminded of the way    the United States Air Force handles "problems".  I feel qualified,    since I spent 20 years in a USAF uniform.  The USAF never saw a    problem that it couldn't hide from, deny the existence of or drag its    feet in fixing.  I hope Futaba "grows some" and begins to    aggressively fix problems.    Ron VP    On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:    &gt; I am a Futaba loyalist (use JR servos) but Futaba is not nearly as    &gt; good as JR in admitting and then fixing problems.  Fut
 aba tries to    &gt; cover it up and JR comes clean.  Maybe someday 

I will see the light :)  &gt; Stuart  &gt;  &gt; rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; Jeez, at least they will give you something new and acknowledge    &gt;&gt; the error of their ways.  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; Reminds me of the old Futaba J systems of the early 80s. I had one    &gt;&gt; (the last Futaba I owned for Pattern) and it KILLED my most    &gt;&gt; beloved Arrow of the time. That plane was something else....I had    &gt;&gt; great confidence in its flying capability until its early DEATH at    &gt;&gt; 12 flights, just long enough to know it was the best ever for me    &gt;&gt; at the time.  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; Caps because it's been 25 years and I still get pissed off at how    &gt;&gt; that whole thing was handled by Futaba of America (badly). Good    &gt;&gt; products overall, but they deserve a little bashing for the way    &gt;&gt; they handled MY situation.  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; Really good airplanes are very hard to replace and their loss sets    &gt;&gt;
  you back quite a while. And I'm sure that some guys never make it    &gt;&gt; back  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; Matt  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----  &gt;&gt; From: Ron Van Putte &lt;vanputte at cox.net&gt;  &gt;&gt; To: General pattern discussion &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;  &gt;&gt; Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 4:51 pm  &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; Hmmmm. I wonder how Keith knows this. Come clean Keith. How'd you    &gt;&gt; find out?  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; Inquisitive Ron VP  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; The old ones are blue and the new ones are white. . . there is a    &gt;&gt; &gt; secret code to getting them changed out. You have to tell them &gt;    &gt;&gt; that you're getting intermittent glitches that you can see on the    &gt;&gt; &gt; servo screen.  &gt;&gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; Otherwise they won't change them out until you los
 e an    &gt;&gt; airplane. . .  &gt;&gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; On Thu,

 Dec 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM, John Pavlick    &gt;&gt; &lt;jpavlick at idseng.com&gt; &gt; wrote:  &gt;&gt; &gt; And if they could just tell us exactly what that secret "color"    &gt;&gt; is, &gt; we could all look at our radios and figure out if they need    &gt;&gt; to be &gt; replaced or not. Almost there...  &gt;&gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; OK, let's try this:  &gt;&gt; &gt; Tony - what color are the encoders that you install when you &gt;    &gt;&gt; service one of these radios that has "bad" encoders?  &gt;&gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; John Pavlick  &gt;&gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Richard Strickland &lt;pamrich47 at hotmail.com&gt;    &gt;&gt; &gt; wrote:  &gt;&gt; &gt; From: Richard Strickland &lt;pamrich47 at hotmail.com&gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications  &gt;&gt; &gt; To: "NSRCA DISCUSSION" &lt;nsrca-dis cussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:05 PM  &gt;&gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; Here's a littl
 e more info....  &gt;&gt; &gt; RS  &gt;&gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; From: support Futaba [mailto:support at hobbico.com]  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:57 AM  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; To: richard.s at allied-callaway.com  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: FW: !4 MZ modifications  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Dear Valued Customer:  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Thank you for your Email.  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; The stick encoders have been replaced with new ones. The only    &gt;&gt; &gt; thing we  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; know is that they are a different color, but the part numbers    &gt;&gt; are &gt; the  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; same. The screens are not a "new" type, just replacements for bad  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; ones.  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; We hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any    &gt;&gt; &gt; further  &gt;&gt; &
 gt; &gt; questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us

 at    &gt;&gt; this  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails    &gt;&gt; into any  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; future questions.)  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs?    &gt;&gt; (Frequently &gt; asked  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find    &gt;&gt; the  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; information helpful and valuable to you.  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Sincerely,  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Futaba Service Center North America  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Champaign IL 61822  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; USA  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Phone: (217) 398-0007  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Fax: (217) 398-7721  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Email: service at futaba-rc.com  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Web: http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; "Richard Strickland" &lt;richard.s at alli
 ed-callaway.com&gt;    &gt;&gt; 12/11/2008  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 10:42 AM &gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Have the encoders been changed to a different type or &gt;    &gt;&gt; configuation? If  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; so,  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; about when was that change made? Same thing on the screen--are    &gt;&gt; the  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; newer  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; ones different than the older ones? If so, about when was that    &gt;&gt; &gt; change  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; made?  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks,  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Richard  &gt;&gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt;  &gt;&gt; &gt; Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get    &gt;&gt; your &gt; Hotmail(r) account.  &gt;&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion    &gt;&gt; &gt; mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://&gt;    &gt;&gt; lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion  &gt;&gt; &gt
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Fri Dec 12 04:43:54 2008
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:43:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications
In-Reply-To: <8CB2A1909BCB121-650-1412@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com>
References: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD601@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
	<8CB2A1909BCB121-650-1412@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AEDD16EEB52D4BE1BF1A69EC31006C04@Tony>

Remember that Spektra's 2.4Ghz solution is NOT JR's solution!  JR has their
own 2.4Ghz spread spectrum system, it is just not sold in the USA.  You can
find info on it at:

http://www.graupner-ifs-system.de/en/news/detail/browse/1/article/10/das-gra
upner-24-ghz-ifs-system.html

 

Looks like the XPS receiver, or at least very similar design.  

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
rcmaster199 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:33 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications

 

I was hoping it wasn't going to become a JR vs Futaba deal when I posted my
bad experience. What happened to me happened a long time ago and I would
like to drop it at that. Both radio makers are doing fine work currently,
producing what we want, many times exceeding expectation.

 

I am certain that I will not change my preference just the same as most who
fly the other brands will not change theirs.

 

MattK

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 8:02 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications

Futaba's problems are not many, but are mostly based on a  self-superiority
complex it has.  I think its 2.4Ghz solution is a  better one than
Spektrum/JR's, but saying a data-logger is not needed  because it just works
is foolish when it comes to marketing.  Same goes  for remote antennae.
Additionally, this denial of a heat problem with  the receivers (by Hobbico
mainly, not necessarily Futaba) does nothing  good for their reputation.
JR's reputation is a whole lot better  because they respond very quickly to
problems and "take the blame" when  necessary.    Anyways, per repeated
contacts with Hobbico on forums and on phone, they  say they will upgrade
the stick encoders without charge on the 14MZ or  the 12Z regardless of age.
Now whether that means if you send
  the radio  in for that reason alone, they do it free of charge, I don't
know, but  they certainly didn't charge me any extra when I sent my 12Z in
for its  2 year check-up @ $87.50.  They also upgraded the stick springs and
fixed an internal antenna problem for no additional charge.    - Robert
Beaubien  - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster  -      -----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?> ] On Behalf Of Ron Van
Putte  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:33 PM  To: General pattern
discussion  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications    I
hate to say this (actually I don't), but I'm reminded of the way    the
United States Air Force handles "problems".  I feel qualified,    since I
spent 20 years in a USAF uniform.  The USAF never saw a    problem that it
couldn
 't hide from, deny the existence of or drag its    feet in fixing.  
 
I hope Futaba "grows some" and begins to    aggressively fix problems.
Ron VP    On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:    > I am a
Futaba loyalist (use JR servos) but Futaba is not nearly as    > good as JR
in admitting and then fixing problems.  Futaba tries to    > cover it up and
JR comes clean.  Maybe someday I will see the light :)  > Stuart  >  >
rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:  >>  >> Jeez, at least they will give you
something new and acknowledge    >> the error of their ways.  >>  >> Reminds
me of the old Futaba J systems of the early 80s. I had one    >> (the last
Futaba I owned for Pattern) and it KILLED my most    >> beloved Arrow of the
time. That plane was something else....I had    >> great confidence in its
flying capability until its early DEATH at    >> 12 flights, just long
enough to know it was the best ever for me    >> at the ti
 me.  >>  >> Caps because it's been 25 years and I still get pissed off at
how    >> that whole thing was handled by Futaba of America (badly). Good
>> products overall, but they deserve a little bashing for the way    >>
they handled MY situation.  >>  >> Really good airplanes are very hard to
replace and their loss sets    >> you back quite a while. And I'm sure that
some guys never make it    >> back  >>  >> Matt  >>  >>  >> -----Original
Message-----  >> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>  >> To: General
pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  >> Sent: Thu, 11 Dec
2008 4:51 pm  >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications  >>
>> Hmmmm. I wonder how Keith knows this. Come clean Keith. How'd you    >>
find out? 
  >>  >> Inquisitive Ron VP  >>  >> On Dec 11
 
, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:  >>  >> > The old ones are blue and
the new ones are white. . . there is a    >> > secret code to getting them
changed out. You have to tell them >    >> that you're getting intermittent
glitches that you can see on the    >> > servo screen.  >> >  >> > Otherwise
they won't change them out until you lose an    >> airplane. . .  >> >  >> >
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM, John Pavlick    >> <jpavlick at idseng.com> >
wrote:  >> > And if they could just tell us exactly what that secret "color"
>> is, > we could all look at our radios and figure out if they need    >>
to be > replaced or not. Almost there...  >> >  >> > OK, let's try this:  >>
> Tony - what color are the encoders that you install when you >    >>
service one of these radios 
 that has "bad" encoders?  >> >  >> > John Pavlick  >> >  >> > --- On Thu,
12/11/08, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>    >> > wrote:  >> >
From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>  >> > Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] FW: !4 MZ modifications  >> > To: "NSRCA DISCUSSION"
<nsrca-dis cussion at lists.nsrca.org>  >> > Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008,
6:05 PM  >> >  >> > Here's a little more info....  >> > RS  >> >  >> >  >> >
> -----Original Message-----  >> > > From: support Futaba
[mailto:support at hobbico.com <mailto:support at hobbico.com?> ]  >> > > Sent:
Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:57 AM  >> > > To:
richard.s at allied-callaway.com
<mailto:richard.s at allied-cal%0d%0a%20laway.com>   >> > > Sub
 
ject: Re: FW: !4 MZ modifications  >> > >  >> > >  >> > > Dear Valued
Customer:  >> > >  >> > > Thank you for your Email.  >> > >  >> > > The
stick encoders have been replaced with new ones. The only    >> > thing we
>> > > know is that they are a different color, but the part numbers    >>
are > the  >> > > same. The screens are not a "new" type, just replacements
for bad  >> > > ones.  >> > >  >> > > We hope you find this information
helpful. Should you have any    >> > further  >> > > questions or concerns,
please do not hesitate to contact us at    >> this  >> > > email address.
(Please be sure to copy all previous emails    >> into any  >> > > future
questions.)  >> > >  >> > > DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain
FAQs? 
    >> (Frequently > asked  >> > > questions) Please drop by and take a
look! We hope you'll find    >> the  >> > > information helpful and valuable
to you.  >> > >  >> > > Sincerely,  >> > >  >> > > Futaba Service Center
North America  >> > > 3002 N. Apollo Dr. Suite 1  >> > > Champaign IL 61822
>> > > USA  >> > >  >> > > Phone: (217) 398-0007  >> > > Fax: (217) 398-7721
>> > > Email: service at futaba-rc.com  >> > > Web:
http://www.futaba-rc.com/index.html  >> > >  >> > > >>> "Richard Strickland"
<richard.s at allied-callaway.com>    >> 12/11/2008  >> > > 10:42 AM >>>  >> 
 > >  >> > >  >> > > Have the encoders 
 
been changed to a different type or >    >> configuation? If  >> > > so,  >>
> > about when was that change made? Same thing on the screen--are    >> the
>> > > newer  >> > > ones different than the older ones? If so, about when
was that    >> > change  >> > > made?  >> > >  >> > > Thanks,  >> > >  >> >
> Richard  >> >  >> >  >> > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing
skills. Get    >> your > Hotmail(r) account.  >> >
_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion    >> >
mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://>    >>
lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion  >> >  >> >
_______________________________________________  >> > NSRCA-discussion
mailing list 
  >> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org  >> >
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion  >> >  >> >  >> >
>> > -->  >> > Keith Hoard  >> > Collierville, TN  >> > khoard at gmail.com  >>
>  >> >  >> > _______________________________________________  >> >
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http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion  >>  >>
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Fri Dec 12 06:11:29 2008
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:11:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 160DZ
Message-ID: <2ECBF480C75749BAA0D3C8F656FA42F1@Tony>

Guys:
I have a customer that is rebuilding the pump on the 160DZ and he asked me
where to set the adjustment to start, and I don't know the answer..  Can I
get a recommendation from you guys?

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

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From mjfrederick at cox.net  Fri Dec 12 06:19:49 2008
From: mjfrederick at cox.net (mjfrederick at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:19:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 160DZ
In-Reply-To: <2ECBF480C75749BAA0D3C8F656FA42F1@Tony>
Message-ID: <20081212101946.MR4R5.2978.imail@eastrmwml36>

I believe the stock setting is just like the regulators on the pressurized systems, flush with the housing.

Matt
---- Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote: 
Guys:
I have a customer that is rebuilding the pump on the 160DZ and he asked me
where to set the adjustment to start, and I don't know the answer..  Can I
get a recommendation from you guys?

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

 



From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Fri Dec 12 06:24:48 2008
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:24:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 160DZ
In-Reply-To: <20081212101946.MR4R5.2978.imail@eastrmwml36>
References: <2ECBF480C75749BAA0D3C8F656FA42F1@Tony>
	<20081212101946.MR4R5.2978.imail@eastrmwml36>
Message-ID: <017A8977F4B849C4B941EAE0C5D7A54D@Tony>

That was my best guess as well.... 
Thanks, Matt.

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:20 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 160DZ

I believe the stock setting is just like the regulators on the pressurized
systems, flush with the housing.

Matt
---- Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote: 
Guys:
I have a customer that is rebuilding the pump on the 160DZ and he asked me
where to set the adjustment to start, and I don't know the answer..  Can I
get a recommendation from you guys?

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 12 07:35:17 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:35:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P
In-Reply-To: <144094.90003.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <144094.90003.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W98AAC5B6BE418743DA630A0F90@phx.gbl>


They need to do this in Feb.  Dec. too full of other commitments...
RS



Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:03:29 -0800From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P



How many of you are going to Wichita, KS for the F3P next weekend?
 
Also, in F3P, why does the circle (turning) needs to have the plane tilted?
There looks like at least a few differences in flying style compared to actual pattern.
 
Other than having to tilt the wing for curcle, is there any other differences that F3P specifically has?
 
Ihncheol
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From: vicenterc at comcast.net (vicenterc at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:07:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P
Message-ID: <121220081707.19163.49429A680000AABC00004ADB22155786740C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net>

I agree with Richard.  Just too much stuff going on before Christmas.  I wish that I could go.  
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They need to do this in Feb.  Dec. too full of other commitments...
RS





Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:03:29 -0800
From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P



How many of you are going to Wichita, KS for the F3P next weekend?

Also, in F3P, why does the circle (turning) needs to have the plane tilted?
There looks like at least a few differences in flying style compared to actual pattern.

Other than having to tilt the wing for curcle, is there any other differences that F3P specifically has?

Ihncheol



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From lagrue at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 12 08:26:47 2008
From: lagrue at hotmail.com (JEREMY CHINN)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:26:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P
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Well, then come to my event in January! : )
 
I made plans to attend this one and life has now gotten in the way (graduations....)



From: pamrich47 at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:35:14 -0600Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P

They need to do this in Feb.  Dec. too full of other commitments...RS



Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:03:29 -0800From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P



How many of you are going to Wichita, KS for the F3P next weekend?
 
Also, in F3P, why does the circle (turning) needs to have the plane tilted?
There looks like at least a few differences in flying style compared to actual pattern.
 
Other than having to tilt the wing for curcle, is there any other differences that F3P specifically has?
 
Ihncheol

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From dunnaway at hbcomm.net  Fri Dec 12 08:30:30 2008
From: dunnaway at hbcomm.net (Joe Dunnaway)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:30:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P
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From smaragdz at bellsouth.net  Fri Dec 12 09:19:56 2008
From: smaragdz at bellsouth.net (Ryan Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:19:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1.60DZ
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Tony,

I have found it to be around four turns out from being screwed in all the way. This works pretty well for the 1.70 as well, as I have gotten one that was quite a bit leaner than that from the factory. I think four turns out is close-ish to flush, but I think it was a little off. I would try that and see.

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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Fri Dec 12 11:13:37 2008
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:13:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1.60DZ
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Thanks, Ryan!

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

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Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

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Tony,

 

I have found it to be around four turns out from being screwed in all the
way. This works pretty well for the 1.70 as well, as I have gotten one that
was quite a bit leaner than that from the factory. I think four turns out is
close-ish to flush, but I think it was a little off. I would try that and
see.

 

Hope this helps.

 

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From lagrue at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 12 11:13:55 2008
From: lagrue at hotmail.com (JEREMY CHINN)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:13:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P
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Definitely would have been a good idea to include the info, wouldn't it...... : )
 
Al Glenn and I are putting on the Memphis Indoor Classic in January. 
 
More details at this link.
 
http://www.chinnaero.com/2009MemphisIndoorClassic.html



Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:30:25 -0600From: dunnaway at hbcomm.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3PWhere is yours Jeremy?JoeJEREMY CHINN wrote: 


Well, then come to my event in January! : ) I made plans to attend this one and life has now gotten in the way (graduations....)

From: pamrich47 at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:35:14 -0600Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P

They need to do this in Feb.  Dec. too full of other commitments...RS

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:03:29 -0800From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P



How many of you are going to Wichita, KS for the F3P next weekend?
 
Also, in F3P, why does the circle (turning) needs to have the plane tilted?
There looks like at least a few differences in flying style compared to actual pattern.
 
Other than having to tilt the wing for curcle, is there any other differences that F3P specifically has?
 
Ihncheol

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From pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 12 14:08:11 2008
From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net (Ihncheol Park)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:08:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P
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Jeremy,

I don't see the direction?? Location is Southhaven, MS? ??
How many rounds flying?
How many classes?? F3P-A & F3P-AM ??

I just don't want to travel far away to fly only once.
Wichita event has only one flying, but I was told that one round is flying the schedule for three times.? Only found it out yesterday.
Only reason to bank the wing was to see one can actually control the plane during the turn.? Rudder turns on flat-foamy seems? too easy?

Vince,

Have you find a place to fly yet?

Ihncheol




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From: JEREMY CHINN <lagrue at hotmail.com>
To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:13:53 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P

Definitely would have been a good idea to include the info, wouldn't it...... : )
?
Al Glenn and I are putting on the Memphis Indoor Classic in January. 
?
More details at this link.
?
http://www.chinnaero.com/2009MemphisIndoorClassic.html


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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:30:25 -0600
From: dunnaway at hbcomm.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P

Where is yours Jeremy?

Joe


JEREMY CHINN wrote: 

Well, then come to my event in January! : )
?
I made plans to attend this one and life has now gotten in the way (graduations....)


________________________________

From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:35:14 -0600
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P

They need to do this in Feb.? Dec. too full of other commitments...
RS



________________________________


Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:03:29 -0800
From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P




How many of you are going to Wichita, KS for the F3P next weekend?

Also, in F3P, why does the circle (turning) needs to have the plane tilted?
There looks like at least a few differences in flying style?compared to actual pattern.

Other than having to tilt the wing for curcle, is there any other differences that F3P specifically has?

Ihncheol
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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Fri Dec 12 14:12:53 2008
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (vicenterc at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:12:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P
Message-ID: <121220082312.984.4942EFF3000101FE000003D822165662760C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net>

No place to fly yet.  You will know if I find one.

--
Vicente "Vince" Bortone

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From: Ihncheol Park <pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net> 

Jeremy,

I don't see the direction?  Location is Southhaven, MS  ??
How many rounds flying?
How many classes?? F3P-A & F3P-AM ??

I just don't want to travel far away to fly only once.
Wichita event has only one flying, but I was told that one round is flying the schedule for three times.  Only found it out yesterday.
Only reason to bank the wing was to see one can actually control the plane during the turn.  Rudder turns on flat-foamy seems  too easy?

Vince,

Have you find a place to fly yet?

Ihncheol





From: JEREMY CHINN <lagrue at hotmail.com>
To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:13:53 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P

Definitely would have been a good idea to include the info, wouldn't it...... : )
 
Al Glenn and I are putting on the Memphis Indoor Classic in January. 
 
More details at this link.
 
http://www.chinnaero.com/2009MemphisIndoorClassic.html





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:30:25 -0600
From: dunnaway at hbcomm.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P

Where is yours Jeremy?

Joe


JEREMY CHINN wrote: 

Well, then come to my event in January! : )
 
I made plans to attend this one and life has now gotten in the way (graduations....)





From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:35:14 -0600
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P

They need to do this in Feb.  Dec. too full of other commitments...
RS







Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:03:29 -0800
From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P




How many of you are going to Wichita, KS for the F3P next weekend?

Also, in F3P, why does the circle (turning) needs to have the plane tilted?
There looks like at least a few differences in flying style compared to actual pattern.

Other than having to tilt the wing for curcle, is there any other differences that F3P specifically has?

Ihncheol



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From lagrue at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 12 18:29:47 2008
From: lagrue at hotmail.com (JEREMY CHINN)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:29:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P
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Yes, Southhaven MS. Its about 5 mins from Memphis, TN. I need to get the link to the map updated this weekend. 
 
Rounds flying?, Not sure yet. Al Glenn is the CD, so after we've finalized it, we'll add it to the site. 
 
Classes are F3P-A and F3PAM only. We won't be running the F3P-C that they are running in KS. 
 
Thanks for the questions! 



Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:08:09 -0800From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P



Jeremy,
 
I don't see the direction?  Location is Southhaven, MS  ??
How many rounds flying?
How many classes?? F3P-A & F3P-AM ??
 
I just don't want to travel far away to fly only once.
Wichita event has only one flying, but I was told that one round is flying the schedule for three times.  Only found it out yesterday.
Only reason to bank the wing was to see one can actually control the plane during the turn.  Rudder turns on flat-foamy seems  too easy?
 
Vince,
 
Have you find a place to fly yet?
 
Ihncheol



From: JEREMY CHINN <lagrue at hotmail.com>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:13:53 PMSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P

Definitely would have been a good idea to include the info, wouldn't it...... : ) Al Glenn and I are putting on the Memphis Indoor Classic in January.  More details at this link. http://www.chinnaero.com/2009MemphisIndoorClassic.html

Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:30:25 -0600From: dunnaway at hbcomm.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3PWhere is yours Jeremy?JoeJEREMY CHINN wrote: 


Well, then come to my event in January! : ) I made plans to attend this one and life has now gotten in the way (graduations....)

From: pamrich47 at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:35:14 -0600Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P

They need to do this in Feb.  Dec. too full of other commitments...RS

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:03:29 -0800From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P



How many of you are going to Wichita, KS for the F3P next weekend?
 
Also, in F3P, why does the circle (turning) needs to have the plane tilted?
There looks like at least a few differences in flying style compared to actual pattern.
 
Other than having to tilt the wing for curcle, is there any other differences that F3P specifically has?
 
Ihncheol

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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 13 07:31:59 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:31:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
Message-ID: <BAY128-W34B4B6F1AB69694017A47BA0F60@phx.gbl>



I am in the market for one airframe only and would prefer an E type.  Does not have to be perfect, but decent. OK, I like their looks and want to try one.....
 
Thanks,
 
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From trexlesh at msn.com  Sat Dec 13 08:09:26 2008
From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:09:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
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Richard Contact Troy Newman...  He's the only person I know of that has an "E" type Pinnacle.  The Pinnacles you see advertised are not designed specifically forE power.  Troy had a few made for himself. Rex

From: pamrich47 at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:31:55 -0600Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle


I am in the market for one airframe only and would prefer an E type.  Does not have to be perfect, but decent. OK, I like their looks and want to try one..... Thanks, Richard (pamrich47 at hotmail.com) 

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From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net  Sat Dec 13 08:59:06 2008
From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:59:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
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I happen to have an E Pinnacle that I would like to sell.  The dear plate has been repaired.  It is in excellent flying condition.   Where are you located?  Shipping is always the hardest problem for me.

George
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From vanputte at cox.net  Sat Dec 13 09:25:14 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:25:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
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I just figured out via the NSRCA member search that you're in Lake  
Charles, LA.

Ron VP

On Dec 13, 2008, at 11:59 AM, glmiller3 at suddenlink.net wrote:

> I happen to have an E Pinnacle that I would like to sell.  The dear  
> plate has been repaired.  It is in excellent flying condition.    
> Where are you located?  Shipping is always the hardest problem for me.
>
> George
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From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net  Sat Dec 13 09:32:18 2008
From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:32:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
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Sorry, that should be "gear plate".

G
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From mwickizer at msn.com  Sat Dec 13 09:34:02 2008
From: mwickizer at msn.com (Michael Wickizer)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:34:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
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I've got Brett's Beryll from the 2007 season that I would like to sell.  The plane had minor damage from a mid-air but was expertly fixed, makes weight and was flown to 6th place in the 2007 FAI finals.  I have both straight and anhedral stabs for it.

Mike Wickizer
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:31:55 -0600
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle









I am in the market for one airframe only and would prefer an E type.  Does not have to be perfect, but decent. OK, I like their looks and want to try one.....

 

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From schale at optonline.net  Sat Dec 13 11:14:25 2008
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:14:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 13 11:27:33 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:27:33 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
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Hi Mike,
 
Do you havw a pic or two?  Any idea on price and shipping?  Wonder if they can go by BUS?
 
Thanks,
 
Richard



From: mwickizer at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:34:01 -0600Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle

I've got Brett's Beryll from the 2007 season that I would like to sell.  The plane had minor damage from a mid-air but was expertly fixed, makes weight and was flown to 6th place in the 2007 FAI finals.  I have both straight and anhedral stabs for it.Mike Wickizer



From: pamrich47 at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:31:55 -0600Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle


I am in the market for one airframe only and would prefer an E type.  Does not have to be perfect, but decent. OK, I like their looks and want to try one..... Thanks, Richard (pamrich47 at hotmail.com) 

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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 13 11:29:19 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:29:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
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oops  meant for that to go direct!

From: pamrich47 at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:27:29 -0600Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle

Hi Mike, Do you havw a pic or two?  Any idea on price and shipping?  Wonder if they can go by BUS? Thanks, Richard

From: mwickizer at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:34:01 -0600Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle

I've got Brett's Beryll from the 2007 season that I would like to sell.  The plane had minor damage from a mid-air but was expertly fixed, makes weight and was flown to 6th place in the 2007 FAI finals.  I have both straight and anhedral stabs for it.Mike Wickizer

From: pamrich47 at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:31:55 -0600Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle


I am in the market for one airframe only and would prefer an E type.  Does not have to be perfect, but decent. OK, I like their looks and want to try one..... Thanks, Richard (pamrich47 at hotmail.com) 

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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 13 11:46:19 2008
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:46:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
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Troy sold his to Tom Messer, who sold it to Steve Hannah. It was destroyed in a mid air last month. Was a very nice flying plane!! 


Chris 
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--- On Sat, 12/13/08, Rex <trexlesh at msn.com> wrote:

From: Rex <trexlesh at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
To: "NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 9:09 AM




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?
Contact Troy Newman...? He's the only person I know of that has an "E" type 
Pinnacle.? The Pinnacles you see advertised are not designed specifically for
E power.? Troy had a few made for himself.
?
Rex





From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:31:55 -0600
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle




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?
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?
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From rob at koolsoft.com  Sat Dec 13 15:53:07 2008
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:53:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
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I'm pretty sure Troy sold his only E Pinnacle and I believe it was the
one involved in the mid-air with Alex at the D7 championships.

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

-

 

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Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle

 

Richard
 
Contact Troy Newman...  He's the only person I know of that has an "E"
type 
Pinnacle.  The Pinnacles you see advertised are not designed
specifically for
E power.  Troy had a few made for himself.
 
Rex



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From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:31:55 -0600
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle



I am in the market for one airframe only and would prefer an E type.
Does not have to be perfect, but decent. OK, I like their looks and want
to try one.....
 
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From paul.horan at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 15 05:55:54 2008
From: paul.horan at sbcglobal.net (Paul Horan)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:55:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 145 AAC & 145 R difference ?
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Can anyone tell me the difference between the Webra 145 AAC (Red head) and the Webra 145 R (Blackhead "racing") ?
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 15 06:45:48 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:45:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 145 AAC & 145 R difference ?(off
 subject)
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Speaking of Webras--I've got 2 1/2 Bullys(Modified Webra 145 REs with twin plug heads and pumps) and a Bolly pipe/muffler.  The engines were recirculated as backups a few years ago--but never got rebuilt.  The 1/2 is all the parts left over out of one that threw a rod.  there should be enough parts to come out with one good engine--but I would put in new bearings.  All three heads, cranks, carbs and pumps are good. Pipe is perfect and looks like new... $100.00 for all and I'll ship it free.  They are old friends and need to go to a good home....
RS




Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:55:51 -0800From: paul.horan at sbcglobal.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 145 AAC & 145 R difference ?












Can anyone tell me the difference between the Webra 145 AAC (Red head) and the Webra 145 R (Blackhead "racing") ?
Thanks
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From lightfoot at sc.rr.com  Mon Dec 15 06:50:32 2008
From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:50:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS140RX Rear Bearing
Message-ID: <51884B65DA8F435D95734A4A64E58F3E@jaysdesktop>

I am getting ready to change the rear bearing to a FI type. Does anyone have
any special procedures that I should be aware of?

 

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From wilsorc at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 07:11:18 2008
From: wilsorc at gmail.com (Bob Wilson)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:11:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS140RX Rear Bearing
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Hi Jay,
I changed the bearing in my 120AX (which is the same size).  With the back
plate off, the crankshaft, connecting rod, piston and liner removed I heated
the engine in the oven to 300? for about 10 minutes.

I carefully banged the engine on a block of wood and the bearing fell right
out.

Bob Wilson

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>  I am getting ready to change the rear bearing to a FI type. Does anyone
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From jim.woodward at baesystems.com  Mon Dec 15 07:23:59 2008
From: jim.woodward at baesystems.com (Woodward, Jim (US SSA))
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:23:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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Hi Guys,

 

What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
designs?  When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.  A couple years
later the Smaragd was designed.  I see a lot of planes have been
designed off the Smaragd platform.  I think the PassPort is a heck of a
plane.

 

What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the years
that have transformed pattern aircraft design?  In the last nine years,
I'd say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.

 

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From aabdu at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 15 07:54:48 2008
From: aabdu at sbcglobal.net (Anthony Abdullah)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:54:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
In-Reply-To: <COL117-W26B720079679A0CFF94A4BBAF60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <487799.2283.qm@web82108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Michael,
I would be intersted in Brett's old Beryll if you don't get any takers.
?
Contact me off list
?
Anthony Abdullah
AAbdu at sbcglobal.net

--- On Sat, 12/13/08, Michael Wickizer <mwickizer at msn.com> wrote:

From: Michael Wickizer <mwickizer at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 1:34 PM




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I've got Brett's Beryll from the 2007 season that I would like to sell.? The plane had minor damage from a mid-air but was expertly fixed, makes weight and was flown to 6th place in the 2007 FAI finals.? I have both straight and anhedral stabs for it.

Mike Wickizer


From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:31:55 -0600
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pinnacle



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I am in the market for one airframe only and would prefer an E type.? Does not have to be perfect, but decent. OK, I like their looks and want to try one.....
?
Thanks,
?
Richard (pamrich47 at hotmail.com) 



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From tkeithblack at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 08:24:05 2008
From: tkeithblack at gmail.com (Keith Black)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:24:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 145 AAC & 145 R difference ?
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The AAC had an aluminum sleeve and was lighter, don't recall the weight
difference.

 

Keith Black

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Paul Horan
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:56 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 145 AAC & 145 R difference ?

 



Can anyone tell me the difference between the Webra 145 AAC (Red head) and
the Webra 145 R (Blackhead "racing") ?

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From seefo at san.rr.com  Mon Dec 15 09:09:59 2008
From: seefo at san.rr.com (Doug Cronkhite)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:09:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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Curare
Jekyll
FYG Leaf
Hydeout
Smaragd
Double Vision



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On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:23 AM, "Woodward, Jim \(US SSA\)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com 
 > wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal  
> pattern designs?  When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.  A  
> couple years later the Smaragd was designed.  I see a lot of planes  
> have been designed off the Smaragd platform.  I think the PassPort  
> is a heck of a plane.
>
>
>
> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the  
> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design?  In the last  
> nine years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim W.
>
>
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From getterflash at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 15 10:00:31 2008
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:00:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
References: <7b4dai$bafvm@dmzms99901.na.baesystems.com>
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Kaos

 Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com




________________________________
From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

 
Hi Guys,
 
What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
designs?  When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.  A couple
years later the Smaragd was designed.  I see a lot of planes have been
designed off the Smaragd platform.  I think the PassPort is a heck of a
plane.
 
What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
years that have transformed pattern aircraft design?  In the last nine
years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
 
Thanks,
JimW.


      
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 15 10:41:20 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:41:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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I wonder if you could include the Suprafly and the original Focus--both good flying ARFs...?
RS



Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:00:28 -0800From: getterflash at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


Kaos
 Bob Kanegetterflash at yahoo.com




From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AMSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs



Hi Guys,
 
What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern designs?  When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.  A couple years later the Smaragd was designed.  I see a lot of planes have been designed off the Smaragd platform.  I think the PassPort is a heck of a plane.
 
What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the years that have transformed pattern aircraft design?  In the last nine years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
 
Thanks,
Jim W. 
 
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From jonlowe at aol.com  Mon Dec 15 10:41:32 2008
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:41:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <43954.75897.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything up 
until then had been a high wing airplane.
Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At 
one point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit, 
excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really 
established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 
and 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave 
Brown, Mike McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 
10, because they were never kitted, and were very early turn around 
style airplanes.  I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and 
still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.

Jon Lowe


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs










Kaos

?
Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com






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From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monda
y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs















Hi Guys,



 ?



What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
designs?? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.? A couple
years later the Smaragd was designed.? I see a lot of planes have been
designed off the Smaragd platform.? I think the PassPort is a heck of a
plane.



 ?



What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
years that have transformed pattern aircraft design?? In the last nine
years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.



 ?



Thanks,



Jim W.



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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 15 11:02:19 2008
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (billglaze)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:02:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and 
one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog, 
(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good 
flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare to 
the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the big deal 
is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized the 
contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.

Bill Glaze
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything up 
> until then had been a high wing airplane.
> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At one 
> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit, 
> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really 
> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 and 
> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, Mike 
> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because 
> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style airplanes. 
> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and 
> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>
> Jon Lowe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kaos
>
>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monda
> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
> plane.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Jim W.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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>
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From adriancwong at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 15 11:25:00 2008
From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:25:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
Message-ID: <30150314.1229372696573.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli

-----Original Message-----
>From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and 
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog, 
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good 
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare to 
>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the big deal 
>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized the 
>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
>
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything up 
>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At one 
>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit, 
>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really 
>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 and 
>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, Mike 
>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because 
>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style airplanes. 
>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and 
>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>
>> Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaos
>>
>>
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monda
>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>> plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim W.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion 
>
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Mon Dec 15 11:38:10 2008
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:38:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <30150314.1229372696573.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <30150314.1229372696573.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CBD9E1DD97EA4F51BA4ACC37FD0EE2AA@Tony>

Rhett Miller's Compensator....   

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
adriancwong at earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli

-----Original Message-----
>From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and 
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog, 
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good 
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare
to 
>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the big deal 
>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized
the 
>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
>
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything up 
>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At
one 
>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit, 
>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really 
>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 and

>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, Mike

>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because 
>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style airplanes. 
>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and 
>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>
>> Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaos
>>
>>
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monda
>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>> plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim W.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion 
>
>
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Mon Dec 15 11:39:06 2008
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:39:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <30150314.1229372696573.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <30150314.1229372696573.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <571117A52826482F91BCE0D56A328055@Tony>

Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe
system..

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
adriancwong at earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli

-----Original Message-----
>From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and 
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog, 
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good 
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare
to 
>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the big deal 
>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized
the 
>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
>
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything up 
>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At
one 
>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit, 
>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really 
>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 and

>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, Mike

>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because 
>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style airplanes. 
>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and 
>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>
>> Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaos
>>
>>
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monda
>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>> plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim W.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion 
>
>
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From cahochhalter at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 15 11:51:01 2008
From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com (Charles Hochhalter)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:51:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <571117A52826482F91BCE0D56A328055@Tony>
Message-ID: <656071.49914.qm@web83204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?? 

--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM

Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe
system..

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
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-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
adriancwong at earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli

-----Original Message-----
>From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and 
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog
Hog, 
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good 
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't
compare
to 
>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the
big deal 
>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure
revolutionized
the 
>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
>
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything
up 
>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At
one 
>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top
Flight kit, 
>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it
really 
>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7
and

>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave
Brown, Mike

>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,
because 
>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style
airplanes. 
>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern
plane, and 
>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>
>> Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaos
>>
>>
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"
<jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monda
>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal
pattern
>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>> plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim W.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>>
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 15 11:56:11 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:56:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <571117A52826482F91BCE0D56A328055@Tony>
References: <30150314.1229372696573.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Or how about the epitome of ballistic pattern--the EU-1A--plywood planked wing cores, Rossi .61 RE with un-muffled tuned pipe--and Kraft electric retracts...
RS> From: tony at radiosouthrc.com> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:39:00 -0500> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs> > Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe> system..> > Tony Stillman, President> Radio South, Inc.> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322> Brunswick, GA 31525> 1-800-962-7802> www.radiosouthrc.com> > -----Original Message-----> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of> adriancwong at earthlink.net> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM> To: General pattern discussion> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs> > Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli> > -----Original Message-----> >From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>> >Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM> >To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs> >> >Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and > >one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog, > >(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas. Good > >flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare> to > >the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said: "I don't know what the big deal > >is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog." Maybe. But, it sure revolutionized> the > >contest world, at the time. If you wanted to win, you had one. Period.> >> >Bill Glaze> >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>> >To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> >Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs> >> >> >> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane. Everything up > >> until then had been a high wing airplane.> >> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski first really high performance pattern plane> >> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At> one > >> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus. The Top Flight kit, > >> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.> >> The Phoenix 1-8 series. Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really > >> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 and> > >> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, Mike> > >> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because > >> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style airplanes. > >> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.> >> I have to agree with the Kaos. It was "everymans" pattern plane, and > >> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.> >>> >> Jon Lowe> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>> >> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> >> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Kaos> >>> >>> >> Bob Kane> >> getterflash at yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------> >> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>> >> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> >> Sent: Monda> >> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM> >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Hi Guys,> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern> >> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple> >> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been> >> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a> >> plane.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the> >> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine> >> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Thanks,> >>> >>> >>> >> Jim W.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > >> >> >_______________________________________________> >NSRCA-discussion mailing list> >NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:03:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a little b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes...

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800From: cahochhalter at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs



Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?  --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:
From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designsTo: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PMAlso, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe
system..

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
adriancwong at earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli

-----Original Message-----
>From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and 
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog
Hog, 
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good 
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't
compare
to 
>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the
big deal 
>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure
revolutionized
the 
>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
>
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything
up 
>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At
one 
>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top
Flight kit, 
>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it
really 
>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7
and

>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave
Brown, Mike

>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,
because 
>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style
airplanes. 
>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern
plane, and 
>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>
>> Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaos
>>
>>
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"
<jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monda
>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal
pattern
>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>> plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim W.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From jim.woodward at baesystems.com  Mon Dec 15 12:08:29 2008
From: jim.woodward at baesystems.com (Woodward, Jim (US SSA))
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:08:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W9D6CDE591CBC3F21EB744A0F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7b4e7t$b3in1@dmzms99902.na.baesystems.com>

What about the Japanese?  Was there a first Japanese plane that started
to shape designs?  I remember Jerry talking about Dean's belt drive
plane one time.  That must have been revolutionary for sure.  

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PM
To: cahochhalter at yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSION
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

 

Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a little
b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes...

________________________________

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800
From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?  

--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM

Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned
pipe
system..
 
Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
adriancwong at earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
 
Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
 
-----Original Message-----
>From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
> 
>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) ,
and 
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog
Hog, 
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.
Good 
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't
compare
to 
>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the
big deal 
>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure
revolutionized
the 
>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.
Period.
> 
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
> 
> 
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything
up 
>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times.
At
one 
>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top
Flight kit, 
>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it
really 
>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7
and
 
>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave
Brown, Mike
 
>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,
because 
>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style
airplanes. 
>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern
plane, and 
>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>> 
>> Jon Lowe
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kaos
>> 
>> 
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"
<jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monda
>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Guys,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal
pattern
>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of
a
>> plane.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim W.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
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From: seefo at san.rr.com (Doug Cronkhite)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:46:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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Hmm..

Atlanta
Blue Angel



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On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:08 PM, "Woodward, Jim \(US SSA\)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com 
 > wrote:

> What about the Japanese?  Was there a first Japanese plane that  
> started to shape designs?  I remember Jerry talking about Dean?s bel 
> t drive plane one time.  That must have been revolutionary for sure.
>
>
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Richard Strickland
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PM
> To: cahochhalter at yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSION
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>
> Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a  
> little b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes...
>
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800
> From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
> Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?
>
> --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:
>
> From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM
>
> Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed  
> tuned pipe
> system..
>
> Tony Stillman, President
> Radio South, Inc.
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> Brunswick, GA  31525
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> adriancwong at earthlink.net
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
> Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
> >Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
> >To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
> >
> >Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred  
> Dunn) , and
> >one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog
> Hog,
> >(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.   
> Good
> >flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't
> compare
> to
> >the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the
> big deal
> >is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure
> revolutionized
> the
> >contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.   
> Period.
> >
> >Bill Glaze
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
> >To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
> >
> >
> >> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.   
> Everything
> up
> >> until then had been a high wing airplane.
> >> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
> >> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all  
> times. At
> one
> >> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top
> Flight kit,
> >> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
> >> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it
> really
> >> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5,  
> 6, 7
> and
>
> >> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave
> Brown, Mike
>
> >> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,
> because
> >> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style
> airplanes.
> >> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
> >> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern
> plane, and
> >> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
> >>
> >> Jon Lowe
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> >> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kaos
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob Kane
> >> getterflash at yahoo.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"
> <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
> >> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> Sent: Monda
> >> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
> >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Guys,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal
> pattern
> >> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
> >> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have  
> been
> >> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck  
> of a
> >> plane.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
> >> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last  
> nine
> >> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim W.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Mon Dec 15 12:48:20 2008
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:48:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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Probably the first one was Yoshioka's Blue Angel that he won the WC with.
Early on, the Japanese were more of a copy-cat designer, using the USA as
the design base (Phoenix and such) but later became innovators.  

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Woodward, Jim
(US SSA)
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:08 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

 

What about the Japanese?  Was there a first Japanese plane that started to
shape designs?  I remember Jerry talking about Dean's belt drive plane one
time.  That must have been revolutionary for sure.  

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PM
To: cahochhalter at yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSION
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

 

Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a little
b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes...

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800
From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?  

--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM

Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe
system..
 
Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
adriancwong at earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
 
Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
 
-----Original Message-----
>From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
> 
>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and 
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog
Hog, 
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good 
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't
compare
to 
>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the
big deal 
>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure
revolutionized
the 
>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
> 
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
> 
> 
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything
up 
>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At
one 
>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top
Flight kit, 
>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it
really 
>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7
and
 
>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave
Brown, Mike
 
>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,
because 
>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style
airplanes. 
>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern
plane, and 
>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>> 
>> Jon Lowe
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kaos
>> 
>> 
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"
<jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monda
>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Guys,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal
pattern
>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>> plane.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim W.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 15 12:55:20 2008
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:55:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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?Norm Page's Mach1.? They were ballistic for their time. The wing was revoulutionary. Mike

--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:

From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:08 PM








What about the Japanese?? Was there a first Japanese plane that started to shape designs?? I remember Jerry talking about Dean?s belt drive plane one time.? That must have been revolutionary for sure.? 
?


From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard Strickland
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PM
To: cahochhalter at yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSION
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
?
Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just?a little b/4..? Curare might have been the first with speed brakes...



Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800
From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs




Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?? 

--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:
From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PMAlso, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipesystem.. ?Tony Stillman, PresidentRadio South, Inc.139 Altama Connector, Box 322Brunswick, GA? 315251-800-962-7802www.radiosouthrc.com ?-----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Ofadriancwong at earthlink.netSent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs ?Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli ?-----Original Message----->From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs> ?>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and >one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's SmogHog, >(note the
 name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.? Good >flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn'tcompareto >the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:? "I don't know what thebig deal >is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."? Maybe.? But, it surerevolutionizedthe >contest world, at the time.? If you wanted to win, you had one.? Period.> ?>Bill Glaze>----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs> ?> ?>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.? Everythingup >> until then had been a high wing airplane.>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski? first really high performance pattern plane>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. Atone >> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.? The TopFlight kit, >> excellent for its day,
 helped to make it popular.>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.? Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but itreally >> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7and ?>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including DaveBrown, Mike ?>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,because >> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around styleairplanes. >> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.>> I have to agree with the Kaos.? It was "everymans" patternplane, and >> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.>> ?>> Jon Lowe>> ?>> ?>> -----Original Message----->> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>>> To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> Kaos>> ?>> ?>> Bob Kane>> getterflash at yahoo.com>> ?>> ?>> ?>>
 ?>> ?>> ?>> ------------------------------------------------------------>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"<jim.woodward at baesystems.com>>> To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Monda>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> Hi Guys,>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotalpattern>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a>> plane.>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.>>
 ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> Thanks,>> ?>> ?>> ?>> Jim W.>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> _______________________________________________>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?>> _______________________________________________>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > ?> ?>_______________________________________________>NSRCA-discussion mailing list>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ?_______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ?_______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 15 13:33:12 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:33:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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Regarding Dean's belt drive--we were all also trying to be quiet along with figuring out 'turnaround' pattern.  He had this hand carved wide EIGHTEEN inch prop(he called it a club, I think--HUGE in those days) on it.  Was the talk of the contest that year.  Von Linsowe showed up with some huge, slow thing--can't remember its name--and around then, Frac had some kind of larger, but nice flying bipe.  Lots of innovation just before the switch to 2M...  and then I took a ten year sabbatical.....
RS



Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800From: mups1953 at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs



 Norm Page's Mach1.  They were ballistic for their time. The wing was revoulutionary. Mike--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:
From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designsTo: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:08 PM




What about the Japanese?  Was there a first Japanese plane that started to shape designs?  I remember Jerry talking about Dean?s belt drive plane one time.  That must have been revolutionary for sure.  
 


From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard StricklandSent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PMTo: cahochhalter at yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSIONSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

 

Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a little b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes...




Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800From: cahochhalter at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs





Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?  --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designsTo: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM
Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipesystem..  Tony Stillman, PresidentRadio South, Inc.139 Altama Connector, Box 322Brunswick, GA  315251-800-962-7802www.radiosouthrc.com  -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Ofadriancwong at earthlink.netSent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
 Pattern plane designs  Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli  -----Original Message----->From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>  >Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and >one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's SmogHog, >(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good >flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn'tcompareto >the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what thebig deal >is; it's just a low-wing Smog
 Hog."  Maybe.  But, it surerevolutionizedthe >contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.>  >Bill Glaze>----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>  >  >> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everythingup >> until then had been a high wing airplane.>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. Atone >> point, everyone had
 built a "modified" Taurus.  The TopFlight kit, >> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but itreally >> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7and  >> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including DaveBrown, Mike  >> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,because >> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around styleairplanes. >> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" patternplane, and >> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.>>
  >> Jon Lowe>>  >>  >> -----Original Message----->> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>>> To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> Kaos>>  >>  >> Bob Kane>> getterflash at yahoo.com>>  >>  >>  >>  >>
  >>  >> ------------------------------------------------------------>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"<jim.woodward at baesystems.com>>> To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Monda>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> Hi Guys,>>  >>  >>
  >>  >>  >>  >> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotalpattern>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a>> plane.>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.>>  >>  >>
  >>  >>  >>  >> Thanks,>>  >>  >>  >> Jim W.>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> _______________________________________________>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
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From: seefo at san.rr.com (seefo at san.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:11:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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The FYG Leaf was designed by Ken Bonema and Tony F (not sure how much of who did what there) and Tony flew it, quite successfully, on not enough power.

The name comes (as I understand it) from the phrase "F%#@ You Guys" when people told them a bipe would never work. Considering what won the WC, I'd say it was just ahead of its time.



From Pattrnflyr at aol.com  Mon Dec 15 14:11:31 2008
From: Pattrnflyr at aol.com (Pattrnflyr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:11:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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How about almost anything by Dick Hanson?  I am still flying a Typhoon  909 
and I love it.
 
 
In a message dated 12/15/2008 1:26:14 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
adriancwong at earthlink.net writes:

Phil  Kraft's Kwik Fli

-----Original Message-----
>From: billglaze  <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>To:  General pattern discussion  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>Just  before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and  
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog  Hog, 
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in  Dallas.  Good 
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to  win) but couldn't compare 
to 
>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always  said:  "I don't know what the big deal 
>is; it's just a low-wing  Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized 
the 
>contest  world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.   Period.
>
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message -----  
>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>To:  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15,  2008 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane  designs
>
>
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing  pattern plane.  Everything up 
>> until then had been a high  wing airplane.
>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high  performance pattern plane
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built  pattern planes of all times. At 
one 
>> point, everyone had built a  "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit, 
>> excellent for its  day, helped to make it popular.
>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.   Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really 
>> established moderately  swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 and 
>> 8's were flown  by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, Mike 
>>  McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because  
>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style  airplanes. 
>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever  built.
>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans"  pattern plane, and 
>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style  version.
>>
>> Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kane  <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008  1:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane  designs
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>>  getterflash at yahoo.com
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>>  ------------------------------------------------------------
>> From:  "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>> To:  General pattern discussion  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monda
>>  y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Breakthrough Pattern plane  designs
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>>  Hi  Guys,
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal  pattern
>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A  couple
>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes  have been
>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort  is a heck of a
>>  plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>>  years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last  nine
>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational  plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim  W.
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From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
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I think you are correct on all counts... It was an interesting time.  Can you imagine anyone even suggesting electric then?!  So where does that fit in and who really had the first competitive pattern airplane---and what was it...?
 
Richard



Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:51:12 -0500From: schale at optonline.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designsTony F had the Fygleaf I believe.  Not sure of the reason for the name.Didn't Dave have the USA Star.  I Seem to remember that he had his own carbon fiber props.  They were pretty wide.  He could make the FAI pattern large or small enough to fit in a schoolyard and still look good.  I remember him playing during practice making a very small pattern that still looked good.  Strong wind too.Stuart C.Richard Strickland wrote: 


Regarding Dean's belt drive--we were all also trying to be quiet along with figuring out 'turnaround' pattern.  He had this hand carved wide EIGHTEEN inch prop(he called it a club, I think--HUGE in those days) on it.  Was the talk of the contest that year.  Von Linsowe showed up with some huge, slow thing--can't remember its name--and around then, Frac had some kind of larger, but nice flying bipe.  Lots of innovation just before the switch to 2M...  and then I took a ten year sabbatical.....RS

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800From: mups1953 at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs



 Norm Page's Mach1.  They were ballistic for their time. The wing was revoulutionary. Mike--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:
From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designsTo: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:08 PM




What about the Japanese?  Was there a first Japanese plane that started to shape designs?  I remember Jerry talking about Dean?s belt drive plane one time.  That must have been revolutionary for sure.  
 


From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard StricklandSent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PMTo: cahochhalter at yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSIONSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
  
Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a little b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes... 



Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800From: cahochhalter at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs 




Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?  --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote: 
From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designsTo: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipesystem..  Tony Stillman, PresidentRadio South, Inc.139 Altama Connector, Box 322Brunswick, GA  315251-800-962-7802www.radiosouthrc.com  -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Ofadriancwong at earthlink.netSent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
 Pattern plane designs  Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli  -----Original Message----->From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>  >Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and >one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's SmogHog, >(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good >flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn'tcompareto >the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what thebig deal >is; it's just a low-wing Smog
 Hog."  Maybe.  But, it surerevolutionizedthe >contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.>  >Bill Glaze>----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>  >  >> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everythingup >> until then had been a high wing airplane.>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. Atone >> point, everyone had
 built a "modified" Taurus.  The TopFlight kit, >> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but itreally >> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7and  >> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including DaveBrown, Mike  >> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,because >> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around styleairplanes. >> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" patternplane, and >> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.>>
  >> Jon Lowe>>  >>  >> -----Original Message----->> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>>> To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> Kaos>>  >>  >> Bob Kane>> getterflash at yahoo.com>>  >>  >>  >>  >>
  >>  >> ------------------------------------------------------------>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"<jim.woodward at baesystems.com>>> To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Monda>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> Hi Guys,>>  >>  >>
  >>  >>  >>  >> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotalpattern>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a>> plane.>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.>>  >>  >>
  >>  >>  >>  >> Thanks,>>  >>  >>  >> Jim W.>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> _______________________________________________>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Mon Dec 15 14:26:40 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:26:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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Here's my really poor attempt at it.

A pilot from the Netherlands (never remember who) flew an electric in the 91
WC's. Von tried to get a USA Star to work on electric for those worlds as
well but lack of power doomed it. Michael Rammel (sp) has been flying
competitive electric in Germany for many years. I was the sucker to try it
again at the 93 WC's

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:17 PM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


  I think you are correct on all counts... It was an interesting time.  Can
you imagine anyone even suggesting electric then?!  So where does that fit
in and who really had the first competitive pattern airplane---and what was
it...?

  Richard



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  Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:51:12 -0500
  From: schale at optonline.net
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

  Tony F had the Fygleaf I believe.  Not sure of the reason for the name.
  Didn't Dave have the USA Star.  I Seem to remember that he had his own
carbon fiber props.  They were pretty wide.  He could make the FAI pattern
large or small enough to fit in a schoolyard and still look good.  I
remember him playing during practice making a very small pattern that still
looked good.  Strong wind too.

  Stuart C.

  Richard Strickland wrote:

    Regarding Dean's belt drive--we were all also trying to be quiet along
with figuring out 'turnaround' pattern.  He had this hand carved wide
EIGHTEEN inch prop(he called it a club, I think--HUGE in those days) on it.
Was the talk of the contest that year.  Von Linsowe showed up with some
huge, slow thing--can't remember its name--and around then, Frac had some
kind of larger, but nice flying bipe.  Lots of innovation just before the
switch to 2M...  and then I took a ten year sabbatical.....
    RS



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    Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800
    From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
    To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


           Norm Page's Mach1.  They were ballistic for their time. The wing
was revoulutionary. Mike

          --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:

            From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
            Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane
designs
            To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
            Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:08 PM


            What about the Japanese?  Was there a first Japanese plane that
started to shape designs?  I remember Jerry talking about Dean?s belt drive
plane one time.  That must have been revolutionary for sure.



            From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
            Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PM
            To: cahochhalter at yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSION
            Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane
designs



            Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just
a little b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes...


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            Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800
            From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com
            To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
            Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane
designs

                  Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?

                  --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

                  From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
                  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane
designs
                  To: "'General pattern discussion'"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
                  Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM

Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned
pipesystem..  Tony Stillman, PresidentRadio South, Inc.139 Altama Connector,
Box 322Brunswick, GA  315251-800-962-7802www.radiosouthrc.com  -----Original
Message-----From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lis
ts.nsrca.org] On Behalf Ofadriancwong at earthlink.netSent: Monday, December
15, 2008 3:25 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
 Pattern plane designs  Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli  -----Original
Message----->From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008
3:02 PM>To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>  >Just before the Astro Hog, (designed
by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and >one of which I am currently
building),there was Howard Bonner's SmogHog, >(note the name similarity)
which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good >flying airplane, for it's
time, (good enough to win) but couldn'tcompareto >the Astro Hog, of which
Fred always said:  "I don't know what thebig deal >is; it's just a low-wing
Smog
 Hog."  Maybe.  But, it surerevolutionizedthe >contest world, at the time.
If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.>  >Bill Glaze>----- Original
Message ----- >From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>>To:
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41
PM>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>  >
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everythingup >>
until then had been a high wing airplane.>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first
really high performance pattern plane>> Taurus- arguably one of the most
built pattern planes of all times. Atone >> point, everyone had
 built a "modified" Taurus.  The TopFlight kit, >> excellent for its day,
helped to make it popular.>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm
prejudiced, but itreally >> established moderately swept wings as a
standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7and  >> 8's were flown by most of the great US
flyers, including DaveBrown, Mike  >> McConville, and others. I'm not
including the Phoenix 9 and 10,because >> they were never kitted, and were
very early turn around styleairplanes. >> I have a 9, and my dad has the
only 10 ever built.>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans"
patternplane, and >> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.>>
  >> Jon Lowe>>  >>  >> -----Original Message----->> From: Bob Kane
<getterflash at yahoo.com>>> To: General pattern
discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00
pm>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>>
>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> Kaos>>  >>  >> Bob Kane>>
getterflash at yahoo.com>>  >>  >>  >>  >>
  >>  >> ------------------------------------------------------------>>
From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"<jim.woodward at baesystems.com>>> To: General
pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Monda>> y,
December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
Pattern plane designs>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>
>>  >> Hi Guys,>>  >>  >>
  >>  >>  >>  >> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or
pivotalpattern>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A
couple>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have
been>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of
a>> plane.>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> What do you guys think have been some
break-out designs over the>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft
design? In the last nine>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most
transformational plane.>>  >>  >>
  >>  >>  >>  >> Thanks,>>  >>  >>  >> Jim W.>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Mon Dec 15 14:27:05 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:27:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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APC PROPS!!!!!!!

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  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Woodward, Jim
(US SSA)
  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:24 AM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


  Hi Guys,



  What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
designs?  When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.  A couple years
later the Smaragd was designed.  I see a lot of planes have been designed
off the Smaragd platform.  I think the PassPort is a heck of a plane.



  What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the years
that have transformed pattern aircraft design?  In the last nine years, I?d
say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.



  Thanks,

  Jim W.



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From rob at koolsoft.com  Mon Dec 15 14:32:21 2008
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:32:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNGEBADAAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
References: <BAY128-W46B52CD3482E964E1B3740A0F40@phx.gbl>
	<PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNGEBADAAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD639@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>

	I want to see if there is interest in a model file editor that
will open model files from Futaba
<http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=6405>
14MZ/12Z/12FG and/or JR 9303/10x/12x and allow editing and/or converting
between any of those radios. If anyone is interested in such a utility,
please let me know here. I would also need to know if anyone would be
interested in helping test such a utility during development. 
	
	The utility would be able to do the following 
	
	1. Read .mdl files from Futaba 14MZ/12Z directly from memory
card 
	2. Read .mdl files from Futaba 12FG after user moved file from
memory card to harddrive using other available utilities. 
	3. Read model files from JR 9303/10x/12x after user moved files
from radio using the PC link. 
	4. Allow editing all model files (to the extend I can decypher) 
	5. Convert model files from/to any of the above radio formats 
	6. Maintain database of model files and history of specific
model files. 
	7. Generate XML file detailing model file definitions. 
	
	+ any other good features you guys can come up with. 
	
	I already have a good headstart on the Futaba file format and
can already make changes to that format. Its simply a matter of mapping
the location of all the radio features. 
	
	Let me know....

	 

	 

	- Robert Beaubien

	- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

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From burtona at atmc.net  Mon Dec 15 14:34:45 2008
From: burtona at atmc.net (Dave Burton)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:34:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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Dave Von L. was flying an electric USA Star and almost took it to the WC one
year. Made a last minute decision not to as I remember him saying.

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:17 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

 

I think you are correct on all counts... It was an interesting time.  Can
you imagine anyone even suggesting electric then?!  So where does that fit
in and who really had the first competitive pattern airplane---and what was
it...?
 
Richard



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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:51:12 -0500
From: schale at optonline.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Tony F had the Fygleaf I believe.  Not sure of the reason for the name.
Didn't Dave have the USA Star.  I Seem to remember that he had his own
carbon fiber props.  They were pretty wide.  He could make the FAI pattern
large or small enough to fit in a schoolyard and still look good.  I
remember him playing during practice making a very small pattern that still
looked good.  Strong wind too.

Stuart C.

Richard Strickland wrote: 



Regarding Dean's belt drive--we were all also trying to be quiet along with
figuring out 'turnaround' pattern.  He had this hand carved wide EIGHTEEN
inch prop(he called it a club, I think--HUGE in those days) on it.  Was the
talk of the contest that year.  Von Linsowe showed up with some huge, slow
thing--can't remember its name--and around then, Frac had some kind of
larger, but nice flying bipe.  Lots of innovation just before the switch to
2M...  and then I took a ten year sabbatical.....
RS



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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs




 Norm Page's Mach1.  They were ballistic for their time. The wing was
revoulutionary. Mike

--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<mailto:jim.woodward at baesystems.com> <jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:

From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA)  <mailto:jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
<jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
To: "General pattern discussion"  <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:08 PM

What about the Japanese?  Was there a first Japanese plane that started to
shape designs?  I remember Jerry talking about Dean's belt drive plane one
time.  That must have been revolutionary for sure.  

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PM
To: cahochhalter at yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSION
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

  

Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a little
b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes... 

  _____  

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800
From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs 


Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?  

--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony  <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
<tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote: 

From: Tony  <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com> <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
To: "'General pattern discussion'"
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM 

Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe
system..
  
Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> 
  
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
adriancwong at earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
 Pattern plane designs
  
Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
  
-----Original Message-----
>From: billglaze  <mailto:billglaze at bellsouth.net> <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>To: General pattern discussion  <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>  
>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and 
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog
Hog, 
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good 
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't
compare
to 
>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the
big deal 
>is; it's just a low-wing Smog
 Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure
revolutionized
the 
>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
>  
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jon Lowe"  <mailto:jonlowe at aol.com> <jonlowe at aol.com>
>To:  <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>  
>  
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything
up 
>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At
one 
>> point, everyone had
 built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top
Flight kit, 
>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it
really 
>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7
and
  
>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave
Brown, Mike
  
>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,
because 
>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style
airplanes. 
>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern
plane, and 
>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>> 
  
>> Jon Lowe
>>  
>>  
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kane  <mailto:getterflash at yahoo.com> <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion
 <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Kaos
>>  
>>  
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
  
>>  
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"
 <mailto:jim.woodward at baesystems.com> <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion
 <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monda
>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Hi Guys,
>>  
>>  
>> 
  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal
pattern
>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>> plane.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>>  
>>  
>> 
  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Jim W.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
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From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:39:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter
In-Reply-To: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD639@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
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I think this would be a great idea to edit models... I'd be interested in
the 14mz version...

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Beaubien
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:32 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter



I want to see if there is interest in a model file editor that will open
model files from
<http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=6405> Futaba
14MZ/12Z/12FG and/or JR 9303/10x/12x and allow editing and/or converting
between any of those radios. If anyone is interested in such a utility,
please let me know here. I would also need to know if anyone would be
interested in helping test such a utility during development. 

The utility would be able to do the following 

1. Read .mdl files from Futaba 14MZ/12Z directly from memory card 
2. Read .mdl files from Futaba 12FG after user moved file from memory card
to harddrive using other available utilities. 
3. Read model files from JR 9303/10x/12x after user moved files from radio
using the PC link. 
4. Allow editing all model files (to the extend I can decypher) 
5. Convert model files from/to any of the above radio formats 
6. Maintain database of model files and history of specific model files. 
7. Generate XML file detailing model file definitions. 

+ any other good features you guys can come up with. 

I already have a good headstart on the Futaba file format and can already
make changes to that format. Its simply a matter of mapping the location of
all the radio features. 

Let me know....

 

 

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From Pattrnflyr at aol.com  Mon Dec 15 14:45:39 2008
From: Pattrnflyr at aol.com (Pattrnflyr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:45:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
Message-ID: <bc0.47f70b42.3678460f@aol.com>

BTW, I do know that the Typhoon stuff was Ron Chidgey.  He and Hanson  had 
some good stuff at the beginning of turnaround.
 
 
In a message dated 12/15/2008 4:13:48 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
Pattrnflyr at aol.com writes:

How about almost anything by Dick Hanson?  I am still flying a  Typhoon 909 
and I love it.
 
 
In a message dated 12/15/2008 1:26:14 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
adriancwong at earthlink.net writes:

Phil  Kraft's Kwik Fli

-----Original Message-----
>From: billglaze  <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>To:  General pattern discussion  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>Just  before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and  
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog  Hog, 
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in  Dallas.  Good 
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to  win) but couldn't compare 
to 
>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always  said:  "I don't know what the big deal 
>is; it's just a low-wing  Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized 
the  
>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had  one.  Period.
>
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message  ----- 
>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>To:  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15,  2008 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern  plane designs
>
>
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful  low wing pattern plane.  Everything up 
>> until then had been  a high wing airplane.
>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really  high performance pattern plane
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most  built pattern planes of all times. At 
one 
>> point, everyone had  built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit, 
>> excellent  for its day, helped to make it popular.
>> The Phoenix 1-8  series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really 
>>  established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 and 
 
>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave  Brown, Mike 
>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the  Phoenix 9 and 10, because 
>> they were never kitted, and were very  early turn around style airplanes. 
>> I have a 9, and my dad has  the only 10 ever built.
>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It  was "everymans" pattern plane, and 
>> still is today with Tower  Hobbies .46 style version.
>>
>> Jon  Lowe
>>
>>
>> -----Original  Message-----
>> From: Bob Kane  <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008  1:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern  plane  designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Kaos
>>
>>
>> Bob Kane
>>  getterflash at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------------------------------------
>>  From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"  <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>> To: General pattern  discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent:  Monda
>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>> Subject:  [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane  designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Hi  Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal  pattern
>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.  A couple
>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of  planes have been
>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the  PassPort is a heck of a
>>  plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>>  years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last  nine
>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational  plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim  W.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Mon Dec 15 14:49:08 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:49:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNGEBADAAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNMEBBDAAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>

Michael Ramel, flying electric pattern since 2000, also designed the counter
rotating gearbox on Sebastiano Silvestrie's 07 WC's plane.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of JShulman
  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:27 PM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


  Here's my really poor attempt at it.

  A pilot from the Netherlands (never remember who) flew an electric in the
91 WC's. Von tried to get a USA Star to work on electric for those worlds as
well but lack of power doomed it. Michael Rammel (sp) has been flying
competitive electric in Germany for many years. I was the sucker to try it
again at the 93 WC's

  Regards,
  Jason
  www.jasonshulman.com
  www.shulmanaviation.com
  www.composite-arf.com


    -----Original Message-----
    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
    Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:17 PM
    To: General pattern discussion
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


    I think you are correct on all counts... It was an interesting time.
Can you imagine anyone even suggesting electric then?!  So where does that
fit in and who really had the first competitive pattern airplane---and what
was it...?

    Richard



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    Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:51:12 -0500
    From: schale at optonline.net
    To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

    Tony F had the Fygleaf I believe.  Not sure of the reason for the name.
    Didn't Dave have the USA Star.  I Seem to remember that he had his own
carbon fiber props.  They were pretty wide.  He could make the FAI pattern
large or small enough to fit in a schoolyard and still look good.  I
remember him playing during practice making a very small pattern that still
looked good.  Strong wind too.

    Stuart C.

    Richard Strickland wrote:

      Regarding Dean's belt drive--we were all also trying to be quiet along
with figuring out 'turnaround' pattern.  He had this hand carved wide
EIGHTEEN inch prop(he called it a club, I think--HUGE in those days) on it.
Was the talk of the contest that year.  Von Linsowe showed up with some
huge, slow thing--can't remember its name--and around then, Frac had some
kind of larger, but nice flying bipe.  Lots of innovation just before the
switch to 2M...  and then I took a ten year sabbatical.....
      RS



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      Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800
      From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
      To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


             Norm Page's Mach1.  They were ballistic for their time. The
wing was revoulutionary. Mike

            --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:

              From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
              Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane
designs
              To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
              Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:08 PM


              What about the Japanese?  Was there a first Japanese plane
that started to shape designs?  I remember Jerry talking about Dean?s belt
drive plane one time.  That must have been revolutionary for sure.



              From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
              Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PM
              To: cahochhalter at yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSION
              Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane
designs


              Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was
just a little b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes...


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              Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800
              From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com
              To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
              Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane
designs

                    Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?

                    --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
wrote:

                    From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
                    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern
plane designs
                    To: "'General pattern discussion'"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
                    Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM

Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned
pipesystem..  Tony Stillman, PresidentRadio South, Inc.139 Altama Connector,
Box 322Brunswick, GA  315251-800-962-7802www.radiosouthrc.com  -----Original
Message-----From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lis
ts.nsrca.org] On Behalf Ofadriancwong at earthlink.netSent: Monday, December
15, 2008 3:25 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
 Pattern plane designs  Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli  -----Original
Message----->From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008
3:02 PM>To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>  >Just before the Astro Hog, (designed
by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and >one of which I am currently
building),there was Howard Bonner's SmogHog, >(note the name similarity)
which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good >flying airplane, for it's
time, (good enough to win) but couldn'tcompareto >the Astro Hog, of which
Fred always said:  "I don't know what thebig deal >is; it's just a low-wing
Smog
 Hog."  Maybe.  But, it surerevolutionizedthe >contest world, at the time.
If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.>  >Bill Glaze>----- Original
Message ----- >From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>>To:
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41
PM>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>  >
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everythingup >>
until then had been a high wing airplane.>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first
really high performance pattern plane>> Taurus- arguably one of the most
built pattern planes of all times. Atone >> point, everyone had
 built a "modified" Taurus.  The TopFlight kit, >> excellent for its day,
helped to make it popular.>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm
prejudiced, but itreally >> established moderately swept wings as a
standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7and  >> 8's were flown by most of the great US
flyers, including DaveBrown, Mike  >> McConville, and others. I'm not
including the Phoenix 9 and 10,because >> they were never kitted, and were
very early turn around styleairplanes. >> I have a 9, and my dad has the
only 10 ever built.>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans"
patternplane, and >> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.>>
  >> Jon Lowe>>  >>  >> -----Original Message----->> From: Bob Kane
<getterflash at yahoo.com>>> To: General pattern
discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00
pm>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>>
>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> Kaos>>  >>  >> Bob Kane>>
getterflash at yahoo.com>>  >>  >>  >>  >>
  >>  >> ------------------------------------------------------------>>
From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"<jim.woodward at baesystems.com>>> To: General
pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Monda>> y,
December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
Pattern plane designs>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>
>>  >> Hi Guys,>>  >>  >>
  >>  >>  >>  >> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or
pivotalpattern>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A
couple>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have
been>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of
a>> plane.>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> What do you guys think have been some
break-out designs over the>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft
design? In the last nine>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most
transformational plane.>>  >>  >>
  >>  >>  >>  >> Thanks,>>  >>  >>  >> Jim W.>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 15 14:49:44 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:49:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNKEBADAAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
References: <7b4dai$bafvm@dmzms99901.na.baesystems.com>
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I've STILL got a couple of those strange looking white prototypes...

From: jshulman at cfl.rr.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:27:27 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


APC PROPS!!!!!!!
 
Regards,Jasonwww.jasonshulman.comwww.shulmanaviation.comwww.composite-arf.com

-----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Woodward, Jim (US SSA)Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:24 AMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Hi Guys,
 
What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern designs?  When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.  A couple years later the Smaragd was designed.  I see a lot of planes have been designed off the Smaragd platform.  I think the PassPort is a heck of a plane.
 
What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the years that have transformed pattern aircraft design?  In the last nine years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
 
Thanks,
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From edbon85 at tds.net  Mon Dec 15 14:50:58 2008
From: edbon85 at tds.net (Ed Miller)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:50:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
References: <bc0.47f70b42.3678460f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41866158CB97450F94852BB16C21521F@millertoy>

Hanson's EMC2, the first true production "guppy".  Still have one that I haven't flown since June this year and still have a kit.  
Ed M. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pattrnflyr at aol.com 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


  BTW, I do know that the Typhoon stuff was Ron Chidgey.  He and Hanson had some good stuff at the beginning of turnaround.

  In a message dated 12/15/2008 4:13:48 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Pattrnflyr at aol.com writes:
    How about almost anything by Dick Hanson?  I am still flying a Typhoon 909 and I love it.

    In a message dated 12/15/2008 1:26:14 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, adriancwong at earthlink.net writes:
      Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli

      -----Original Message-----
      >From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
      >Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
      >To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
      >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
      >
      >Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and 
      >one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog, 
      >(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good 
      >flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare to 
      >the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the big deal 
      >is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized the 
      >contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
      >
      >Bill Glaze
      >----- Original Message ----- 
      >From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
      >To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
      >Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
      >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
      >
      >
      >> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything up 
      >> until then had been a high wing airplane.
      >> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
      >> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At one 
      >> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit, 
      >> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
      >> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really 
      >> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 and 
      >> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, Mike 
      >> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because 
      >> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style airplanes. 
      >> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
      >> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and 
      >> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
      >>
      >> Jon Lowe
      >>
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
      >> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
      >> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
      >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Kaos
      >>
      >>
      >> Bob Kane
      >> getterflash at yahoo.com
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> ------------------------------------------------------------
      >> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
      >> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
      >> Sent: Monda
      >> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
      >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Hi Guys,
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
      >> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
      >> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
      >> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
      >> plane.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
      >> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
      >> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Thanks,
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Jim W.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
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From adriancwong at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 15 15:01:37 2008
From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:01:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter
Message-ID: <331137.1229385695791.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Count me in for the 14MZ

Adrian

-----Original Message-----
>From: Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 6:39 PM
>To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter
>
>I think this would be a great idea to edit models... I'd be interested in
>the 14mz version...
>
>  _____  
>
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Robert L.
>Beaubien
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:32 PM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter
>
>
>
>I want to see if there is interest in a model file editor that will open
>model files from
><http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=6405> Futaba
>14MZ/12Z/12FG and/or JR 9303/10x/12x and allow editing and/or converting
>between any of those radios. If anyone is interested in such a utility,
>please let me know here. I would also need to know if anyone would be
>interested in helping test such a utility during development. 
>
>The utility would be able to do the following 
>
>1. Read .mdl files from Futaba 14MZ/12Z directly from memory card 
>2. Read .mdl files from Futaba 12FG after user moved file from memory card
>to harddrive using other available utilities. 
>3. Read model files from JR 9303/10x/12x after user moved files from radio
>using the PC link. 
>4. Allow editing all model files (to the extend I can decypher) 
>5. Convert model files from/to any of the above radio formats 
>6. Maintain database of model files and history of specific model files. 
>7. Generate XML file detailing model file definitions. 
>
>+ any other good features you guys can come up with. 
>
>I already have a good headstart on the Futaba file format and can already
>make changes to that format. Its simply a matter of mapping the location of
>all the radio features. 
>
>Let me know....
>
> 
>
> 
>
>- Robert Beaubien
>
>- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster
>
>-
>
> 
>
> 
>


From dwaynenancy at suddenlink.net  Mon Dec 15 15:16:17 2008
From: dwaynenancy at suddenlink.net (Dwayne Brown)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:16:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter
In-Reply-To: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD639@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
Message-ID: <AEB28378E42C4E8FA09391EE7B444ECE@YoursMine>

I'd be interested in both Futaba and JR.  Thanks, Dwayne

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Beaubien
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:32 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter

 

I want to see if there is interest in a model file editor that will open
model files from
<http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=6405> Futaba
14MZ/12Z/12FG and/or JR 9303/10x/12x and allow editing and/or converting
between any of those radios. If anyone is interested in such a utility,
please let me know here. I would also need to know if anyone would be
interested in helping test such a utility during development. 

The utility would be able to do the following 

1. Read .mdl files from Futaba 14MZ/12Z directly from memory card 
2. Read .mdl files from Futaba 12FG after user moved file from memory card
to harddrive using other available utilities. 
3. Read model files from JR 9303/10x/12x after user moved files from radio
using the PC link. 
4. Allow editing all model files (to the extend I can decypher) 
5. Convert model files from/to any of the above radio formats 
6. Maintain database of model files and history of specific model files. 
7. Generate XML file detailing model file definitions. 

+ any other good features you guys can come up with. 

I already have a good headstart on the Futaba file format and can already
make changes to that format. Its simply a matter of mapping the location of
all the radio features. 

Let me know....

 

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Mon Dec 15 15:18:32 2008
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:18:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
References: <30150314.1229372696573.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20553004361540AC9A439F065B2E421D@Vinnie>

Ivan Kristenesen's Summit II was the first USA-produced plane to have 
plug-in wings. Dave Scully produced those at his company called Aero 
Composites. There were so many innovations coming out of that shop that it's 
difficult to remember them all. Dean Koger's belt drive Vortex with a 
hand-carved 17" prop came out of Scully's skunkworks. The plane had a piped 
.61 Webra Speed going flat out at 15,000 rpm turning the 17" prop at about 
7000 or so rpm. Weirdest sounding combination of simultaneous high and low 
pitched sounds I've ever heard.

Dave von Linsowe's USA Star was the first 1.20 - 4-stroke size plane to be 
campaigned by a top pilot and he flew it to 3rd place in World's sometime 
around 1993.  It was condsidered so huge at the time that Don Lowe dubbed it 
the "Monocote Overcast". Everything changed to bigger after that.

Innovation is the operative word that makes a plane really stand out. In 
recent times, Jason Shulman set the world on it's ear when he showed up at 
the World's with the first competetive electric plane. I say competetive, 
because it had been tried before in the mid-90's with dismal results. Back 
then, the weight of 3 dozen or so nicads to power the plane was too much 
weight for the plane to be competetive.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <adriancwong at earthlink.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


> Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and
>>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog,
>>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good
>>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare 
>>to
>>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the big deal
>>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized 
>>the
>>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
>>
>>Bill Glaze
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything up
>>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At 
>>> one
>>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit,
>>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really
>>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 
>>> and
>>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, 
>>> Mike
>>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because
>>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style airplanes.
>>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and
>>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>>
>>> Jon Lowe
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kaos
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Kane
>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Monda
>>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
>>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>>> plane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim W.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Mon Dec 15 15:34:48 2008
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:34:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
References: <7b4dai$bafvm@dmzms99901.na.baesystems.com><PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNKEBADAAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
	<BAY128-W22D1A3D5C12A770368B50CA0F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1CB2FAF816404A8E958708D7E4AA6651@Vinnie>

I remember some of the early prototype APC props. Mac Patterson was promoting them to the pattern community initially through his mail order pattern supply business that he advertised in the K-Factor. They had one really unusual scimitar they called the "butterknife". 

Von Linsowe was flying his own, hand carved scimitar-shaped prop on his USA Star at about the same time (early to mid 90's). One of the local Michigan guys molded one of Dave's up in carbon and sold quite a few of them in Michigan and Ontario. I stopped using mine after one blew apart and damaged Dave's Star.

Verne
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Strickland 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


  I've STILL got a couple of those strange looking white prototypes...


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  From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
  Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:27:27 -0500
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


  APC PROPS!!!!!!!

  Regards,
  Jason
  www.jasonshulman.com
  www.shulmanaviation.com
  www.composite-arf.com


    -----Original Message-----
    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
    Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:24 AM
    To: General pattern discussion
    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


    Hi Guys,



    What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern designs?  When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.  A couple years later the Smaragd was designed.  I see a lot of planes have been designed off the Smaragd platform.  I think the PassPort is a heck of a plane.



    What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the years that have transformed pattern aircraft design?  In the last nine years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.



    Thanks,

    Jim W. 





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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Mon Dec 15 15:43:56 2008
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:43:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
References: <30150314.1229372696573.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<20553004361540AC9A439F065B2E421D@Vinnie>
Message-ID: <AC64BD9B9A3340AA9D36804D000C3F69@Vinnie>

Almost forgot to mention Wayne Ulery in talking about Koger's Vortex. As I 
recall, Wayne designed and built the belt drive system that made it all go 
in Scully's shop. I recall talking with him about it one time and marvelling 
at his engineering. He replied, saying, "aw, I'm just an old dirt farmer" in 
reference to his his very successful nursery business. "Dirt farmer", ya 
right. I'm sure his involvement in Qui Que's Yak series is just a fluke 
too....

Verne


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
To: <adriancwong at earthlink.net>; "General pattern discussion" 
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


> Ivan Kristenesen's Summit II was the first USA-produced plane to have 
> plug-in wings. Dave Scully produced those at his company called Aero 
> Composites. There were so many innovations coming out of that shop that 
> it's difficult to remember them all. Dean Koger's belt drive Vortex with a 
> hand-carved 17" prop came out of Scully's skunkworks. The plane had a 
> piped .61 Webra Speed going flat out at 15,000 rpm turning the 17" prop at 
> about 7000 or so rpm. Weirdest sounding combination of simultaneous high 
> and low pitched sounds I've ever heard.
>
> Dave von Linsowe's USA Star was the first 1.20 - 4-stroke size plane to be 
> campaigned by a top pilot and he flew it to 3rd place in World's sometime 
> around 1993.  It was condsidered so huge at the time that Don Lowe dubbed 
> it the "Monocote Overcast". Everything changed to bigger after that.
>
> Innovation is the operative word that makes a plane really stand out. In 
> recent times, Jason Shulman set the world on it's ear when he showed up at 
> the World's with the first competetive electric plane. I say competetive, 
> because it had been tried before in the mid-90's with dismal results. Back 
> then, the weight of 3 dozen or so nicads to power the plane was too much 
> weight for the plane to be competetive.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <adriancwong at earthlink.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>> Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>>>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>
>>>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , 
>>>and
>>>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog,
>>>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good
>>>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare 
>>>to
>>>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the big 
>>>deal
>>>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized 
>>>the
>>>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
>>>
>>>Bill Glaze
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>>>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>
>>>
>>>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything up
>>>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>>>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>>>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At 
>>>> one
>>>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit,
>>>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>>>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really
>>>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 
>>>> and
>>>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, 
>>>> Mike
>>>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because
>>>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style 
>>>> airplanes.
>>>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>>>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and
>>>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>>>
>>>> Jon Lowe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kaos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob Kane
>>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Monda
>>>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
>>>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>>>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>>>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>>>> plane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>>>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>>>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim W.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
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From brett.terry at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 15:55:41 2008
From: brett.terry at gmail.com (brett terry)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:55:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <7b4dai$bafvm@dmzms99901.na.baesystems.com>
References: <888fdd980812150811r7af8284fx80078fdf6aec84f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7b4dai$bafvm@dmzms99901.na.baesystems.com>
Message-ID: <d4d155800812151655j30b83e47ld49afe4de5804859@mail.gmail.com>

In many ways, Chip's Hanson Dalotel was revolutionary, flying a scale plane
in pattern.  Granted Hanno had his Dalotel at TOC a year earlier.  Perhaps
this helped drive the growth of IMAC when he proved a scale plane could also
fly with precision.

This is a great thread, btw.  I still remember seeing my first Curare
flying.  We were putting the finishing touches on a .40-size Kaos from a
.15-size Midwest Chipmunk (must have been around '77 or so) and saw one at
the field.  Even at 7 years old I KNEW I had to have one!

I later built one with my Dad, flew it for many years, still have it on the
shelf.  In many ways the Atlas was a better flying plane but the Curare was
dead sexy!  In my opinion it was somewhat more of a paradigm shift than the
Atlas.

Of course the Aurora and Atlanta are smoking hot as well.  Good stuff here.

Brett



On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <
jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:

>  Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
> designs?  When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.  A couple years
> later the Smaragd was designed.  I see a lot of planes have been designed
> off the Smaragd platform.  I think the PassPort is a heck of a plane.
>
>
>
> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the years that
> have transformed pattern aircraft design?  In the last nine years, I'd say
> the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim W.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From schale at optonline.net  Mon Dec 15 15:55:51 2008
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:55:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <20553004361540AC9A439F065B2E421D@Vinnie>
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Back around the same time someone in the NE was trying a "large" 
airplane.  I think he called it the Big E.  maybe it was late 80's.  
Just not enough power available, but eventually all of the planes got to 
that size :)
Stuart

Verne Koester wrote:
> Ivan Kristenesen's Summit II was the first USA-produced plane to have 
> plug-in wings. Dave Scully produced those at his company called Aero 
> Composites. There were so many innovations coming out of that shop 
> that it's difficult to remember them all. Dean Koger's belt drive 
> Vortex with a hand-carved 17" prop came out of Scully's skunkworks. 
> The plane had a piped .61 Webra Speed going flat out at 15,000 rpm 
> turning the 17" prop at about 7000 or so rpm. Weirdest sounding 
> combination of simultaneous high and low pitched sounds I've ever heard.
>
> Dave von Linsowe's USA Star was the first 1.20 - 4-stroke size plane 
> to be campaigned by a top pilot and he flew it to 3rd place in World's 
> sometime around 1993.  It was condsidered so huge at the time that Don 
> Lowe dubbed it the "Monocote Overcast". Everything changed to bigger 
> after that.
>
> Innovation is the operative word that makes a plane really stand out. 
> In recent times, Jason Shulman set the world on it's ear when he 
> showed up at the World's with the first competetive electric plane. I 
> say competetive, because it had been tried before in the mid-90's with 
> dismal results. Back then, the weight of 3 dozen or so nicads to power 
> the plane was too much weight for the plane to be competetive.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <adriancwong at earthlink.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>> Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>>> Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>
>>> Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) 
>>> , and
>>> one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog 
>>> Hog,
>>> (note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  
>>> Good
>>> flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't 
>>> compare to
>>> the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the 
>>> big deal
>>> is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure 
>>> revolutionized the
>>> contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  
>>> Period.
>>>
>>> Bill Glaze
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>>> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>
>>>
>>>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  
>>>> Everything up
>>>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>>>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>>>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. 
>>>> At one
>>>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit,
>>>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>>>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really
>>>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 
>>>> 7 and
>>>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave 
>>>> Brown, Mike
>>>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, 
>>>> because
>>>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style 
>>>> airplanes.
>>>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>>>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and
>>>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>>>
>>>> Jon Lowe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kaos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob Kane
>>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Monda
>>>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal 
>>>> pattern
>>>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>>>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>>>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>>>> plane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>>>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>>>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim W.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From vanputte at cox.net  Mon Dec 15 16:10:04 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:10:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <1CB2FAF816404A8E958708D7E4AA6651@Vinnie>
References: <7b4dai$bafvm@dmzms99901.na.baesystems.com><PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNKEBADAAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>
	<BAY128-W22D1A3D5C12A770368B50CA0F40@phx.gbl>
	<1CB2FAF816404A8E958708D7E4AA6651@Vinnie>
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I have a few "virgin" butterknife"  APC props.

Ron

On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Verne Koester wrote:

> I remember some of the early prototype APC props. Mac Patterson was  
> promoting them to the pattern community initially through his mail  
> order pattern supply business that he advertised in the K-Factor.  
> They had one really unusual scimitar they called the "butterknife".
>
> Von Linsowe was flying his own, hand carved scimitar-shaped prop on  
> his USA Star at about the same time (early to mid 90's). One of the  
> local Michigan guys molded one of Dave's up in carbon and sold  
> quite a few of them in Michigan and Ontario. I stopped using mine  
> after one blew apart and damaged Dave's Star.
>
> Verne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Strickland
> To: General pattern discussion
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
> I've STILL got a couple of those strange looking white prototypes...
>
> From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:27:27 -0500
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
> APC PROPS!!!!!!!
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:24 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal  
> pattern designs?  When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.  A  
> couple years later the Smaragd was designed.  I see a lot of planes  
> have been designed off the Smaragd platform.  I think the PassPort  
> is a heck of a plane.
>
>
> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the  
> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design?  In the last  
> nine years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim W.
>
>
>
> Suspicious message? There?s an alert for that. Get your Hotmail?  
> account now.
>
>
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From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Mon Dec 15 16:24:03 2008
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:24:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <41866158CB97450F94852BB16C21521F@millertoy>
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Message-ID: <A2AE85FBE1EE46778A7BD6FEF6170BEC@davedesktop>

Absolutely the EMC - by far the biggest plane for it's time, and uncanny (to
say the least) just how closely critical dimensions matched subsequent Euro
"guppies".

 

Elan also needs to be mentioned - the super long tail moment set a new
standard for groove in pitch.

 

Regards,

 

Dave 

 

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Miller
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:51 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

 

Hanson's EMC2, the first true production "guppy".  Still have one that I
haven't flown since June this year and still have a kit.  

Ed M. 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Pattrnflyr at aol.com 

To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 

Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:45 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

 

BTW, I do know that the Typhoon stuff was Ron Chidgey.  He and Hanson had
some good stuff at the beginning of turnaround.

 

In a message dated 12/15/2008 4:13:48 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
Pattrnflyr at aol.com writes:

How about almost anything by Dick Hanson?  I am still flying a Typhoon 909
and I love it.

 

In a message dated 12/15/2008 1:26:14 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
adriancwong at earthlink.net writes:

Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli

-----Original Message-----
>From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and 
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog, 
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good 
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare
to 
>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the big deal 
>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized
the 
>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
>
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything up 
>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At
one 
>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit, 
>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really 
>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 and

>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, Mike

>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because 
>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style airplanes. 
>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and 
>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>
>> Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaos
>>
>>
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monda
>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>> plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim W.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:33:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos/RX's for sale
Message-ID: <3ED3981CEF7E4BFE8CD90E0A06DD7B9E@BENICIA>

I decided to do some winter cleaning and went through my servos and RX's and
discovered I had too many and wanted to sell some off. I have the following
Futaba equipment for sale - shipping is not included since these prices are
cheap (I think).

1 x 9255 servo - $70
2 x 9250 servo - $60 each
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From mjfrederick at cox.net  Mon Dec 15 16:41:24 2008
From: mjfrederick at cox.net (Matthew Frederick)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:41:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
References: <30150314.1229372696573.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<571117A52826482F91BCE0D56A328055@Tony>
Message-ID: <3B0B4154808D42D39093553A77CBB8AA@Mattmobile>

Pre-turnaround: Compensator and Bootlegger

Post-turnaround: Patriot (and all its variants)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


> Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe
> system..
>
> Tony Stillman, President
> Radio South, Inc.
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> Brunswick, GA  31525
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> adriancwong at earthlink.net
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
> Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and
>>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog,
>>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good
>>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare
> to
>>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the big deal
>>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized
> the
>>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
>>
>>Bill Glaze
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>>
>>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything up
>>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At
> one
>>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit,
>>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really
>>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 
>>> and
>
>>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, 
>>> Mike
>
>>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because
>>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style airplanes.
>>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and
>>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>>
>>> Jon Lowe
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kaos
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Kane
>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Monda
>>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
>>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>>> plane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim W.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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From khoard at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 18:44:15 2008
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:44:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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What about the "Galloping Ghost"?  Man, I remember that one from the '28
Nats. . .

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Matthew Frederick <mjfrederick at cox.net>wrote:

> Pre-turnaround: Compensator and Bootlegger
>
> Post-turnaround: Patriot (and all its variants)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>  Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe
>> system..
>>
>> Tony Stillman, President
>> Radio South, Inc.
>> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>> Brunswick, GA  31525
>> 1-800-962-7802
>> www.radiosouthrc.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
>> adriancwong at earthlink.net
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>
>> Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>>> Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>
>>> Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) ,
>>> and
>>> one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog,
>>> (note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good
>>> flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the big
>>> deal
>>> is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
>>>
>>> Bill Glaze
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>>> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>
>>>
>>>  Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything up
>>>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>>>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>>>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At
>>>>
>>> one
>>
>>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit,
>>>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>>>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really
>>>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>
>>  8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, Mike
>>>>
>>>
>>  McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because
>>>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style airplanes.
>>>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>>>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and
>>>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>>>
>>>> Jon Lowe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kaos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob Kane
>>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Monda
>>>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
>>>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>>>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>>>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
>>>> plane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>>>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>>>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim W.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From vanputte at cox.net  Mon Dec 15 19:10:43 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:10:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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Wern't no Nats in '28.  Musta been thinkin' of the '38 Nats, Sonny.

Ron VP

On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:

> What about the "Galloping Ghost"?  Man, I remember that one from  
> the '28 Nats. . .
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Matthew Frederick  
> <mjfrederick at cox.net> wrote:
> Pre-turnaround: Compensator and Bootlegger
>
> Post-turnaround: Patriot (and all its variants)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
> Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed  
> tuned pipe
> system..
>
> Tony Stillman, President
> Radio South, Inc.
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> Brunswick, GA  31525
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> adriancwong at earthlink.net
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
> Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
> Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred  
> Dunn) , and
> one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's  
> Smog Hog,
> (note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.   
> Good
> flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't  
> compare
> to
> the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the  
> big deal
> is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure  
> revolutionized
> the
> contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.   
> Period.
>
> Bill Glaze
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.   
> Everything up
> until then had been a high wing airplane.
> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At
> one
> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit,
> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really
> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6,  
> 7 and
>
> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave  
> Brown, Mike
>
> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,  
> because
> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style  
> airplanes.
> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and
> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>
> Jon Lowe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kaos
>
>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monda
> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal  
> pattern
> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
> plane.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Jim W.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> -- 
>
> Keith Hoard
> Collierville, TN
> khoard at gmail.com
>
>
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From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Mon Dec 15 19:58:52 2008
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:58:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 145 AAC & 145 R difference ?
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~40 grams to recall.

 

Dave

 

 

 

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Black
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:25 PM
To: paul.horan at sbcglobal.net; 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 145 AAC & 145 R difference ?

 

The AAC had an aluminum sleeve and was lighter, don't recall the weight
difference.

 

Keith Black

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Paul Horan
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:56 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 145 AAC & 145 R difference ?

 



Can anyone tell me the difference between the Webra 145 AAC (Red head) and
the Webra 145 R (Blackhead "racing") ?

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From paul.horan at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 15 20:03:46 2008
From: paul.horan at sbcglobal.net (Paul Horan)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:03:46 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 145 AAC & 145 R difference ?
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Thanks to all for the info.? I have decided to pass up a deal on a 145 AAC and just stay with my 145 R with the steel liner.? I'll be using it in a HydeOut.
Thanks,
Paul

--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Dave <DaveL322 at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Dave <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 145 AAC & 145 R difference ?
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:57 PM








~40 grams to recall.
?
Dave
?
?
?




From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Black
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:25 PM
To: paul.horan at sbcglobal.net; 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 145 AAC & 145 R difference ?
?
The AAC had an aluminum sleeve and was lighter, don?t recall the weight difference.
?
Keith Black
?

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Paul Horan
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:56 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 145 AAC & 145 R difference ?
?













Can anyone tell me the difference between the Webra 145 AAC (Red head) and the Webra 145 R (Blackhead "racing") ?

Thanks

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From bob at toprudder.com  Tue Dec 16 05:09:18 2008
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:09:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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Some planes were breakthroughs just because they broke the mold. I would put the Astro Hog in that category. Most others took advantage in advancements in technology. I would put the Bootlegger in that category (tuned pipe internal instead of hanging outside). 
?
One plane that has already been mentioned is the?Mach I. This advanced pattern into the ballistic age. The thin wing and really streamlined fuselage.... beautiful.
?
Someone already mentioned the Focus. What was breakthrough about that was not the design per se, but the fact that it was an affordable ARF that could be built easily yet could (and did) win the NATS. Up until then, you had to pay an arm and a leg for a plane that probably required a LOT of work to be competitive.
?
Elements of technology that changed pattern: Digital proportional radios; Retracts; Schneurle ported engines; Tuned pipes; Four-strokes (ok, that was a rule thing, but still...). Lipo batteries made electric pattern not only possible, but competitive.
?
I think the biggest changes (won't really call it 'breakthrough') have been the?rules. Pattern planes could have been larger than they were had it not been for the limit in engine size. The story I heard was that Duke Fox designed the .78 for pattern, but then they came up with a rule to limit the engine size to .61. Then the rule to allow up to 1.20 four-strokes due to the 'power disparity'. (???) Then came turnaround, and the designs were forced to change. Then the unlimited engine size. I've always said that a lot of manufacturers shy away from pattern since it has always been a moving target. 
?
I have to think back to Tom Miller's "Reaction" design. It did not have much impact on the sport, probably because?it was too far ahead of its time. Back when guys were still flying ballistic planes with 2 strokes, tuned pipes and retracts, here he comes with a fixed gear, taildragger, fat fuselage (relative to the times), four-stroke plane and said "this is where we are headed". Give that man a prize!!!
?
And the beat goes on....
?
Bob R.


--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:

From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 2:23 PM








Hi Guys,
?
What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern designs?? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.? A couple years later the Smaragd was designed.? I see a lot of planes have been designed off the Smaragd platform.? I think the PassPort is a heck of a plane.
?
What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the years that have transformed pattern aircraft design?? In the last nine years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
?
Thanks,
Jim W. 
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 16 13:48:43 2008
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (billglaze)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:48:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
References: <756357.87718.qm@web1112.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
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I wasn't interested in pattern at all, until I saw Dick Hanson's Excell at a meet.  The owner said "it's supposed to be an Extra 300, if you can get past an Extra with retractable gear."
I felt that, if it was possible to fly such a good looking airplane in pattern and do well, (and it was, in fact, possible to do so) then I could take an interest.  I have always preferred airplanes that look like airplanes,and not like an Irish Battle Club. 
Dave Guerin put it very succinctly one time when he said:  "the pattern flyers of today have no idea just how much they owe Dick Hanson."  And, if Dave says it....................... Bill Glaze
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Richards 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs


        Some planes were breakthroughs just because they broke the mold. I would put the Astro Hog in that category. Most others took advantage in advancements in technology. I would put the Bootlegger in that category (tuned pipe internal instead of hanging outside). 

        One plane that has already been mentioned is the Mach I. This advanced pattern into the ballistic age. The thin wing and really streamlined fuselage.... beautiful.

        Someone already mentioned the Focus. What was breakthrough about that was not the design per se, but the fact that it was an affordable ARF that could be built easily yet could (and did) win the NATS. Up until then, you had to pay an arm and a leg for a plane that probably required a LOT of work to be competitive.

        Elements of technology that changed pattern: Digital proportional radios; Retracts; Schneurle ported engines; Tuned pipes; Four-strokes (ok, that was a rule thing, but still...). Lipo batteries made electric pattern not only possible, but competitive.

        I think the biggest changes (won't really call it 'breakthrough') have been the rules. Pattern planes could have been larger than they were had it not been for the limit in engine size. The story I heard was that Duke Fox designed the .78 for pattern, but then they came up with a rule to limit the engine size to .61. Then the rule to allow up to 1.20 four-strokes due to the 'power disparity'. (???) Then came turnaround, and the designs were forced to change. Then the unlimited engine size. I've always said that a lot of manufacturers shy away from pattern since it has always been a moving target. 

        I have to think back to Tom Miller's "Reaction" design. It did not have much impact on the sport, probably because it was too far ahead of its time. Back when guys were still flying ballistic planes with 2 strokes, tuned pipes and retracts, here he comes with a fixed gear, taildragger, fat fuselage (relative to the times), four-stroke plane and said "this is where we are headed". Give that man a prize!!!

        And the beat goes on....

        Bob R.


        --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:

          From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
          Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
          To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
          Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 2:23 PM


          Hi Guys,



          What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern designs?  When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.  A couple years later the Smaragd was designed.  I see a lot of planes have been designed off the Smaragd platform.  I think the PassPort is a heck of a plane.



          What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the years that have transformed pattern aircraft design?  In the last nine years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.



          Thanks,

          Jim W. 



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From completemarine02 at sprintpcs.com  Tue Dec 16 14:55:46 2008
From: completemarine02 at sprintpcs.com (Rusty Fried)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:55:46 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <001301c95fd0$71e55120$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst>
References: <756357.87718.qm@web1112.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
	<001301c95fd0$71e55120$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst>
Message-ID: <001b01c95fd9$ce80cfa0$6b826ee0$@com>

Dick Hansen and Meryl Hyde along with David Guerin have been the US main
stay. 

International hands down is Hano Pretner and Wolf Gang Matt. 

All of these guys were  equally important to pattern. If you would like to
go back further please let me know. My long term memory is still Ok.

Rusty Fried.

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of billglaze
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:49 PM
To: bob at toprudder.com; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

 

I wasn't interested in pattern at all, until I saw Dick Hanson's Excell at a
meet.  The owner said "it's supposed to be an Extra 300, if you can get past
an Extra with retractable gear."

I felt that, if it was possible to fly such a good looking airplane in
pattern and do well, (and it was, in fact, possible to do so) then I could
take an interest.  I have always preferred airplanes that look like
airplanes,and not like an Irish Battle Club. 

Dave Guerin put it very succinctly one time when he said:  "the pattern
flyers of today have no idea just how much they owe Dick Hanson."  And, if
Dave says it....................... Bill Glaze

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Bob Richards <mailto:bob at toprudder.com>  

To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:09 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

 


Some planes were breakthroughs just because they broke the mold. I would put
the Astro Hog in that category. Most others took advantage in advancements
in technology. I would put the Bootlegger in that category (tuned pipe
internal instead of hanging outside). 

 

One plane that has already been mentioned is the Mach I. This advanced
pattern into the ballistic age. The thin wing and really streamlined
fuselage.... beautiful.

 

Someone already mentioned the Focus. What was breakthrough about that was
not the design per se, but the fact that it was an affordable ARF that could
be built easily yet could (and did) win the NATS. Up until then, you had to
pay an arm and a leg for a plane that probably required a LOT of work to be
competitive.

 

Elements of technology that changed pattern: Digital proportional radios;
Retracts; Schneurle ported engines; Tuned pipes; Four-strokes (ok, that was
a rule thing, but still...). Lipo batteries made electric pattern not only
possible, but competitive.

 

I think the biggest changes (won't really call it 'breakthrough') have been
the rules. Pattern planes could have been larger than they were had it not
been for the limit in engine size. The story I heard was that Duke Fox
designed the .78 for pattern, but then they came up with a rule to limit the
engine size to .61. Then the rule to allow up to 1.20 four-strokes due to
the 'power disparity'. (???) Then came turnaround, and the designs were
forced to change. Then the unlimited engine size. I've always said that a
lot of manufacturers shy away from pattern since it has always been a moving
target. 

 

I have to think back to Tom Miller's "Reaction" design. It did not have much
impact on the sport, probably because it was too far ahead of its time. Back
when guys were still flying ballistic planes with 2 strokes, tuned pipes and
retracts, here he comes with a fixed gear, taildragger, fat fuselage
(relative to the times), four-stroke plane and said "this is where we are
headed". Give that man a prize!!!

 

And the beat goes on....

 

Bob R.



--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
wrote:

From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 2:23 PM

Hi Guys,

 

What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
designs?  When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.  A couple years
later the Smaragd was designed.  I see a lot of planes have been designed
off the Smaragd platform.  I think the PassPort is a heck of a plane. 

  

What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the years that
have transformed pattern aircraft design?  In the last nine years, I?d say
the Smaragd was the most transformational plane. 

  

Thanks, 

Jim W. 

  

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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Tue Dec 16 17:25:29 2008
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:25:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
In-Reply-To: <001301c95fd0$71e55120$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst>
References: <001301c95fd0$71e55120$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst>
Message-ID: <8CB2E05D64E9991-15D8-15F3@WEBMAIL-MB03.sysops.aol.com>

Hmmmm!! I'm sure most will disagree but heck I have thick hide, thicker 
than most of you

I think pattern airplane (just airplane, not accessories) development 
over the past 30 some odd years has seen little if any invention. There 
were trend setting airplanes and more unique designs built to suit 
their designers. Curare was highly copied and Arrow and Bootlegger 
initiated the internal piped set-ups. I remember seeing Koger's belt 
driven plane around 1990 or so and thought that was a cool enineering 
set-up. That was one invention worth mentioning but it was not the 
airplane, it was the powerplant

Certainly pattern airplanes such as Curare, Arrow and Smaragd were 
influential but in my view not really revolutionary. Evolutionary yes. 
Not revolutionary. With all due respect to Mssrs Prettner and Matt; 
planes were and still are outstanding fliers as are many others.

The closest thing to revolutionary pattern plane design is Nat Penton's 
VooDoo Xpress, a plane 25 years ahead of its time. It has taken 
schedules this long to catch up to that plane's capability. Certainly 
not a successful airplane in the marketing sense nor in the highly 
copied sense. But revolutionary nevertheless

To me, the most influential and truly revolutionary thing to be 
developed in the last 25 years has to be Merle Hyde's vibration 
dampening engine mount. This simple, passive invention revolutionized 
pattern models, along with a key rule change
, which allowed very high 
output powerplant development. Without this device, pattern models 
would not have been as large, assuming the weight rule would have 
stayed in effect, unchanged. Take the soft mount away and everything 
shrinks to accomodate weight needed for dampening the power strokes. 
Without the soft engine mount I don't think pattern models would be 
what they are today.

I agree with Jason that APC props were revolutionary. They converted 
classic Betz propeller theory to practice, something no one else had 
been able to do before.

My 2 cents, whatever that's worth

Matt K

-----Original Message-----
From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
To: bob at toprudder.com; General pattern discussion 
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

I wasn't interested in pattern at all, until I saw Dick Hanson's Excell 
at
a meet.? The owner said "it's supposed to be an Extra 300, if you can 
get
past an Extra with retractable gear."
I felt that, if it was possible to fly such a good looking airplane in
pattern and do well, (and it was, in fact, possible to do so) then I 
could take
an interest.? I have always preferred airplanes that look like
airplanes,and not like an Irish Battle Club.?
Dave Guerin put it very succinctly one time when he said:? "the
pattern flyers of today have no idea just how much they owe 
Dick 
Hanson."?
And, if Dave says it....................... Bill Glaze

  ----- Original Message -----
  From:
  Bob Richards

  To: General pattern discussion

  Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:09
  AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
  Breakthrough Pattern plane designs






         Some planes were breakthroughs just because they broke the 
mold. I
         would put the Astro Hog in that category. Most others took 
advantage in
         advancements in technology. I would put the Bootlegger in that 
category
        (tuned pipe internal instead of hanging outside).
        ?
        One plane that has already been mentioned is the?Mach I. This
         advanced pattern into the ballistic age. The thin wing and 
really
        streamlined fuselage.... beautiful.
        ?
         Someone already mentioned the Focus. What was breakthrough 
about
         that was not the design per se, but the fact that it was an 
affordable
         ARF that could be built easily yet could (and did) win the 
NATS. Up
         until then, you had to pay an arm and a leg for a plane that 
probably
        required a LOT of work to be competitive.
        ?
         Elements of technology that changed20pattern: Digital 
proportional
         radios; Retracts; Schneurle ported engines; Tuned pipes; 
Four-strokes
         (ok, that was a rule thing, but still...). Lipo batteries made 
electric
        pattern not only possible, but competitive.
        ?
         I think the biggest changes (won't really call it 
'breakthrough')
        have been the?rules. Pattern planes could have been larger than
         they were had it not been for the limit in engine size. The 
story I
         heard was that Duke Fox designed the .78 for pattern, but then 
they came
         up with a rule to limit the engine size to .61. Then the rule 
to allow
         up to 1.20 four-strokes due to the 'power disparity'. (???) 
Then came
         turnaround, and the designs were forced to change. Then the 
unlimited
         engine size. I've always said that a lot of manufacturers shy 
away from
        pattern since it has always been a moving target.
        ?
         I have to think back to Tom Miller's "Reaction" design. It did 
not
        have much impact on the sport, probably because?it was too far
         ahead of its time. Back when guys were still flying ballistic 
planes
         with 2 strokes, tuned pipes and retracts,20here he comes with a 
fixed
         gear, taildragger, fat fuselage (relative to the times), 
four-stroke
        plane and said "this is where we are headed". Give that man a
        prize!!!
        ?
        And the beat goes on....
        ?
        Bob R.


--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
        &lt;jim.woodward at baesystems.com&gt; wrote:

        From:
          Woodward, Jim (US SSA) &lt;jim.woodward at baesystems.com&gt;
Subject:
          [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
To: "General
          pattern discussion" &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;
Date:
          Monday, December 15, 2008, 2:23 PM






          Hi
          Guys,
          ?
          What
           do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal 
pattern
          designs?? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog.? A
          couple years later the Smaragd was designed.? I see a lot of
           planes have been designed off the Smaragd platform.? I think 
the
          PassPort is a heck of a plane.

          ?

          What
           do you guys=2
0think have been some break-out designs over the 
years that
          have transformed pattern aircraft design?? In the last nine
           years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational 
plane.

          ?

          Thanks,

          Jim W.

          ?


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From rob at koolsoft.com  Tue Dec 16 21:34:44 2008
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:34:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contests for 2009
Message-ID: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB20151145A@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>

Here are the estimated District 7 contest dates for 2009.  If there are
any corrections and/or date confirmations, please let me know so I can
get the list published on the national and D7 sites.

 

Lancaster - Feb 7th-8th, Firm

Phoenix - Feb 21st-22nd, Firm

Yuma - Mar 21st-22nd, Firm

Riverside - Apr 11th-12th, Estimated

BARCS - Apr 25th-26th, Estimated

Hemet - May 16th-17th, Firm

Oakdale - May 23rd-24th, Estimated

Whittier - June 6th-7th, Estimated

NATS - July 13th-17th, Firm

Hollister - Sept 12th-13th, Estimated

Sacramento - Oct 3rd-4th, Estimated

Lancaster - Oct 17th-18th, Estimated

Arvin, Dist Championships - Oct 31st-Nov 1st, Estimated

Phoenix, Nov 14th-15th, Estimated

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

-

 

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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 16 21:40:00 2008
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:40:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contests for 2009
In-Reply-To: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB20151145A@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
Message-ID: <389916.84763.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I believe Jon Carter is working on the setup dates for some contests Robert. I cc'd him on this in case he didn't get it. Maybe he can help with some. 


Chris   ?  ?  ?

--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com> wrote:
From: Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contests for 2009
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 10:34 PM




 
 






Here are the estimated District 7 contest dates for
2009.? If there are any corrections and/or date confirmations, please let
me know so I can get the list published on the national and D7 sites. 

 ? 

Lancaster - Feb 7th-8th, Firm 

Phoenix - Feb 21st-22nd, Firm 

Yuma - Mar 21st-22nd, Firm 

Riverside - Apr 11th-12th, Estimated 

BARCS - Apr 25th-26th, Estimated 

Hemet - May 16th-17th, Firm 

Oakdale - May 23rd-24th, Estimated 

Whittier - June 6th-7th, Estimated 

NATS - July 13th-17th, Firm 

Hollister - Sept 12th-13th, Estimated 

Sacramento - Oct 3rd-4th, Estimated 

Lancaster - Oct 17th-18th, Estimated 

Arvin, Dist Championships - Oct 31st-Nov 1st, Estimated 

Phoenix, Nov 14th-15th, Estimated 

 ? 

- Robert Beaubien 

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster 

- 

 ? 



 

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From jim.woodward at baesystems.com  Fri Dec 19 04:26:16 2008
From: jim.woodward at baesystems.com (Woodward, Jim (US SSA))
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:26:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Odds/n/ends for sale
In-Reply-To: <8CB2E05D64E9991-15D8-15F3@WEBMAIL-MB03.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7b4e7t$bdbuv@dmzms99902.na.baesystems.com>

HI Guys,

I have a few odd-n-ends for sale.  Please email me if you are interested.  Prices include US shipping:
1. C'Arf Impact fuselage cover $30
2. Osmose fuselage cover (Nice fitted CA Models cover) $50
3. Tensor 4D Foamy: $35
4. Hangar 9 Funtana X .50 - NIB - $200
5. 9WCII - Transmitter used but kept updated with new pots and serviced yearly - $250 (included case)
6. 8 Channel PCM Receivers - 2 - $35 each or $50 for both
7. 9 Chanel PCM RD149 receiver 1, $70
8. OR - 9WCII and receivers noted above for $400

Jim.woodward at baesystems.com

Thanks,
Jim

From ciaikonski at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 07:31:30 2008
From: ciaikonski at gmail.com (Francesco Mordasini)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:31:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Various items for sale
Message-ID: <33F8A9C2-A11E-448E-BFE1-0B0FA437B398@gmail.com>

See list below, contact me off-list, prices are negotiable.

Francesco Mordasini
ciaikonski at gmail.com
AMA		775590
NSRCA		3645

FUTABA MODULES, RECEIVERS, SERVOS
?      FP-TK-FSS 72Mhz Synthesized Module for 9ZWC2 transmitter		$80
?      FP-TK-FM 72Mhz Module for 9ZWC2 Channel 49					$20
?      Futaba R149DP 72Mhz receiver, includes three crystals for
	channels 39, 49, and 59										$70
?     Futaba digital high torque rudder servo S9351      new				$90
?      Futaba digital elevator high speed servo  
S9250                         		$80
?      Futaba S3108 Micro Servo, two sold together for					$15
?      Futaba S136G retract servo										$15

CENTRAL HOBBBIES
?      Hyde Soft Mount ARA (aluminum beam, tapped holes) for OS new	$90
?      True Turn 3 ? aluminum spinner with two lightened backplates  
new	$45
?      True Turn adapter kit      new									$5
?      Retracts with Titanium struts, aluminum axles,
	and Tettra wheels 	new										$50
?      Tettra 20oz tank       
new                                          $7
?      Tettra replacement bladder for Tettra 20oz bubbles tank          
new	$7

O.S. ENGINE PLUS ACCESSORIES								$200
  ?      O.S. 91 FX   new
?      Karl Mueller wrap around header(s)
?      True Turn spinner with light backplate and adapter
?      Various new replacement parts: Stainless steel bearings (front  
and back),
	needle valve and mount, #8 glow plugs, backplate for pumped version
?      APC propellers: 13x8 (two), 13x9 (four), 13x10
?      Silicone couplers new

  HANGAR 9
  ?      Angle Pro      (almost new, used once)							$30

  WEBRA 145/160
  ?      Webra Promix II mixture control carburetor (1056/116)				$40






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From ciaikonski at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 07:39:53 2008
From: ciaikonski at gmail.com (Francesco Mordasini)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:39:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Various Items for Sale
Message-ID: <736E90F3-2A88-4DBD-BB52-CBE990685ECE@gmail.com>

See list below, contact me off-list, prices are negotiable.

Francesco Mordasini
ciaikonski at gmail.com
AMA		775590
NSRCA		3645

FUTABA MODULES, RECEIVERS, SERVOS
?      FP-TK-FSS 72Mhz Synthesized Module for 9ZWC2 transmitter		$80
?      FP-TK-FM 72Mhz Module for 9ZWC2 Channel 49					$20
?      Futaba R149DP 72Mhz receiver, includes three crystals for
	channels 39, 49, and 59										$70
?     Futaba digital high torque rudder servo S9351      new				$90
?      Futaba digital elevator high speed servo  
S9250                         		$80
?      Futaba S3108 Micro Servo, two sold together for					$15
?      Futaba S136G retract servo										$15

CENTRAL HOBBBIES
?      Hyde Soft Mount ARA (aluminum beam, tapped holes) for OS new	$90
?      True Turn 3 ? aluminum spinner with two lightened backplates  
new	$45
?      True Turn adapter kit      new									$5
?      Retracts with Titanium struts, aluminum axles,
	and Tettra wheels 	new										$50
?      Tettra 20oz tank       
new                                          $7
?      Tettra replacement bladder for Tettra 20oz bubbles tank          
new	$7

O.S. ENGINE PLUS ACCESSORIES								$200
  ?      O.S. 91 FX   new
?      Karl Mueller wrap around header(s)
?      True Turn spinner with light backplate and adapter
?      Various new replacement parts: Stainless steel bearings (front  
and back),
	needle valve and mount, #8 glow plugs, backplate for pumped version
?      APC propellers: 13x8 (two), 13x9 (four), 13x10
?      Silicone couplers new

  HANGAR 9
  ?      Angle Pro      (almost new, used once)							$30

  WEBRA 145/160
  ?      Webra Promix II mixture control carburetor (1056/116)				$40
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From kelly.regan2 at verizon.net  Fri Dec 19 08:33:59 2008
From: kelly.regan2 at verizon.net (Kelly Regan)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:33:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Notam for DC area
Message-ID: <494BDADE.2020000@verizon.net>

I found this on Heli 
<http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=4726> Freak:

FAA Notam for DC area

Be advised that as a result of increased VIP traffic in the Washington 
DC area, the FAA has posted a Notam restricting flight operations in and 
around DCA. The restriction does include Model Aircraft Operations, 
which will be prohibited within a 15-mile radius of the DCA VOR/DME 
including the DC FRZ.

The restriction begins 12/17/08 and continues until further notice. We 
will do our best to keep all informed about modifications or changes.

Please make note and plan 
<http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=5583> 
accordingly.

Regards,

Gregory Hahn
Technical Director
AMA

-- 
Kelly


From kelly.regan2 at verizon.net  Fri Dec 19 08:59:56 2008
From: kelly.regan2 at verizon.net (Kelly Regan)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:59:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Notam for DC area
In-Reply-To: <494BDADE.2020000@verizon.net>
References: <494BDADE.2020000@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <494BE0F4.9020308@verizon.net>

Sorry guys, I didn't notice what i pasted had
links embedded in it.


Kelly Regan wrote:
> I found this on Heli 
> <http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=4726> Freak:
>
> FAA Notam for DC area
-- 

Kelly


From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Fri Dec 19 12:29:18 2008
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:29:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
Message-ID: <5B601851460D49A68E4B4DD388FD488E@Tony>

I just got word from RC REPORT Owner and editor Gordon Banks that the March
2009 issue of RC REPORT will be its final issue.  Due to the huge amount of
advertiser cut-backs, they just couldn't continue.  

 

I have enjoyed writing for them, and I am sure that many of you will hate to
hear about their demise.  RC MODELER, and now RC REPORT.  

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

 

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From pcosky at comcast.net  Fri Dec 19 12:36:00 2008
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:36:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
References: <5B601851460D49A68E4B4DD388FD488E@Tony>
Message-ID: <001201c96221$c6c34aa0$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>

That's a shame. When I was a kid there were a few RC magazines. 

Makes one wonder if they or any other magazine could survive as a web only publication? A lot less overhead.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tony 
  To: amadist5 at yahoogroups.com ; 'General pattern discussion' 
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:29 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT


  I just got word from RC REPORT Owner and editor Gordon Banks that the March 2009 issue of RC REPORT will be its final issue.  Due to the huge amount of advertiser cut-backs, they just couldn't continue.  

   

  I have enjoyed writing for them, and I am sure that many of you will hate to hear about their demise.  RC MODELER, and now RC REPORT.  

   

  Tony Stillman, President

  Radio South, Inc.

  139 Altama Connector, Box 322

  Brunswick, GA  31525

  1-800-962-7802

  www.radiosouthrc.com

   



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From houdini76 at aol.com  Fri Dec 19 13:36:27 2008
From: houdini76 at aol.com (houdini76 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:36:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
In-Reply-To: <5B601851460D49A68E4B4DD388FD488E@Tony>
References: <5B601851460D49A68E4B4DD388FD488E@Tony>
Message-ID: <8CB304152F901DD-10C4-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY12.sysops.aol.com>

Maybe Gordon should poll the readership to see if they'd pay?a substantially?higher subscription fee -- I would.

Tony, I?look forward to reading your?column every issue and will miss it.



-----Original Message-----
From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
To: amadist5 at yahoogroups.com; 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 4:29 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT




I just got word from RC REPORT Owner and editor Gordon Banks that the March 2009 issue of RC REPORT will be its final issue.? Due to the huge amount of advertiser cut-backs, they just couldn?t continue.? 

?

I have enjoyed writing for them, and I am sure that many of you will hate to hear about their demise.? RC MODELER, and now RC REPORT.? 

?

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA? 31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From kennedybryan at bellsouth.net  Fri Dec 19 14:38:53 2008
From: kennedybryan at bellsouth.net (Bryan Kennedy)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:38:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
In-Reply-To: <5B601851460D49A68E4B4DD388FD488E@Tony>
Message-ID: <25561EAE4E1E4B9C9909DC32024C2570@BryanKennedyPC>

Tony
 
Thanks for the info. I hate to hear this. I started flying in
Huntsville, AL in 1974 and have known Gordon for many years. I remember
doing a build article for the magazine in the early days. Gordon, I
would love to have a copy of that issue if you recall when that was?
I agree this was a very good magazine and sorry to hear it will no
longer be available.  All the Best to you Gordon and Mina.
 
Kind Regards
 
Bryan Kennedy
AMA L1744
NSRCA 1744
IMAC 1744
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:29 PM
To: amadist5 at yahoogroups.com; 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
 
I just got word from RC REPORT Owner and editor Gordon Banks that the
March 2009 issue of RC REPORT will be its final issue.  Due to the huge
amount of advertiser cut-backs, they just couldn't continue.  
 
I have enjoyed writing for them, and I am sure that many of you will
hate to hear about their demise.  RC MODELER, and now RC REPORT.  
 
Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Fri Dec 19 17:12:44 2008
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:12:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
In-Reply-To: <8CB304152F901DD-10C4-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY12.sysops.aol.com>
References: <5B601851460D49A68E4B4DD388FD488E@Tony>
	<8CB304152F901DD-10C4-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <890DD55C704D4DF5B3520F8FE7AA999D@Tony>

I think it is mainly the advertising problem.  With the economy in the state
it is in, and I know the hobby shops and mail order houses are really having
a tough time right now.. I suspect quite a few will go under over the next
12 months.

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
houdini76 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:36 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; amadist5 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT

 

Maybe Gordon should poll the readership to see if they'd pay a substantially
higher subscription fee -- I would.

Tony, I look forward to reading your column every issue and will miss it.



-----Original Message-----
From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
To: amadist5 at yahoogroups.com; 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 4:29 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT

I just got word from RC REPORT Owner and editor Gordon Banks that the March
2009 issue of RC REPORT will be its final issue.  Due to the huge amount of
advertiser cut-backs, they just couldn't continue.  

 

I have enjoyed writing for them, and I am sure that many of you will hate to
hear about their demise.  RC MODELER, and now RC REPORT.  

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

 <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> www.radiosouthrc.com


 

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From seefo at san.rr.com  Fri Dec 19 17:17:24 2008
From: seefo at san.rr.com (seefo at san.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:17:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
In-Reply-To: <890DD55C704D4DF5B3520F8FE7AA999D@Tony>
Message-ID: <20081220021721.L3D7W.342171.root@cdptpa-web05-z02>

I think it goes much deeper Tony..

In the 'old days' people used to get their information about new products from magazines. In today's world, by the time something hits the magazine print, it's already been discussed in detail for the past 3 months on the internet forums. The print media cannot deliver the instant distribution that electronic forums can.

To be honest, I'm more than a bit shocked there is still ANY life in the print media.

-Doug




---- Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote: 
> I think it is mainly the advertising problem.  With the economy in the state
> it is in, and I know the hobby shops and mail order houses are really having
> a tough time right now.. I suspect quite a few will go under over the next
> 12 months.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Tony Stillman, President
> 
> Radio South, Inc.
> 
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> 
> Brunswick, GA  31525
> 
> 1-800-962-7802
> 
> www.radiosouthrc.com
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> houdini76 at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:36 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; amadist5 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
> 
>  
> 
> Maybe Gordon should poll the readership to see if they'd pay a substantially
> higher subscription fee -- I would.
> 
> Tony, I look forward to reading your column every issue and will miss it.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> To: amadist5 at yahoogroups.com; 'General pattern discussion'
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 4:29 pm
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
> 
> I just got word from RC REPORT Owner and editor Gordon Banks that the March
> 2009 issue of RC REPORT will be its final issue.  Due to the huge amount of
> advertiser cut-backs, they just couldn't continue.  
> 
>  
> 
> I have enjoyed writing for them, and I am sure that many of you will hate to
> hear about their demise.  RC MODELER, and now RC REPORT.  
> 
>  
> 
> Tony Stillman, President
> 
> Radio South, Inc.
> 
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> 
> Brunswick, GA  31525
> 
> 1-800-962-7802
> 
>  <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> www.radiosouthrc.com
> 
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
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>  <http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion>
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> 
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> the holidays - FREE while you browse.
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From kennedybryan at bellsouth.net  Fri Dec 19 17:27:49 2008
From: kennedybryan at bellsouth.net (Bryan Kennedy)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:27:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 14MZ For Sale!!
Message-ID: <756C3D7967474DB1A558E348DA9475B8@BryanKennedyPC>

Just in time for the Holiday's
 
I have a 14MZ for sale, the G3 receiver has never been used, all
accessories including extra TX battery and 2ea. Neck straps. One of them
is a F3A Team USA collectors item from the 2007 Worlds. 
 
See attached picture
 
Asking Price: $1,395.00 includes shipping lower 48 USA
 
Please contact me offline if interested
kennedybryan at bellsouth.net
 
Happy Holidays to everyone!!!!
 
Bryan
AMA L1744
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From tocdon at netscape.net  Fri Dec 19 17:52:54 2008
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:52:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
In-Reply-To: <20081220021721.L3D7W.342171.root@cdptpa-web05-z02>
Message-ID: <8CB30652AE8AA4F-12D4-1C29@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com>

Except when Jason and Joseph were fighting over the last?3 copies of sport flyer magazine in the Orlando hobby shop? Great article on Clover Creek.


-----Original Message-----
From: seefo at san.rr.com
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT



I think it goes much deeper Tony..

In the 'old days' people used to get their information about new products from 
magazines. In today's world, by the time something hits the magazine print, it's 
already been discussed in detail for the past 3 months on the internet forums. 
The print media cannot deliver the instant distribution that electronic forums 
can.

To be honest, I'm more than a bit shocked there is still ANY life in the print 
media.

-Doug




---- Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote: 
> I think it is mainly the advertising problem.  With the economy in the state
> it is in, and I know the hobby shops and mail order houses are really having
> a tough time right now.. I suspect quite a few will go under over the next
> 12 months.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Tony Stillman, President
> 
> Radio South, Inc.
> 
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> 
> Brunswick, GA  31525
> 
> 1-800-962-7802
> 
> www.radiosouthrc.com
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> houdini76 at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:36 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; amadist5 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
> 
>  
> 
> Maybe Gordon should poll the readership to see if they'd pay a substantially
> higher subscription fee -- I would.
> 
> Tony, I look forward to reading your column every issue and will miss it.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> To: amadist5 at yahoogroups.com; 'General pattern discussion'
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 4:29 pm
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
> 
> I just got word from RC REPORT Owner and editor Gordon Banks that the March
> 2009 issue of RC REPORT will be its final issue.  Due to the huge amount of
> advertiser cut-backs, they just couldn't continue.  
> 
>  
> 
> I have enjoyed writing for them, and I am sure that many of you will hate to
> hear about their demise.  RC MODELER, and now RC REPORT.  
> 

>  
> 
> Tony Stillman, President
> 
> Radio South, Inc.
> 
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> 
> Brunswick, GA  31525
> 
> 1-800-962-7802
> 
>  <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> www.radiosouthrc.com
> 
> 
>  
> 
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> 
>  
> 
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> 
> 
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Fri Dec 19 18:10:37 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:10:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
In-Reply-To: <8CB30652AE8AA4F-12D4-1C29@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNCECLDAAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com>

LOL... I guess I need to get into the shops sooner so I don't have to fight
of Joseph next time...

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
tocdon at netscape.net
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:53 PM
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT


  Except when Jason and Joseph were fighting over the last 3 copies of sport
flyer magazine in the Orlando hobby shop  Great article on Clover Creek.


  -----Original Message-----
  From: seefo at san.rr.com
  To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  Sent: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 9:17 pm
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT


I think it goes much deeper Tony..

In the 'old days' people used to get their information about new products
from
magazines. In today's world, by the time something hits the magazine print,
it's
already been discussed in detail for the past 3 months on the internet
forums.
The print media cannot deliver the instant distribution that electronic
forums
can.

To be honest, I'm more than a bit shocked there is still ANY life in the
print
media.

-Doug




---- Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:
> I think it is mainly the advertising problem.  With the economy in the
state
> it is in, and I know the hobby shops and mail order houses are really
having
> a tough time right now.. I suspect quite a few will go under over the next
> 12 months.
>
>
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA  31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
>   _____
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> houdini76 at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:36 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; amadist5 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
>
>
>
> Maybe Gordon should poll the readership to see if they'd pay a
substantially
> higher subscription fee -- I would.
>
> Tony, I look forward to reading your column every issue and will miss it.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> To: amadist5 at yahoogroups.com; 'General pattern discussion'
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 4:29 pm
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
>
> I just got word from RC REPORT Owner and editor Gordon Banks that the
March
> 2009 issue of RC REPORT will be its final issue.  Due to the huge amount
of
> advertiser cut-backs, they just couldn't continue.
>
>
>
> I have enjoyed writing for them, and I am sure that many of you will hate
to
> hear about their demise.  RC MODELER, and now RC REPORT.
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA  31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
>  <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
>
>
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>
>
> Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations - including songs for
> the holidays - FREE while you browse.
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From rgc1701 at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 19 18:53:06 2008
From: rgc1701 at earthlink.net (Robert  Campbell)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:53:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
In-Reply-To: <890DD55C704D4DF5B3520F8FE7AA999D@Tony>
References: <5B601851460D49A68E4B4DD388FD488E@Tony><8CB304152F901DD-10C4-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY12.sysops.aol.com>
	<890DD55C704D4DF5B3520F8FE7AA999D@Tony>
Message-ID: <8C063C796C194B48BF3B818B7DF6D9FC@SID500>

This is really tragic.  I really liked the way RC Report wrote "honest broker"  reviews and told us exactly what they thought about products, the bad, as well as they good.  


Rob
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tony 
  To: 'General pattern discussion' 
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT


  I think it is mainly the advertising problem.  With the economy in the state it is in, and I know the hobby shops and mail order houses are really having a tough time right now.. I suspect quite a few will go under over the next 12 months.

   

   

  Tony Stillman, President

  Radio South, Inc.

  139 Altama Connector, Box 322

  Brunswick, GA  31525

  1-800-962-7802

  www.radiosouthrc.com


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  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of houdini76 at aol.com
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:36 PM
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; amadist5 at yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT

   

  Maybe Gordon should poll the readership to see if they'd pay a substantially higher subscription fee -- I would.

  Tony, I look forward to reading your column every issue and will miss it.



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
  To: amadist5 at yahoogroups.com; 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  Sent: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 4:29 pm
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT

  I just got word from RC REPORT Owner and editor Gordon Banks that the March 2009 issue of RC REPORT will be its final issue.  Due to the huge amount of advertiser cut-backs, they just couldn't continue.  

   

  I have enjoyed writing for them, and I am sure that many of you will hate to hear about their demise.  RC MODELER, and now RC REPORT.  

   

  Tony Stillman, President

  Radio South, Inc.

  139 Altama Connector, Box 322

  Brunswick, GA  31525

  1-800-962-7802

  www.radiosouthrc.com 

   

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From pcosky at comcast.net  Fri Dec 19 19:10:19 2008
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:10:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
References: <5B601851460D49A68E4B4DD388FD488E@Tony><8CB304152F901DD-10C4-C8F@WEBMAIL-DY12.sysops.aol.com><890DD55C704D4DF5B3520F8FE7AA999D@Tony>
	<8C063C796C194B48BF3B818B7DF6D9FC@SID500>
Message-ID: <00ba01c96258$dbe8a1f0$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>

There have been a few publications though out my various interests that would give unbiased reports on products and most of those accepted no outside advertising. Those publications were expensive to the consumer and they were short lived.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Campbell 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT


  This is really tragic.  I really liked the way RC Report wrote "honest broker"  reviews and told us exactly what they thought about products, the bad, as well as they good.  


  Rob
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Tony 
    To: 'General pattern discussion' 
    Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:12 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT


    I think it is mainly the advertising problem.  With the economy in the state it is in, and I know the hobby shops and mail order houses are really having a tough time right now.. I suspect quite a few will go under over the next 12 months.

     

     

    Tony Stillman, President

    Radio South, Inc.

    139 Altama Connector, Box 322

    Brunswick, GA  31525

    1-800-962-7802

    www.radiosouthrc.com


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    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of houdini76 at aol.com
    Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:36 PM
    To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; amadist5 at yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT

     

    Maybe Gordon should poll the readership to see if they'd pay a substantially higher subscription fee -- I would.

    Tony, I look forward to reading your column every issue and will miss it.



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
    To: amadist5 at yahoogroups.com; 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
    Sent: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 4:29 pm
    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT

    I just got word from RC REPORT Owner and editor Gordon Banks that the March 2009 issue of RC REPORT will be its final issue.  Due to the huge amount of advertiser cut-backs, they just couldn't continue.  

     

    I have enjoyed writing for them, and I am sure that many of you will hate to hear about their demise.  RC MODELER, and now RC REPORT.  

     

    Tony Stillman, President

    Radio South, Inc.

    139 Altama Connector, Box 322

    Brunswick, GA  31525

    1-800-962-7802

    www.radiosouthrc.com 

     

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From bob at toprudder.com  Sun Dec 21 04:59:15 2008
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:59:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
In-Reply-To: <20081220021721.L3D7W.342171.root@cdptpa-web05-z02>
Message-ID: <9624.98779.qm@web1110.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

Perhaps the format that Model Airplane News uses (mixture of print and online content) is a?way to go. Despite some disadvantages, I still like printed media.?I don't have online access in my bathroom (yet)!
?
Bob R.


--- On Sat, 12/20/08, seefo at san.rr.com <seefo at san.rr.com> wrote:

I think it goes much deeper Tony..

In the 'old days' people used to get their information about new
products from magazines. In today's world, by the time something hits the
magazine print, it's already been discussed in detail for the past 3 months
on the internet forums. The print media cannot deliver the instant distribution
that electronic forums can.

To be honest, I'm more than a bit shocked there is still ANY life in the
print media.

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From pcosky at comcast.net  Sun Dec 21 05:08:04 2008
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:08:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
References: <9624.98779.qm@web1110.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002801c96375$883b4940$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>

Maybe Santa will bring you a laptop with a wireless card.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Richards 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT


        Perhaps the format that Model Airplane News uses (mixture of print and online content) is a way to go. Despite some disadvantages, I still like printed media. I don't have online access in my bathroom (yet)!

        Bob R.


        --- On Sat, 12/20/08, seefo at san.rr.com <seefo at san.rr.com> wrote:

I think it goes much deeper Tony..

In the 'old days' people used to get their information about new
products from magazines. In today's world, by the time something hits the
magazine print, it's already been discussed in detail for the past 3 months
on the internet forums. The print media cannot deliver the instant distribution
that electronic forums can.

To be honest, I'm more than a bit shocked there is still ANY life in the
print media.

-Doug

 



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From d_bodary at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 05:51:18 2008
From: d_bodary at yahoo.com (Dennis Bodary)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:51:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
In-Reply-To: <002801c96375$883b4940$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
Message-ID: <535507.66320.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

It's to bad about R/C report i still have a subscription to model airplane news but am waiting patiently for it to expire. Oh well with less magazines showing up at my house there will be less fire hazards. I learned quite alot of very practical information. I guess when this all shakes down i will only be getting Model Aviation. 

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
To: bob at toprudder.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 9:07 AM





Maybe Santa will bring you a laptop with a wireless card.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bob Richards 
To: General pattern discussion 
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT






Perhaps the format that Model Airplane News uses (mixture of print and online content) is a?way to go. Despite some disadvantages, I still like printed media.?I don't have online access in my bathroom (yet)!
?
Bob R.


--- On Sat, 12/20/08, seefo at san.rr.com <seefo at san.rr.com> wrote:

I think it goes much deeper Tony..

In the 'old days' people used to get their information about new
products from magazines. In today's world, by the time something hits the
magazine print, it's already been discussed in detail for the past 3 months
on the internet forums. The print media cannot deliver the instant distribution
that electronic forums can.

To be honest, I'm more than a bit shocked there is still ANY life in the
print media.

-Doug





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From jnhiller at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 21 09:19:07 2008
From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:19:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
In-Reply-To: <535507.66320.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPKEJJEDAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>

Give Flying Models a try http://www.flying-models.com/
They cover a broad range of interests and the pattern articles are second to
none.
Jim Hiller

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Dennis Bodary
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:51 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT

It's to bad about R/C report i still have a subscription to model airplane
news but am waiting patiently for it to expire. Oh well with less magazines
showing up at my house there will be less fire hazards. I learned quite alot
of very practical information. I guess when this all shakes down i will only
be getting Model Aviation.

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net> wrote:
From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
To: bob at toprudder.com, "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 9:07 AM
Maybe Santa will bring you a laptop with a wireless card.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Richards <mailto:bob at toprudder.com>
To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT

Perhaps the format that Model Airplane News uses (mixture of print and
online content) is a way to go. Despite some disadvantages, I still like
printed media. I don't have online access in my bathroom (yet)!

Bob R.


--- On Sat, 12/20/08, seefo at san.rr.com <mailto:seefo at san.rr.com>  <
seefo at san.rr.com <mailto:seefo at san.rr.com> > wrote:
I think it goes much deeper Tony..

In the 'old days' people used to get their information about new
products from magazines. In today's world, by the time something hits the
magazine print, it's already been discussed in detail for the past 3 months
on the internet forums. The print media cannot deliver the instant
distribution
that electronic forums can.

To be honest, I'm more than a bit shocked there is still ANY life in the
print media.

-Doug

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From jim.woodward at baesystems.com  Tue Dec 23 03:47:53 2008
From: jim.woodward at baesystems.com (Woodward, Jim (US SSA))
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:47:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Odds/n/ends for sale
In-Reply-To: <7b4e7t$bdbuv@dmzms99902.na.baesystems.com>
Message-ID: <7b4bbp$1kua78@dmzms99802.na.baesystems.com>

HI Guys,

I have a few odd-n-ends for sale.  Please email me if you are
interested.
1. C'Arf Impact fuselage cover $25
2. Osmose fuselage cover (Nice fitted CA Models cover) $35
3. Tensor 4D Foamy: $25
4. Hangar 9 Funtana X .50 - NIB - $200
5. 9 Chanel PCM RD149 receiver 2, $60 each or both for $100.


Jim.woodward at baesystems.com

Thanks,
Jim
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From jim.woodward at baesystems.com  Tue Dec 23 04:29:31 2008
From: jim.woodward at baesystems.com (Woodward, Jim (US SSA))
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:29:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Affordable Electric R/C stuff - 2Dog R/C,
	BPHobbies
Message-ID: <7b4bbp$1kuo6e@dmzms99802.na.baesystems.com>

Hi Guys,

 

I've ordered some things from www.bphobbies.com and the motors and
batteries have worked very well.  The price point is right in the ball
park too.  They ship very fast as well USPS.

 

Today I came across this deal
http://www.2dogrc.com/ecommerce/os/catalog/dualksy-breeze-pattern-plane-
p-2507.html  from 2DogRC.  Their prices also seem right in the
"affordable" ballpark.  

 

Has anyone flown this indoor Breeze plane?  Also, they offer a "budget"
12 amp ESC, 7 grams, that I may be interested in as my 10 amp ESC is
chirping from time to time.  Has anyone used their "Budget" brand of
ESC?

 

I know RVP and Tony also sell lines of electric equipment, but I didn't
see easily referenced by web links.  

 

Thanks,

Jim W.

 

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From cahochhalter at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 05:06:38 2008
From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com (Charles Hochhalter)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:06:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Affordable Electric R/C stuff - 2Dog R/C,
	BPHobbies
In-Reply-To: <7b4bbp$1kuo6e@dmzms99802.na.baesystems.com>
Message-ID: <810247.16370.qm@web83206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If customer service and peace of mind is worth anything, Mark at 2Dog is great.
?
You can always reach him by email or phone within 24 hrs.
?
Chuck Hochhalter

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:

From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Affordable Electric R/C stuff - 2Dog R/C, BPHobbies
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 1:29 PM








Hi Guys,
?
I?ve ordered some things from www.bphobbies.com and the motors and batteries have worked very well.? The price point is right in the ball park too.? They ship very fast as well USPS.
?
Today I came across this deal http://www.2dogrc.com/ecommerce/os/catalog/dualksy-breeze-pattern-plane-p-2507.html? from 2DogRC.? Their prices also seem right in the ?affordable? ballpark.? 
?
Has anyone flown this indoor Breeze plane?? Also, they offer a ?budget? 12 amp ESC, 7 grams, that I may be interested in as my 10 amp ESC is chirping from time to time.? Has anyone used their ?Budget? brand of ESC?
?
I know RVP and Tony also sell lines of electric equipment, but I didn?t see easily referenced by web links.? 
?
Thanks,
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From jlkonn at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 23 06:53:18 2008
From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:53:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
Message-ID: <BLU106-W914C10DB18F80A820FAE3CDEC0@phx.gbl>


The "Geek Squad" is coming today to hook up a LCD big screen we got for Christmas.
(Paula and the kids won't let me touch it...they think I'd mess it up..)
:-(
Anyway, if I ever get the chance...like they've gone for a couple days 
to visit grandma...how's a sim work hooked up to one of these things?
shhhh...
Don't ever tell her I asked!
lol
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From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Dec 23 06:55:57 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:55:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Affordable Electric R/C stuff - 2Dog R/C,
	BPHobbies
In-Reply-To: <7b4bbp$1kuo6e@dmzms99802.na.baesystems.com>
References: <7b4bbp$1kuo6e@dmzms99802.na.baesystems.com>
Message-ID: <4FF4ABA1-209E-486B-9B17-5511EC852A62@cox.net>

Yeah, RVP sells items from BP Hobbies, World Models, Hobby Lobby,  
Maxx Products, Sig , Dualsky, Thunder Tiger and Vampowerpro.  However  
he's lazy and doesn't have a web site because he might get  more  
business than he's willing to handle.

Ron VP

On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Woodward, Jim ((US SSA)) wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> I?ve ordered some things from www.bphobbies.com and the motors and  
> batteries have worked very well.  The price point is right in the  
> ball park too.  They ship very fast as well USPS.
>
>
>
> Today I came across this deal http://www.2dogrc.com/ecommerce/os/ 
> catalog/dualksy-breeze-pattern-plane-p-2507.html  from 2DogRC.   
> Their prices also seem right in the ?affordable? ballpark.
>
>
>
> Has anyone flown this indoor Breeze plane?  Also, they offer a  
> ?budget? 12 amp ESC, 7 grams, that I may be interested in as my 10  
> amp ESC is chirping from time to time.  Has anyone used their  
> ?Budget? brand of ESC?
>
>
>
> I know RVP and Tony also sell lines of electric equipment, but I  
> didn?t see easily referenced by web links.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim W.
>
>
>
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From pcosky at comcast.net  Tue Dec 23 06:58:37 2008
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:58:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
References: <BLU106-W914C10DB18F80A820FAE3CDEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007601c96517$4b5a44b0$4658550a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>

If the one you bought has VGA input it's just like hooking up a monitor to your computer and it's COOL.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Konneker 
  To: Discussion List 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:53 AM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....


  The "Geek Squad" is coming today to hook up a LCD big screen we got for Christmas.
  (Paula and the kids won't let me touch it...they think I'd mess it up..)
  :-(
  Anyway, if I ever get the chance...like they've gone for a couple days 
  to visit grandma...how's a sim work hooked up to one of these things?
  shhhh...
  Don't ever tell her I asked!
  lol
  JLK 



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From twortkoetter at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 07:00:25 2008
From: twortkoetter at yahoo.com (Tim Wortkoetter)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:00:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
References: <BLU106-W914C10DB18F80A820FAE3CDEC0@phx.gbl>
	<007601c96517$4b5a44b0$4658550a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
Message-ID: <64982.69627.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

or if your computer has hdmi output you can use that too.




________________________________
From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:58:20 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....


If the one you bought has VGA input it's just like hooking up a monitor to your computer and it's COOL.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Konneker 
To: Discussion List 
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
The "Geek Squad" is coming today to hook up a LCD big screen we got for Christmas.
(Paula and the kids won't let me touch it...they think I'd mess it up..)
:-(
Anyway, if I?ever get the chance...like they've?gone for a couple days 
to visit grandma...how's a sim?work hooked up to one of these things?
shhhh...
Don't?ever tell her I asked!
lol
JLK?

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From astafford at swtexas.net  Tue Dec 23 07:00:31 2008
From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:00:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W914C10DB18F80A820FAE3CDEC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W914C10DB18F80A820FAE3CDEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003301c96517$90587820$b1096860$@net>

John,

 

Just connect your laptop and go.  It works great.  I love playing with the
heli's on mine.  It's almost life size..

 

Arch

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:53 AM
To: Discussion List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....

 

The "Geek Squad" is coming today to hook up a LCD big screen we got for
Christmas.
(Paula and the kids won't let me touch it...they think I'd mess it up..)
:-(
Anyway, if I ever get the chance...like they've gone for a couple days 
to visit grandma...how's a sim work hooked up to one of these things?
shhhh...
Don't ever tell her I asked!
lol
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From jim.woodward at baesystems.com  Tue Dec 23 07:19:00 2008
From: jim.woodward at baesystems.com (Woodward, Jim (US SSA))
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:19:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Affordable Electric R/C stuff - 2Dog R/C,
	BPHobbies
In-Reply-To: <4FF4ABA1-209E-486B-9B17-5511EC852A62@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7b4e7t$bkps0@dmzms99902.na.baesystems.com>

Thanks Ron - good to know :)

Thanks,
Jim
 
Jim Woodward
Program Manager
BAE Systems
Land & Armaments
Direct: (954)784-3178
FAX: (954)784-3179
Mobile: (954)319-0873
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van
Putte
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:56 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Affordable Electric R/C stuff - 2Dog
R/C,BPHobbies

Yeah, RVP sells items from BP Hobbies, World Models, Hobby Lobby,  
Maxx Products, Sig , Dualsky, Thunder Tiger and Vampowerpro.  However  
he's lazy and doesn't have a web site because he might get  more  
business than he's willing to handle.

Ron VP

On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Woodward, Jim ((US SSA)) wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> I've ordered some things from www.bphobbies.com and the motors and  
> batteries have worked very well.  The price point is right in the  
> ball park too.  They ship very fast as well USPS.
>
>
>
> Today I came across this deal http://www.2dogrc.com/ecommerce/os/ 
> catalog/dualksy-breeze-pattern-plane-p-2507.html  from 2DogRC.   
> Their prices also seem right in the "affordable" ballpark.
>
>
>
> Has anyone flown this indoor Breeze plane?  Also, they offer a  
> "budget" 12 amp ESC, 7 grams, that I may be interested in as my 10  
> amp ESC is chirping from time to time.  Has anyone used their  
> "Budget" brand of ESC?
>
>
>
> I know RVP and Tony also sell lines of electric equipment, but I  
> didn't see easily referenced by web links.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim W.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

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From khoard at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 07:22:41 2008
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:22:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
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Today is the 23d, you're cheating!!!

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:53 AM, John Konneker <jlkonn at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  The "Geek Squad" is coming today to hook up a LCD big screen we got for
> Christmas.
> (Paula and the kids won't let me touch it...they think I'd mess it up..)
> :-(
> Anyway, if I ever get the chance...like they've gone for a couple days
> to visit grandma...how's a sim work hooked up to one of these things?
> shhhh...
> Don't ever tell her I asked!
> lol
> JLK
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From schale at optonline.net  Tue Dec 23 07:36:10 2008
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:36:10 -0000
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 23 07:52:16 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:52:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
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And there are converter DVI to HDMI plugs available and work well.  G4.5 has a little higher resolution so you can see the airplane 'out there' on turnarounds easier...  Monster is pretty proud of their cables and adapters, though...  I think 'S' video is still used, works OK and those cables aren't outrageously priced.
RS



Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:35:53 -0500From: schale at optonline.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....I hook up my sons computer to a 52" LCD.  With the plain vga connector I can't get a full screen or the higher resolutions.  With the HDMI input from tthe DVI output of the video card (some cards have hdmi output) you can get the higher resolutions and full screen.  You will probably need a USB extension cord from your transmitter to be able to stand in front of the monitor though.  A wireless connection from your transmitter would be nice :)Stuart C.John Konneker wrote: 


The "Geek Squad" is coming today to hook up a LCD big screen we got for Christmas.(Paula and the kids won't let me touch it...they think I'd mess it up..):-(Anyway, if I ever get the chance...like they've gone for a couple days to visit grandma...how's a sim work hooked up to one of these things?shhhh...Don't ever tell her I asked!lolJLK 
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From schale at optonline.net  Tue Dec 23 07:58:38 2008
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 23 08:45:37 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:45:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
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I'm always about one step behind the tech curve on most everything (I generally drool a lot before buying)--so of course I got a decent receiver right before HDMI switching became available--kind of like buying a WC2 a few months before the MZ was announced...  So to work around it and still get everything to work reasonably well, I have become fairly adept at adapting, converting and learning how to switch stuff with the various remotes.  I seem to come up short of something at 8:30 pm--just in time to make a quick run to Radio Shack--and I PAY for it...
RS



Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:58:22 -0500From: schale at optonline.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....Check out eforcity.comVery affordable cables and adapters.  Most with free shipping.Stuart C.Richard Strickland wrote: 


And there are converter DVI to HDMI plugs available and work well.  G4.5 has a little higher resolution so you can see the airplane 'out there' on turnarounds easier...  Monster is pretty proud of their cables and adapters, though...  I think 'S' video is still used, works OK and those cables aren't outrageously priced.RS

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:35:53 -0500From: schale at optonline.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....I hook up my sons computer to a 52" LCD.  With the plain vga connector I can't get a full screen or the higher resolutions.  With the HDMI input from tthe DVI output of the video card (some cards have hdmi output) you can get the higher resolutions and full screen.  You will probably need a USB extension cord from your transmitter to be able to stand in front of the monitor though.  A wireless connection from your transmitter would be nice :)Stuart C.John Konneker wrote: 


The "Geek Squad" is coming today to hook up a LCD big screen we got for Christmas.(Paula and the kids won't let me touch it...they think I'd mess it up..):-(Anyway, if I ever get the chance...like they've gone for a couple days to visit grandma...how's a sim work hooked up to one of these things?shhhh...Don't ever tell her I asked!lolJLK 
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From CHV69 at aol.com  Tue Dec 23 08:58:29 2008
From: CHV69 at aol.com (CHV69 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:58:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
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In a message dated 12/23/2008 10:53:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jlkonn at hotmail.com writes:

The  "Geek Squad" is coming today to hook up a LCD big screen we got for  
Christmas.
(Paula and the kids won't let me touch it...they think I'd mess  it up..)
:-(
Anyway, if I ever get the chance...like  they've gone for a couple days 
to visit grandma...how's a  sim work hooked up to one of these things?
shhhh...
Don't ever  tell her I asked!


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From khoard at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 09:56:00 2008
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:56:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
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"Monster" prices are a waste. . . HDMI signals are digital so paying for the
gold plating won't make the signal "clearer".

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Richard Strickland
<pamrich47 at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  And there are converter DVI to HDMI plugs available and work well.  G4.5
> has a little higher resolution so you can see the airplane 'out there' on
> turnarounds easier...  Monster is pretty proud of their cables and adapters,
> though...  I think 'S' video is still used, works OK and those cables aren't
> outrageously priced.
> RS
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:35:53 -0500
> From: schale at optonline.net
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
>
> I hook up my sons computer to a 52" LCD.  With the plain vga connector I
> can't get a full screen or the higher resolutions.  With the HDMI input from
> tthe DVI output of the video card (some cards have hdmi output) you can get
> the higher resolutions and full screen.  You will probably need a USB
> extension cord from your transmitter to be able to stand in front of the
> monitor though.  A wireless connection from your transmitter would be nice
> :)
> Stuart C.
>
> John Konneker wrote:
>
> The "Geek Squad" is coming today to hook up a LCD big screen we got for
> Christmas.
> (Paula and the kids won't let me touch it...they think I'd mess it up..)
> :-(
> Anyway, if I ever get the chance...like they've gone for a couple days
> to visit grandma...how's a sim work hooked up to one of these things?
> shhhh...
> Don't ever tell her I asked!
> lol
> JLK
>
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 23 10:14:12 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:14:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
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Late at night--only girl in town....
 
HOWEVER...I would suggest using a good quality plug/cable as there are several connections made in that little jewel.
 
As an aside--in case one doesn't know--if you are using composite(the three cable set-up) and your stuff is in any way capable of using HDMI or DVI/HDMI--even if it means doing some extra switching to get it working--It IS worth it.
 
RS



Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:55:57 -0500From: khoard at gmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious...."Monster" prices are a waste. . . HDMI signals are digital so paying for the gold plating won't make the signal "clearer".  
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> wrote:

And there are converter DVI to HDMI plugs available and work well.  G4.5 has a little higher resolution so you can see the airplane 'out there' on turnarounds easier...  Monster is pretty proud of their cables and adapters, though...  I think 'S' video is still used, works OK and those cables aren't outrageously priced.RS

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:35:53 -0500From: schale at optonline.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....I hook up my sons computer to a 52" LCD.  With the plain vga connector I can't get a full screen or the higher resolutions.  With the HDMI input from tthe DVI output of the video card (some cards have hdmi output) you can get the higher resolutions and full screen.  You will probably need a USB extension cord from your transmitter to be able to stand in front of the monitor though.  A wireless connection from your transmitter would be nice :)Stuart C.John Konneker wrote: 
The "Geek Squad" is coming today to hook up a LCD big screen we got for Christmas.(Paula and the kids won't let me touch it...they think I'd mess it up..):-(Anyway, if I ever get the chance...like they've gone for a couple days to visit grandma...how's a sim work hooked up to one of these things?shhhh...Don't ever tell her I asked!lolJLK 
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From brian_w_young at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 11:58:25 2008
From: brian_w_young at yahoo.com (brian young)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:58:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
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If you are having others?install this stuff you should check their plans and what cables. The guy that did ours for some reason chose not to use HDMI although every component was capable. Wife had it installed as a gift so I came home to a giant TV which was cool.

...ehh.... not really the electronics forum....lol

so...to bring it back to pattern...i need to get a new computer and flight sim now...there..hows that.... 

Brian



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From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:14:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....

Late at night--only girl in town....
?
HOWEVER...I would suggest using a good quality plug/cable as there are several connections made in that little jewel.
?
As an aside--in case one doesn't know--if you are using composite(the three cable set-up)?and your stuff is in any way capable of using HDMI or DVI/HDMI--even if it means doing some extra switching to get it working--It IS worth it.
?
RS


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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:55:57 -0500
From: khoard at gmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....

"Monster" prices are a waste. . . HDMI signals are digital so paying for the gold plating won't make the signal "clearer".? 



On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> wrote:

And there are converter DVI to HDMI plugs available and work well.? G4.5 has a little higher resolution so you can see the airplane 'out there' on turnarounds easier...? Monster is pretty proud of their cables and adapters, though...? I think 'S' video is still used, works OK and those cables aren't outrageously priced.
RS


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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:35:53 -0500
From: schale at optonline.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....

I hook up my sons computer to a 52" LCD.? With the plain vga connector I can't get a full screen or the higher resolutions.? With the HDMI input from tthe DVI output of the video card (some cards have hdmi output) you can get the higher resolutions and full screen.? You will probably need a USB extension cord from your transmitter to be able to stand in front of the monitor though.? A wireless connection from your transmitter would be nice :)
Stuart C.

John Konneker wrote: 

The "Geek Squad" is coming today to hook up a LCD big screen we got for Christmas.
(Paula and the kids won't let me touch it...they think I'd mess it up..)
:-(
Anyway, if I?ever get the chance...like they've?gone for a couple days 
to visit grandma...how's a sim?work hooked up to one of these things?
shhhh...
Don't?ever tell her I asked!
lol
JLK?


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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 23 12:16:15 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:16:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....
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Yeah, and if you get a 24" monitor,and get a half price Pinnacle Ultra Stick TV tuner(Woot) you can practice and have your favorite team (KC) losing in the corner. Life is good...better when they win...  fat chance...
 
RS



Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:58:21 -0800From: brian_w_young at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....



If you are having others install this stuff you should check their plans and what cables. The guy that did ours for some reason chose not to use HDMI although every component was capable. Wife had it installed as a gift so I came home to a giant TV which was cool.
 
...ehh.... not really the electronics forum....lol
 
so...to bring it back to pattern...i need to get a new computer and flight sim now...there..hows that.... 
 
Brian



From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:14:10 PMSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....

Late at night--only girl in town.... HOWEVER...I would suggest using a good quality plug/cable as there are several connections made in that little jewel. As an aside--in case one doesn't know--if you are using composite(the three cable set-up) and your stuff is in any way capable of using HDMI or DVI/HDMI--even if it means doing some extra switching to get it working--It IS worth it. RS

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:55:57 -0500From: khoard at gmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious...."Monster" prices are a waste. . . HDMI signals are digital so paying for the gold plating won't make the signal "clearer".  
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> wrote:

And there are converter DVI to HDMI plugs available and work well.  G4.5 has a little higher resolution so you can see the airplane 'out there' on turnarounds easier...  Monster is pretty proud of their cables and adapters, though...  I think 'S' video is still used, works OK and those cables aren't outrageously priced.RS

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:35:53 -0500From: schale at optonline.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I'm curious....I hook up my sons computer to a 52" LCD.  With the plain vga connector I can't get a full screen or the higher resolutions.  With the HDMI input from tthe DVI output of the video card (some cards have hdmi output) you can get the higher resolutions and full screen.  You will probably need a USB extension cord from your transmitter to be able to stand in front of the monitor though.  A wireless connection from your transmitter would be nice :)Stuart C.John Konneker wrote: 
The "Geek Squad" is coming today to hook up a LCD big screen we got for Christmas.(Paula and the kids won't let me touch it...they think I'd mess it up..):-(Anyway, if I ever get the chance...like they've gone for a couple days to visit grandma...how's a sim work hooked up to one of these things?shhhh...Don't ever tell her I asked!lolJLK 
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec 24 06:51:46 2008
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (billglaze)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:51:46 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT
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I was thinking about this and I remember when Gordon wouldn't accept advertising at all.  He stated that it would interfere with the objectivity that he was trying to project, if he was criticizing the very products that were being advertised in the magazine.  And, further, of course, the advertisers wouldn't like it either.
Hated to see it; I had done some kit reviews for Gordon over the years; nice person, and, one always hates to see a small business, (or a big one, for that matter) fail.
Bill G
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tony 
  To: amadist5 at yahoogroups.com ; 'General pattern discussion' 
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:29 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] RC REPORT


  I just got word from RC REPORT Owner and editor Gordon Banks that the March 2009 issue of RC REPORT will be its final issue.  Due to the huge amount of advertiser cut-backs, they just couldn't continue.  

   

  I have enjoyed writing for them, and I am sure that many of you will hate to hear about their demise.  RC MODELER, and now RC REPORT.  

   

  Tony Stillman, President

  Radio South, Inc.

  139 Altama Connector, Box 322

  Brunswick, GA  31525

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From: geobet at gis.net (george w. kennie)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 16:11:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: [SPAM?] LiPo Battery Comparison
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Merry Christmas guys !...............Thought someone out there might find this attachment info of value. Give a look.

Georgie



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OK, I've been hearing good things about the Rhino LiPo packs on RCGroups forums. Also, I have measured 1330 watts and 93 amps when running a new ($67.00) Rhino 4000mAH 4 cell pack and an ARC 28-47-1 motor in my dear departed Twister while I could only get 1100 watts and 82 amps with the more expensive ($146.00) PolyQuest 4350mAH 4 cell pack. Several Gloucester RC Flyers have also had good things to say about these new packs from Hobby City (aka Hobby King, aka United Hobbies). So I decided to do some tests.



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From KTHOMPSON56 at satx.rr.com  Thu Dec 25 07:55:09 2008
From: KTHOMPSON56 at satx.rr.com (Ken Thompson)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 16:55:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: [SPAM?] LiPo Battery Comparison
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Good info Georgie,

Merry Christmas to you and to the rest on the list!

Ken
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  From: george w. kennie 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 10:11 AM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: [SPAM?] LiPo Battery Comparison


  Merry Christmas guys !...............Thought someone out there might find this attachment info of value. Give a look.

  Georgie



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  From: Greg Lemnah 
  To: 'Charlie Carroll' ; 'Alexander Monell' ; 'JHill' ; 'Bruce Deltorceo' ; 'Bob Jaremsek' ; 'Colman Crowley' ; 'George Kennie' ; 'Mike Vasapoli' ; 'Ray Melanson' ; 'Shawn M. Dodge' ; 'Steve Niemi' ; 'Al Bernier' ; stevef40z at yahoo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 11:24 PM
  Subject: [SPAM?] LiPo Battery Comparison


  OK, I've been hearing good things about the Rhino LiPo packs on RCGroups forums. Also, I have measured 1330 watts and 93 amps when running a new ($67.00) Rhino 4000mAH 4 cell pack and an ARC 28-47-1 motor in my dear departed Twister while I could only get 1100 watts and 82 amps with the more expensive ($146.00) PolyQuest 4350mAH 4 cell pack. Several Gloucester RC Flyers have also had good things to say about these new packs from Hobby City (aka Hobby King, aka United Hobbies). So I decided to do some tests.



  Here are some numbers that I generated last night (see the attachment).



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From precisionaero at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 26 14:26:36 2008
From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:26:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors
In-Reply-To: <00c601c965df$876f23d0$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst>
References: <5B601851460D49A68E4B4DD388FD488E@Tony>
	<00c601c965df$876f23d0$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst>
Message-ID: <BLU115-W720FE90428807C7566394A0EB0@phx.gbl>


Hello all.  I am restoring my old Sig Kadet MK II per my boys request.  I need to re-cover the wing and I would perfer to use Monokote Sky Blue to match the fuse.  I will also need to paint a new cowl.  In the OLD days, Pactra made matching paints, but it looks like they are owned by Testors now and the airplane selection is not what it used to be.  Lusterkote is also very limited and does not carry Sky Blue.  So, where do I go for the full range of Monokote colors?  Anyone know?
 
Mike Cohen
D4
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From lld613 at psci.net  Fri Dec 26 14:41:58 2008
From: lld613 at psci.net (Lisa & Larry)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:41:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors
In-Reply-To: <BLU115-W720FE90428807C7566394A0EB0@phx.gbl>
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Radio South

 

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 5:27 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors

 

Hello all.  I am restoring my old Sig Kadet MK II per my boys request.  I
need to re-cover the wing and I would perfer to use Monokote Sky Blue to
match the fuse.  I will also need to paint a new cowl.  In the OLD days,
Pactra made matching paints, but it looks like they are owned by Testors now
and the airplane selection is not what it used to be.  Lusterkote is also
very limited and does not carry Sky Blue.  So, where do I go for the full
range of Monokote colors?  Anyone know?
 
Mike Cohen
D4

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From pcosky at comcast.net  Fri Dec 26 14:53:00 2008
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:53:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors
References: <5B601851460D49A68E4B4DD388FD488E@Tony><00c601c965df$876f23d0$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst>
	<BLU115-W720FE90428807C7566394A0EB0@phx.gbl>
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Mike,

You might try Radio South, but barring that last time I needed to match monokote I went to my local auto paint supplier and had them mix it up for me. I was painting a Prophecy fuselage then and didn't mind having to buy a quart of color. If the guys take an interest they might cut you a break on quantity.


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Cohen 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:26 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors


  Hello all.  I am restoring my old Sig Kadet MK II per my boys request.  I need to re-cover the wing and I would perfer to use Monokote Sky Blue to match the fuse.  I will also need to paint a new cowl.  In the OLD days, Pactra made matching paints, but it looks like they are owned by Testors now and the airplane selection is not what it used to be.  Lusterkote is also very limited and does not carry Sky Blue.  So, where do I go for the full range of Monokote colors?  Anyone know?
   
  Mike Cohen
  D4


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From precisionaero at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 26 15:31:44 2008
From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:31:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors
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	<BLU115-W720FE90428807C7566394A0EB0@phx.gbl> 
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Thanks, I shall give them a call.

From: pcosky at comcast.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:52:56 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors


Mike,
 
You might try Radio South, but barring that last time I needed to match monokote I went to my local auto paint supplier and had them mix it up for me. I was painting a Prophecy fuselage then and didn't mind having to buy a quart of color. If the guys take an interest they might cut you a break on quantity.
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 

From: Michael Cohen 
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:26 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors
Hello all.  I am restoring my old Sig Kadet MK II per my boys request.  I need to re-cover the wing and I would perfer to use Monokote Sky Blue to match the fuse.  I will also need to paint a new cowl.  In the OLD days, Pactra made matching paints, but it looks like they are owned by Testors now and the airplane selection is not what it used to be.  Lusterkote is also very limited and does not carry Sky Blue.  So, where do I go for the full range of Monokote colors?  Anyone know? Mike CohenD4

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From kvelez at rochester.rr.com  Fri Dec 26 15:46:43 2008
From: kvelez at rochester.rr.com (Ken)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:46:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors
In-Reply-To: <BLU115-W720FE90428807C7566394A0EB0@phx.gbl>
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Hi Mike,

There is not much out there as far as ready to apply/spray Monokote matching
colors. If you have the capabilities to mix and spray the paint your best
bet will be Radio South. You can buy as little as 2 oz, I think, of all the
parts needed rather than buying a whole qt of paint, reducer and activator
to use 1/2 oz total. My personal experience with local paint dealers is that
they want to sell you a minimum of 1/2 qt or greater which is more than our
application needs. If you don't have a compressor, paint gun etc... you can
get an inexpensive touch up kit at you local auto paint store that has a
glass jar, and the compressed gas and the nozzle that looks like a spray
can, I can't think of the name of it but if I come across it will let you
know.

Ken
  -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Michael Cohen
  Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:27 PM
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors


  Hello all.  I am restoring my old Sig Kadet MK II per my boys request.  I
need to re-cover the wing and I would perfer to use Monokote Sky Blue to
match the fuse.  I will also need to paint a new cowl.  In the OLD days,
Pactra made matching paints, but it looks like they are owned by Testors now
and the airplane selection is not what it used to be.  Lusterkote is also
very limited and does not carry Sky Blue.  So, where do I go for the full
range of Monokote colors?  Anyone know?

  Mike Cohen
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From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net  Fri Dec 26 17:01:00 2008
From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:01:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors
In-Reply-To: <BLU115-W6E6E49BE5459B32A5E8AAA0E80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20081226200053.EKOZ2.338859.root@Web02>

If you are looking for a less toxic alternative, you might look at Nelson Hobbies System 3 Resin paints:

http://www.nelsonhobby.com/paint.html

I'm trying them on my next projects.

G
---- Michael Cohen <precisionaero at hotmail.com> wrote: 

=============

Thanks, I shall give them a call.

From: pcosky at comcast.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:52:56 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors


Mike,
 
You might try Radio South, but barring that last time I needed to match monokote I went to my local auto paint supplier and had them mix it up for me. I was painting a Prophecy fuselage then and didn't mind having to buy a quart of color. If the guys take an interest they might cut you a break on quantity.
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 

From: Michael Cohen 
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:26 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors
Hello all.  I am restoring my old Sig Kadet MK II per my boys request.  I need to re-cover the wing and I would perfer to use Monokote Sky Blue to match the fuse.  I will also need to paint a new cowl.  In the OLD days, Pactra made matching paints, but it looks like they are owned by Testors now and the airplane selection is not what it used to be.  Lusterkote is also very limited and does not carry Sky Blue.  So, where do I go for the full range of Monokote colors?  Anyone know? Mike CohenD4

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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Sat Dec 27 09:18:24 2008
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (billglaze)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:18:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors
References: <5B601851460D49A68E4B4DD388FD488E@Tony><00c601c965df$876f23d0$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst>
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Tony Stillman--Radio South is a good start.  I just ordered some matching Monokote Paint colors from him.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Cohen 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:26 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Matching Monokote colors


  Hello all.  I am restoring my old Sig Kadet MK II per my boys request.  I need to re-cover the wing and I would perfer to use Monokote Sky Blue to match the fuse.  I will also need to paint a new cowl.  In the OLD days, Pactra made matching paints, but it looks like they are owned by Testors now and the airplane selection is not what it used to be.  Lusterkote is also very limited and does not carry Sky Blue.  So, where do I go for the full range of Monokote colors?  Anyone know?
   
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From rob at koolsoft.com  Sat Dec 27 14:36:39 2008
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:36:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter
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Ok I finally got my radio back and I'm working through the file format.
For those that would like to help me map out the futaba file format,
please let me know which radio you have, and which module you use?  I
need to know this to determine which set of files to send you to make
changes to.  

 

Obviously this will be easiest for the 12z and 14mz users that have a
memory card and a way to access that memory card from their computer.  I
figure I can use 2 good helpers in this endeavour.

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

-

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Beaubien
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:32 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter

 

	I want to see if there is interest in a model file editor that
will open model files from Futaba
<http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=6405>
14MZ/12Z/12FG and/or JR 9303/10x/12x and allow editing and/or converting
between any of those radios. If anyone is interested in such a utility,
please let me know here. I would also need to know if anyone would be
interested in helping test such a utility during development. 
	
	The utility would be able to do the following 
	
	1. Read .mdl files from Futaba 14MZ/12Z directly from memory
card 
	2. Read .mdl files from Futaba 12FG after user moved file from
memory card to harddrive using other available utilities. 
	3. Read model files from JR 9303/10x/12x after user moved files
from radio using the PC link. 
	4. Allow editing all model files (to the extend I can decypher) 
	5. Convert model files from/to any of the above radio formats 
	6. Maintain database of model files and history of specific
model files. 
	7. Generate XML file detailing model file definitions. 
	
	+ any other good features you guys can come up with. 
	
	I already have a good headstart on the Futaba file format and
can already make changes to that format. Its simply a matter of mapping
the location of all the radio features. 
	
	Let me know....

	 

	 

	- Robert Beaubien

	- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Sat Dec 27 16:49:49 2008
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:49:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter
References: <BAY128-W46B52CD3482E964E1B3740A0F40@phx.gbl><PKEJKIOCAGMLLNFJCJNNGEBADAAA.jshulman@cfl.rr.com><F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2010AD639@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
	<F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB2015114F9@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c9688e$78c39c60$9501a8c0@GW7422>

Robert,
 I have a 12Z and a 12FG. I'm also an embedded systems Engineer and I've written a few PC applications using VB6 and VC++. I'd be glad to help with your project. Contact me off list with details.

John Pavlick
http://www.idseng.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert L. Beaubien 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter


  Ok I finally got my radio back and I'm working through the file format.  For those that would like to help me map out the futaba file format, please let me know which radio you have, and which module you use?  I need to know this to determine which set of files to send you to make changes to.  

   

  Obviously this will be easiest for the 12z and 14mz users that have a memory card and a way to access that memory card from their computer.  I figure I can use 2 good helpers in this endeavour.

   

  - Robert Beaubien

  - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

  -

   

  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Robert L. Beaubien
  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:32 PM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Model file editor/Converter

   

    I want to see if there is interest in a model file editor that will open model files from Futaba 14MZ/12Z/12FG and/or JR 9303/10x/12x and allow editing and/or converting between any of those radios. If anyone is interested in such a utility, please let me know here. I would also need to know if anyone would be interested in helping test such a utility during development. 

    The utility would be able to do the following 

    1. Read .mdl files from Futaba 14MZ/12Z directly from memory card 
    2. Read .mdl files from Futaba 12FG after user moved file from memory card to harddrive using other available utilities. 
    3. Read model files from JR 9303/10x/12x after user moved files from radio using the PC link. 
    4. Allow editing all model files (to the extend I can decypher) 
    5. Convert model files from/to any of the above radio formats 
    6. Maintain database of model files and history of specific model files. 
    7. Generate XML file detailing model file definitions. 

    + any other good features you guys can come up with. 

    I already have a good headstart on the Futaba file format and can already make changes to that format. Its simply a matter of mapping the location of all the radio features. 

    Let me know....

     

     

    - Robert Beaubien

    - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster

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From simestd at netexpress.com  Sat Dec 27 19:51:04 2008
From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:51:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Reminder for AOL members on NSRCA lists
Message-ID: <20081227195100.7f8aeff6.simestd@netexpress.com>


Hello all,

This is a periodic polite reminder to those from AOL who are subscribed
to NSRCA lists.  Please be careful with the SPAM reporting function
built into the AOL interface.  Over the past several days, 8-10
messages from both the main nsrca-discussion as well as the district 8
list have been reported to AOL as SPAM.  I can only presume that the
person probably meant to delete the mail but accidently reported it as
SPAM to AOL.

This doesn't affect non-AOL members of the list, but if it happens often
enough, AOL will ban receipt of list messages to their members.

As a side note for the whole group, if you have any questions or
problems with the NSRCA lists, please don't hesitate to drop me a note.

Tom
 
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         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

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From jlkonn at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 28 11:54:42 2008
From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:54:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] ESC programming
Message-ID: <BLU106-W45712CF6B693C1A91E7214CDE90@phx.gbl>


Anyone have instructions for programming an "OEMRC Pulsar-60A" ESC?
Thanks!
JLK
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From duane.e.beck at comcast.net  Sun Dec 28 14:24:26 2008
From: duane.e.beck at comcast.net (Duane Beck)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:24:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] ESC programming
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W45712CF6B693C1A91E7214CDE90@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W45712CF6B693C1A91E7214CDE90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49580AA6.604@comcast.net>

John Konneker wrote:
> Anyone have instructions for programming an "OEMRC Pulsar-60A" ESC?
> Thanks!
> JLK

Google says:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2169

Duane

From jlkonn at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 28 15:06:29 2008
From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:06:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] ESC programming
In-Reply-To: <49580AA6.604@comcast.net>
References: <BLU106-W45712CF6B693C1A91E7214CDE90@phx.gbl>
	<49580AA6.604@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BLU106-W2259B052DF38B5853E26DECDE60@phx.gbl>


Thanks Duane but what I was looking for is sequence of tones spelled out, the order, etc.
for programming it with the transmitter throttle stick.
I did order one of those those.
Thanks again!
JLK> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:24:22 -0500> From: duane.e.beck at comcast.net> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] ESC programming> > John Konneker wrote:> > Anyone have instructions for programming an "OEMRC Pulsar-60A" ESC?> > Thanks!> > JLK> > Google says:> http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2169> > Duane> _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From khoard at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 15:59:09 2008
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:59:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] ESC programming
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W2259B052DF38B5853E26DECDE60@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W45712CF6B693C1A91E7214CDE90@phx.gbl>
	<49580AA6.604@comcast.net>
	<BLU106-W2259B052DF38B5853E26DECDE60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6792ef120812281659g79ccfecbl35689834b162978d@mail.gmail.com>

Booop - Beeep - Beeep - - - - Beeep -- Boopopop - Bop . . .

On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:06 PM, John Konneker <jlkonn at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Thanks Duane but what I was looking for is sequence of tones spelled out,
> the order, etc.
> for programming it with the transmitter throttle stick.
> I did order one of those those.
> Thanks again!
> JLK
>
> > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:24:22 -0500
> > From: duane.e.beck at comcast.net
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] ESC programming
> >
> > John Konneker wrote:
> > > Anyone have instructions for programming an "OEMRC Pulsar-60A" ESC?
> > > Thanks!
> > > JLK
> >
> > Google says:
> > http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2169
> >
> > Duane
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
>
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From Autoford6 at aol.com  Mon Dec 29 16:45:58 2008
From: Autoford6 at aol.com (Autoford6 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:45:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] test
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 29 17:07:26 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:07:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] test
In-Reply-To: <bbf.4123c959.368ad74d@aol.com>
References: <bbf.4123c959.368ad74d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W2777A450C80CF1DEB26E1DA0E70@phx.gbl>


Yes in KC!

From: Autoford6 at aol.comDate: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:45:49 -0500To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] test
test
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From flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 29 17:32:05 2008
From: flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net (William C. Harden)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:32:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] test
In-Reply-To: <bbf.4123c959.368ad74d@aol.com>
References: <bbf.4123c959.368ad74d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <04640639C2DE40C593AEC9D566C8866C@bill>

Received in Alabama.

 

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
Autoford6 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:46 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] test

 

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From mjfrederick at cox.net  Mon Dec 29 17:43:40 2008
From: mjfrederick at cox.net (Matthew Frederick)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:43:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Question about 2.4 receiver installation
Message-ID: <AAE8E48E13CB44728A85422828A528C2@Mattmobile>

Well, the list has been really slow, so I figured I would pose a question. I just ordered my first 2.4 GHz system (Futaba 10C) and wanted to get suggestions for receiver installation. Are there any do's or don't's when it comes to position, antenna orientation, etc? The first airplane I will be using this is will be an all-wood airplane (a one-of-a-kind Bryan Hebert design... OK, to be honest there are 2 of them, but this is the only one that ever flew). I've read bits and pieces here and there about the 2.4 systems not liking carbon fiber (or maybe I was taking the comments wrong?) or potential interference resulting from the interaction between the two. Anyway, any input will be helpful, and I'm not in love with the 2.4 revolution yet so any negative comments will not be met with resistance.

Matt
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From cweimer at tconl.com  Mon Dec 29 19:01:53 2008
From: cweimer at tconl.com (Claude Weimer)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:01:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] test
In-Reply-To: <bbf.4123c959.368ad74d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <72983E3999274A918D2971AA879B6C2E@Claude>

Yes in Omaha.

 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
Autoford6 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:46 PM
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From astafford at swtexas.net  Mon Dec 29 19:09:56 2008
From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:09:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Question about 2.4 receiver installation
In-Reply-To: <AAE8E48E13CB44728A85422828A528C2@Mattmobile>
References: <AAE8E48E13CB44728A85422828A528C2@Mattmobile>
Message-ID: <00c701c96a34$7427aa50$5c76fef0$@net>

Just follow the instructions that come with it.  Don't' have it laying on
carbon or anything, but being under a carbon canopy isn't a problem.  I have
been flying the 2.4 Futaba stuff in my Black magic with the carbon canopy
with no problems.  Just make sure the antennae are 90 degrees to each other
as shown in the instructions and go fly.  I converted all of my 40% stuff,
my pattern stuff and everything else and have had zero problems.

 

Arch

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Matthew
Frederick
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:43 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Question about 2.4 receiver installation

 

Well, the list has been really slow, so I figured I would pose a question. I
just ordered my first 2.4 GHz system (Futaba 10C) and wanted to get
suggestions for receiver installation. Are there any do's or don't's when it
comes to position, antenna orientation, etc? The first airplane I will be
using this is will be an all-wood airplane (a one-of-a-kind Bryan Hebert
design... OK, to be honest there are 2 of them, but this is the only one
that ever flew). I've read bits and pieces here and there about the 2.4
systems not liking carbon fiber (or maybe I was taking the comments wrong?)
or potential interference resulting from the interaction between the two.
Anyway, any input will be helpful, and I'm not in love with the 2.4
revolution yet so any negative comments will not be met with resistance.

 

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From shineyobject at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 04:14:41 2008
From: shineyobject at gmail.com (Mike Robinson)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:14:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Question about 2.4 receiver installation
In-Reply-To: <00c701c96a34$7427aa50$5c76fef0$@net>
References: <AAE8E48E13CB44728A85422828A528C2@Mattmobile>
	<00c701c96a34$7427aa50$5c76fef0$@net>
Message-ID: <98f532de0812300514w9963889mf8d41ba1a5270a5a@mail.gmail.com>

Matt - In addition to what Arch said I would only add that you might want to
take an extra clean up cloth. You will need it to wipe the smile from your
face once you realize you have no competition for a frequency.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Archie Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net>wrote:

>  Just follow the instructions that come with it.  Don't' have it laying on
> carbon or anything, but being under a carbon canopy isn't a problem.  I have
> been flying the 2.4 Futaba stuff in my Black magic with the carbon canopy
> with no problems.  Just make sure the antennae are 90 degrees to each other
> as shown in the instructions and go fly.  I converted all of my 40% stuff,
> my pattern stuff and everything else and have had zero problems.
>
>
>
> Arch
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Frederick
> *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2008 8:43 PM
> *To:* nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Question about 2.4 receiver installation
>
>
>
> Well, the list has been really slow, so I figured I would pose a question.
> I just ordered my first 2.4 GHz system (Futaba 10C) and wanted to get
> suggestions for receiver installation. Are there any do's or don't's when it
> comes to position, antenna orientation, etc? The first airplane I will be
> using this is will be an all-wood airplane (a one-of-a-kind Bryan Hebert
> design... OK, to be honest there are 2 of them, but this is the only one
> that ever flew). I've read bits and pieces here and there about the 2.4
> systems not liking carbon fiber (or maybe I was taking the comments wrong?)
> or potential interference resulting from the interaction between the two.
> Anyway, any input will be helpful, and I'm not in love with the 2.4
> revolution yet so any negative comments will not be met with resistance.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
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From Autoford6 at aol.com  Tue Dec 30 07:24:15 2008
From: Autoford6 at aol.com (Autoford6 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:24:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 3m mintor bearing
Message-ID: <cee.4cb624e4.368ba527@aol.com>

hi happy holidays to all  I have a question maybe someone can  help  I need a 
rear bearing for a 170 3m mintor engine does anyone know the  bearing # I can 
order from Boca bearings 
                                                       thank you
                                                       Walter Erickson
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From mdarr00 at comcast.net  Tue Dec 30 08:25:14 2008
From: mdarr00 at comcast.net (Mike Darr)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:25:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 3m mintor bearing
References: <cee.4cb624e4.368ba527@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c96aa3$91d70090$6501a8c0@home2od10usefm>

Boca does not make a bearing for this engine.  I did a lot of research with Mike from Boca and we came up empty handed.  I believe you can still get them from Lance or Aeroslave.  I personally have been running the O.S. 1.40 EFI bearing in mine and it actually last longer than the 3M bearing.  The only problem with running the O.S. bearing is that you need to have a spacer machined to take up the bearing thickness difference.  The spacer needs to be installed between the engine crankcase and the crank.

Mike Darr
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Autoford6 at aol.com 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 3m mintor bearing


  hi happy holidays to all  I have a question maybe someone can help  I need a rear bearing for a 170 3m mintor engine does anyone know the bearing # I can order from Boca bearings 
                                                        thank you
                                                        Walter Erickson


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From Autoford6 at aol.com  Tue Dec 30 08:53:22 2008
From: Autoford6 at aol.com (Autoford6 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:53:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 3m mintor bearing
Message-ID: <bb8.43c235c8.368bba02@aol.com>

thank you ill try that if I cant get 1 from lance I tryed emailing him but  
did not get a reply yet 
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From DaddyB3089 at aol.com  Tue Dec 30 11:12:27 2008
From: DaddyB3089 at aol.com (DaddyB3089 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:12:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 3m mintor bearing
Message-ID: <cfa.4c2eb4fb.368bdaa3@aol.com>

Sorry but this bearing is made just for this engine. I did a lot of  research 
trying to find one and the only place to get if is from Lance. Hope he  
answers your e-mail soon. Probably just away for the Holiday. The double row  
bearing is the problem. Having a spacer made sounds like a good idea so that you  
could use the OS bearing. I got mine from Lance, I run FAI fuel thru it  after 
the last run of the day and got all of last season on it.
 
Bill Mitchell 
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 30 11:59:49 2008
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:59:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric Pattern Airplanes for Sale
Message-ID: <BAY128-W11D6068AE848D42B565556A0E70@phx.gbl>


1. Temptation--converted from glow, R-W-B, HackerC50XL14, Hacker Acro controller, JR-rudder and Futaba digitals. (9)
2. Impact--painted-in-mold, W-O-R-P-Y, Hacker C50XL14, Hacker Acro Controller, all Futaba digitals.  Very little time. (7.5-story)
3. Brio, AXI 5330 F3A, CC HV85, W-B-R, JR digitals (8)
4.  OMS (pencil fuse) R-B-W, Hacker 60S20 (I think) CC HV85, JR servos.(8.5)
 
I was planning on taking these to KCRC's S & S on the 17th--but I thought I would throw them out there to you guys in case someone needed something NOW.  With or without equipment.  
 
I'm selling because I bought (well, OVER-bought) some other stuff and at least a couple have to go...
 
Email me off list for more info. cell is 816-225-3801
 
Richard
 
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Tue Dec 30 23:34:52 2008
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (jshulman at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:34:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need help with some questions...
Message-ID: <20081231083318.EF0D9.438185.root@cdptpa-web21-z01>

Hi All,

I'm not in front of my computer at the moment, but have a few questions I need answers to if you can help:

-Length from thrust washer to end of Hatori short pipe for YS-14/6/70 and YS-110? 
-To stinger?
-Diameter of Hatori?
-Is it 6 3/8" or 6 5/8" from thrust washer to back of Hyde/Budd mounts?
-Width of Hatori mounting points (widest)?
-'Thrust washer' to X-mount distance on your favorite big outrunner (Axi, DualSky, Hacker...)?
-What diameter pipe is used on a 140+ 2-stroke and what is the distance from thrust washer to end of pipe?

How many of you would mind a paint/covering joint on a wood plane with a composite nose glued on?

Thank you for the help. Might not be the last time I have a few questions for you...lol? 

Happy New Year,
Jason

From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Wed Dec 31 04:34:29 2008
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:34:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 3m mintor bearing
In-Reply-To: <cfa.4c2eb4fb.368bdaa3@aol.com>
References: <cfa.4c2eb4fb.368bdaa3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2DC5CCA14756424BBBEE8B4B2E4A682F06C67116@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>

The bearing is not made just for this engine, but it might as well be. I
actually contacted the company that makes them last year trying to track
it down in, before finally getting it from Lance. The message below was
from Claudio at 3M:

 

Dear Tim, 

the rear bearing for the 170 is produced by INA under the code number
3904 2Z. I suspect that other producers, like NSK, or SKF, should have
this bearing in their catalogue under the same code number, since the
codes are unified. In any case the dimensions can be verified as
follows: ID 20mm, OD 37mm, width 13mm. It is a shielded (polyamid
shields) double bearing with angular thrust. 

Sincerely, 

Claudio

 

And the reply from Shaefller, which is the dealer for INA here in
Canada:

 

Tim, the bearing we believe you are looking for is a 3904. Currently no
North American stock. Delivery from production is Dec 2007.

We do show stock in other Schaeffler warehouses around the world but
that would involve an air shipment, brokerage etc. Might not be worth it
to you for a couple of pieces. Let me know if you would like us to
proceed.

 

Regards

 

Rob Parkhill

 

 

All I can say is.....buy it from Lance, or make the spacer for the 1.40
bearing. Or...you can buy mine if you take the engine too - new
bearings, and a front/rear spare, including a Karl Mueller header for
$250.

 

Tim

 

 

________________________________

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
DaddyB3089 at aol.com
Sent: December 30, 2008 3:12 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 3m mintor bearing

 

Sorry but this bearing is made just for this engine. I did a lot of
research trying to find one and the only place to get if is from Lance.
Hope he answers your e-mail soon. Probably just away for the Holiday.
The double row bearing is the problem. Having a spacer made sounds like
a good idea so that you could use the OS bearing. I got mine from Lance,
I run FAI fuel thru it after the last run of the day and got all of last
season on it.

 

Bill Mitchell 





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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Wed Dec 31 04:49:56 2008
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:49:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need help with some questions...
In-Reply-To: <20081231083318.EF0D9.438185.root@cdptpa-web21-z01>
Message-ID: <621020.30633.qm@web80501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jason,
?I can only answer one question at the moment:
?
It is 6 3/8"? from the thrust washer to the?back of Hyde/Budd
mounts.
?
John Pavlick


--- On Wed, 12/31/08, jshulman at cfl.rr.com <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need help with some questions...
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 8:33 AM

Hi All,

I'm not in front of my computer at the moment, but have a few questions I
need answers to if you can help:

-Length from thrust washer to end of Hatori short pipe for YS-14/6/70 and
YS-110? 
-To stinger?
-Diameter of Hatori?
-Is it 6 3/8" or 6 5/8" from thrust washer to back of Hyde/Budd
mounts?
-Width of Hatori mounting points (widest)?
-'Thrust washer' to X-mount distance on your favorite big outrunner
(Axi, DualSky, Hacker...)?
-What diameter pipe is used on a 140+ 2-stroke and what is the distance from
thrust washer to end of pipe?

How many of you would mind a paint/covering joint on a wood plane with a
composite nose glued on?

Thank you for the help. Might not be the last time I have a few questions for
you...lol? 

Happy New Year,
Jason
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From jlkonn at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 31 14:08:57 2008
From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:08:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I don't know how this stuff sneaks up on me
	but...
Message-ID: <BLU106-W3564F0AFCDC99D31ADC484CDE40@phx.gbl>


it does.
I almost let my AMA membership lapse for my daughters and me.
The good thing is it's pretty painless to renew online and I just printed a
"temporary receipt"  that serves as official proof of membership until our cards
arrive.
Whew!
Man, I wish I had signed up for life membership back in '81 when I first joined.
Oh well...
Happy New Year everyone!
JLK
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From simestd at netexpress.com  Wed Dec 31 14:17:12 2008
From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:17:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Minor list SNAFU - delayed delivery,
	should be fixed
Message-ID: <20081231141454.445adecb.simestd@netexpress.com>


Last night I upgraded the OS on the list server to the the next point
rev. and got bitten by a change in a default parameter that I didn't
catch.  This caused list messages to be delayed for folks behind more
aggressive anti-SPAM measures (including myself).

My apologies for the delayed messages, I flushed the queue just a
minute ago and things are flowing properly now.

Tom
 
======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com 
======================================================================

From vanputte at cox.net  Wed Dec 31 14:21:30 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:21:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Minor list SNAFU - delayed delivery,
	should be fixed
In-Reply-To: <20081231141454.445adecb.simestd@netexpress.com>
References: <20081231141454.445adecb.simestd@netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <8D4B9304-5D33-454D-83F0-CB058AD5FF3E@cox.net>

Thanks for everything you do Tom.  Minor glitches just remind us that  
we need to thank you for when everything (usually) runs well.

Ron VP

On Dec 31, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Tom Simes wrote:

>
> Last night I upgraded the OS on the list server to the the next point
> rev. and got bitten by a change in a default parameter that I didn't
> catch.  This caused list messages to be delayed for folks behind more
> aggressive anti-SPAM measures (including myself).
>
> My apologies for the delayed messages, I flushed the queue just a
> minute ago and things are flowing properly now.
>
> Tom
>
> ======================================================================
>    "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
>          sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B
>
> Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com
> ======================================================================
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion


From simestd at netexpress.com  Wed Dec 31 14:31:55 2008
From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:31:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Minor list SNAFU - delayed delivery,
 should be fixed
In-Reply-To: <8D4B9304-5D33-454D-83F0-CB058AD5FF3E@cox.net>
References: <20081231141454.445adecb.simestd@netexpress.com>
	<8D4B9304-5D33-454D-83F0-CB058AD5FF3E@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20081231142941.12eb3361.simestd@netexpress.com>

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:20:28 -0600
Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

> Thanks for everything you do Tom.  Minor glitches just remind us
> that we need to thank you for when everything (usually) runs well.

Thanks Ron,

When I think about all the knowledge, fellowship and fun I
derive from this group, the truism about getting back at least what you
put in really becomes apparent.

Thanks to EVERYONE who contributes to keep the NSRCA the fun and
vibrant group it is.  BTW, Happy New Year - I personally haven't
dropped a point on any maneuvers yet, how about you?

Tom
 
======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com 
======================================================================

From vanputte at cox.net  Wed Dec 31 16:04:42 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:04:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Minor list SNAFU - delayed delivery,
	should be fixed
In-Reply-To: <20081231142941.12eb3361.simestd@netexpress.com>
References: <20081231141454.445adecb.simestd@netexpress.com>
	<8D4B9304-5D33-454D-83F0-CB058AD5FF3E@cox.net>
	<20081231142941.12eb3361.simestd@netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <E7B577B8-435C-4C79-93CC-FEA688D658F2@cox.net>

My maneuver schedule has all tens.  That might change at Ocala, FL in  
March.

Ron VP

On Dec 31, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Tom Simes wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:20:28 -0600
> Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for everything you do Tom.  Minor glitches just remind us
>> that we need to thank you for when everything (usually) runs well.
>
> Thanks Ron,
>
> When I think about all the knowledge, fellowship and fun I
> derive from this group, the truism about getting back at least what  
> you
> put in really becomes apparent.
>
> Thanks to EVERYONE who contributes to keep the NSRCA the fun and
> vibrant group it is.  BTW, Happy New Year - I personally haven't
> dropped a point on any maneuvers yet, how about you?
>
> Tom
>
> ======================================================================
>    "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
>          sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B
>
> Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com
> ======================================================================
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion


From KTHOMPSON56 at satx.rr.com  Wed Dec 31 16:24:11 2008
From: KTHOMPSON56 at satx.rr.com (Ken Thompson)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:24:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Minor list SNAFU - delayed delivery,
	should be fixed
References: <20081231141454.445adecb.simestd@netexpress.com><8D4B9304-5D33-454D-83F0-CB058AD5FF3E@cox.net><20081231142941.12eb3361.simestd@netexpress.com>
	<E7B577B8-435C-4C79-93CC-FEA688D658F2@cox.net>
Message-ID: <004901c96bb0$49975380$0200a8c0@kencopepere>

Ditto in the thanks from me Tom, you do a job that most of couldn't dream 
of.

As for my schedule, I just flew mostly 10's and a couple of 8's, with one 
0...how in the heck could I have 0'd a snap with a stick plane?

Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Minor list SNAFU - delayed delivery,should 
be fixed


> My maneuver schedule has all tens.  That might change at Ocala, FL in 
> March.
>
> Ron VP
>
> On Dec 31, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Tom Simes wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:20:28 -0600
>> Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for everything you do Tom.  Minor glitches just remind us
>>> that we need to thank you for when everything (usually) runs well.
>>
>> Thanks Ron,
>>
>> When I think about all the knowledge, fellowship and fun I
>> derive from this group, the truism about getting back at least what  you
>> put in really becomes apparent.
>>
>> Thanks to EVERYONE who contributes to keep the NSRCA the fun and
>> vibrant group it is.  BTW, Happy New Year - I personally haven't
>> dropped a point on any maneuvers yet, how about you?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> ======================================================================
>>    "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
>>          sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B
>>
>> Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com
>> ======================================================================
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion 


From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 31 16:56:38 2008
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:56:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
Message-ID: <BAY139-DAV137A36EC2DC11A763E18CCE8E50@phx.gbl>

Is there a chemical that can be purchased that will remove the baked on crud on glow engines and aluminum exhaust headers?  I used something once that was available in a hobby shop and it worked, but it was expensive stuff.  

Thanks
Ed
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From AtwoodDon at aol.com  Wed Dec 31 17:05:11 2008
From: AtwoodDon at aol.com (AtwoodDon at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:05:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
Message-ID: <c07.50f6cf85.368d7ed4@aol.com>

you might check on some chemical oven cleaners.  Be careful tho, some  are 
harmful to aluminum.
 
Don
 
 
In a message dated 12/31/2008 5:55:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
ed_alt at hotmail.com writes:

Is there a chemical that can be purchased that  will remove the baked on crud 
on glow engines and aluminum exhaust  headers?  I used something once that 
was available in a hobby shop and it  worked, but it was expensive stuff.  
 
Thanks
Ed


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From bob.lavey at cox.net  Wed Dec 31 17:07:36 2008
From: bob.lavey at cox.net (Bob Lavey)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:07:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-DAV137A36EC2DC11A763E18CCE8E50@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY139-DAV137A36EC2DC11A763E18CCE8E50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <713C03A343484EB18F279177213C5228@LAVEYFAMILYXP>

Ed, I've used a garage-sale crock pot filled with anti-freeze to remove
baked on crud like that.  Run it on low and soak the parts overnight, and
the crud will be gone.
 
Bob


  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:55 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers


Is there a chemical that can be purchased that will remove the baked on crud
on glow engines and aluminum exhaust headers?  I used something once that
was available in a hobby shop and it worked, but it was expensive stuff.  
 
Thanks
Ed

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From schale at optonline.net  Wed Dec 31 17:08:39 2008
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:08:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-DAV137A36EC2DC11A763E18CCE8E50@phx.gbl>
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From moleski at canisius.edu  Wed Dec 31 17:12:36 2008
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:12:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-DAV137A36EC2DC11A763E18CCE8E50@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY139-DAV137A36EC2DC11A763E18CCE8E50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <495C261C.1000905@canisius.edu>

Ed Alt wrote:

> Is there a chemical that can be purchased that will remove the baked on
> crud on glow engines and aluminum exhaust headers? I used something once
> that was available in a hobby shop and it worked, but it was expensive
> stuff.

Demon Clean was the expensive stuff.

Dunno if it's still sold under that name.

The classic alternative is to cook the engine
at low heat in a crock pot that you plan to use
ONLY for cleaning engines.  Use old-formula
antifreeze (which is poisonous to living things--don't
let children or pets get at it).

This page says it only works for castor gunk:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3765771/anchors_3769390/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#3769390

So if your gunk is not castor-based, the crock pot
may not solve your problem.

				Marty

From trexlesh at msn.com  Wed Dec 31 17:23:20 2008
From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:23:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
In-Reply-To: <495C261C.1000905@canisius.edu>
References: <BAY139-DAV137A36EC2DC11A763E18CCE8E50@phx.gbl>
	<495C261C.1000905@canisius.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY119-W23764E9EE2B98E7A056EF1CCE50@phx.gbl>


Sears used to sell a bbq cleaner called SOKOFF...  I think that's how
it was spelled.  
 
Rex> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:10:36 -0500> From: moleski at canisius.edu> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers> > Ed Alt wrote:> > > Is there a chemical that can be purchased that will remove the baked on> > crud on glow engines and aluminum exhaust headers? I used something once> > that was available in a hobby shop and it worked, but it was expensive> > stuff.> > Demon Clean was the expensive stuff.> > Dunno if it's still sold under that name.> > The classic alternative is to cook the engine> at low heat in a crock pot that you plan to use> ONLY for cleaning engines. Use old-formula> antifreeze (which is poisonous to living things--don't> let children or pets get at it).> > This page says it only works for castor gunk:> > http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3765771/anchors_3769390/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#3769390> > So if your gunk is not castor-based, the crock pot> may not solve your problem.> > Marty> _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From bob at toprudder.com  Wed Dec 31 17:47:21 2008
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:47:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
In-Reply-To: <713C03A343484EB18F279177213C5228@LAVEYFAMILYXP>
Message-ID: <255074.38785.qm@web1111.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

I have not tried that yet, but I have heard it really works. 
?
I have used paint stripper I bought at an auto parts store, comes in a spray can. Mar-Hyde brand, Tal-Strip paint remover. It has the same active ingredient that was in the old Zbest engine cleaner that was sold at hobby shops, methylene chloride. 
?
Bob R.


--- On Thu, 1/1/09, Bob Lavey <bob.lavey at cox.net> wrote:

From: Bob Lavey <bob.lavey at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:05 AM





Ed, I've used a garage-sale crock pot filled with anti-freeze to remove baked on crud like that.? Run it on low and soak?the parts?overnight, and the crud will be gone.
?
Bob




From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:55 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers



Is there a chemical that can be purchased that will remove the baked on crud on glow engines and aluminum exhaust headers?? I used something once that was available in a hobby shop and it worked, but it was expensive stuff.? 
?
Thanks
Ed
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From vanputte at cox.net  Wed Dec 31 18:07:55 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:07:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
In-Reply-To: <255074.38785.qm@web1111.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
References: <255074.38785.qm@web1111.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5C64FD45-FF4E-4F00-A3BE-A1E63335D13C@cox.net>

I like the paint remover that is available at auto parts stores.  It  
is called Aircraft Remover.
It's formulated to be compatible with aluminum airplane skins, so it  
doesn't hurt aluminum engine parts.

Ron Van Putte

On Dec 31, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Bob Richards wrote:

> I have not tried that yet, but I have heard it really works.
>
> I have used paint stripper I bought at an auto parts store, comes  
> in a spray can. Mar-Hyde brand, Tal-Strip paint remover. It has the  
> same active ingredient that was in the old Zbest engine cleaner  
> that was sold at hobby shops, methylene chloride.
>
> Bob R.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Bob Lavey <bob.lavey at cox.net> wrote:
> From: Bob Lavey <bob.lavey at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:05 AM
>
> Ed, I've used a garage-sale crock pot filled with anti-freeze to  
> remove baked on crud like that.  Run it on low and soak the parts  
> overnight, and the crud will be gone.
>
> Bob
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:55 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
>
> Is there a chemical that can be purchased that will remove the  
> baked on crud on glow engines and aluminum exhaust headers?  I used  
> something once that was available in a hobby shop and it worked,  
> but it was expensive stuff.
>
> Thanks
> Ed
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From lightfoot at sc.rr.com  Wed Dec 31 18:30:19 2008
From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:30:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
In-Reply-To: <5C64FD45-FF4E-4F00-A3BE-A1E63335D13C@cox.net>
Message-ID: <067EE1FED19F45B79CF42E3FCD6A5678@jaysdesktop>

You guys are all doing it the hard way. Dawn makes a product for cleaning
pots, available at your local grocery store or Ace hardware, that works
great - no heat required.

Jay Marshall

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:08 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers

I like the paint remover that is available at auto parts stores.  It  
is called Aircraft Remover.
It's formulated to be compatible with aluminum airplane skins, so it  
doesn't hurt aluminum engine parts.

Ron Van Putte

On Dec 31, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Bob Richards wrote:

> I have not tried that yet, but I have heard it really works.
>
> I have used paint stripper I bought at an auto parts store, comes  
> in a spray can. Mar-Hyde brand, Tal-Strip paint remover. It has the  
> same active ingredient that was in the old Zbest engine cleaner  
> that was sold at hobby shops, methylene chloride.
>
> Bob R.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Bob Lavey <bob.lavey at cox.net> wrote:
> From: Bob Lavey <bob.lavey at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:05 AM
>
> Ed, I've used a garage-sale crock pot filled with anti-freeze to  
> remove baked on crud like that.  Run it on low and soak the parts  
> overnight, and the crud will be gone.
>
> Bob
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:55 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
>
> Is there a chemical that can be purchased that will remove the  
> baked on crud on glow engines and aluminum exhaust headers?  I used  
> something once that was available in a hobby shop and it worked,  
> but it was expensive stuff.
>
> Thanks
> Ed
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From vanputte at cox.net  Wed Dec 31 18:45:43 2008
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:45:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
In-Reply-To: <067EE1FED19F45B79CF42E3FCD6A5678@jaysdesktop>
References: <067EE1FED19F45B79CF42E3FCD6A5678@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <81E10774-B737-484A-AA04-178C4A8CFC9B@cox.net>

The paint strippers/removers don't require heat either.  Just smear  
it on, wait a while and rub it off.

Ron VP.

On Dec 31, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Jay Marshall wrote:

> You guys are all doing it the hard way. Dawn makes a product for  
> cleaning
> pots, available at your local grocery store or Ace hardware, that  
> works
> great - no heat required.
>
> Jay Marshall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron  
> Van Putte
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:08 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
>
> I like the paint remover that is available at auto parts stores.  It
> is called Aircraft Remover.
> It's formulated to be compatible with aluminum airplane skins, so it
> doesn't hurt aluminum engine parts.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Dec 31, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>
>> I have not tried that yet, but I have heard it really works.
>>
>> I have used paint stripper I bought at an auto parts store, comes
>> in a spray can. Mar-Hyde brand, Tal-Strip paint remover. It has the
>> same active ingredient that was in the old Zbest engine cleaner
>> that was sold at hobby shops, methylene chloride.
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Bob Lavey <bob.lavey at cox.net> wrote:
>> From: Bob Lavey <bob.lavey at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:05 AM
>>
>> Ed, I've used a garage-sale crock pot filled with anti-freeze to
>> remove baked on crud like that.  Run it on low and soak the parts
>> overnight, and the crud will be gone.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:55 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
>>
>> Is there a chemical that can be purchased that will remove the
>> baked on crud on glow engines and aluminum exhaust headers?  I used
>> something once that was available in a hobby shop and it worked,
>> but it was expensive stuff.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Ed
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date:
>> 12/31/2008 8:44 AM
>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion
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From Autoford6 at aol.com  Wed Dec 31 19:24:47 2008
From: Autoford6 at aol.com (Autoford6 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 04:24:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 3m mintor bearing
Message-ID: <c52.42976660.368d9f70@aol.com>

thanks all for the information I got 1 from matt K
                             HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL
                                    Walter
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From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 31 20:21:18 2008
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 05:21:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
References: <255074.38785.qm@web1111.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
	<5C64FD45-FF4E-4F00-A3BE-A1E63335D13C@cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY139-DAV7963BBA89F720A4F8189CE8E50@phx.gbl>

Thanks everyone, I've got plenty of options to go with .

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers


>I like the paint remover that is available at auto parts stores.  It  
> is called Aircraft Remover.
> It's formulated to be compatible with aluminum airplane skins, so it  
> doesn't hurt aluminum engine parts.
> 
> Ron Van Putte
> 
> On Dec 31, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
> 
>> I have not tried that yet, but I have heard it really works.
>>
>> I have used paint stripper I bought at an auto parts store, comes  
>> in a spray can. Mar-Hyde brand, Tal-Strip paint remover. It has the  
>> same active ingredient that was in the old Zbest engine cleaner  
>> that was sold at hobby shops, methylene chloride.
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Bob Lavey <bob.lavey at cox.net> wrote:
>> From: Bob Lavey <bob.lavey at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:05 AM
>>
>> Ed, I've used a garage-sale crock pot filled with anti-freeze to  
>> remove baked on crud like that.  Run it on low and soak the parts  
>> overnight, and the crud will be gone.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:55 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
>>
>> Is there a chemical that can be purchased that will remove the  
>> baked on crud on glow engines and aluminum exhaust headers?  I used  
>> something once that was available in a hobby shop and it worked,  
>> but it was expensive stuff.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Ed
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date:  
>> 12/31/2008 8:44 AM
>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion  
>> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Wed Dec 31 20:58:31 2008
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 05:58:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers
References: <BAY139-DAV137A36EC2DC11A763E18CCE8E50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006a01c96bd5$dc3c1160$9501a8c0@GW7422>

I've used "gasket remover" from the automotive parts store. They sell it in aerosol cans. Check the label - some brands are not safe for aluminum but most are since many new cars have aluminum heads. Spray it on, let it sit for a wile then brush with an old toothbrush and rinse it off. Repeat if necessary. 

John Pavlick
http://www.idseng.com

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ed Alt 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 8:54 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing crud from exhaust headers


  Is there a chemical that can be purchased that will remove the baked on crud on glow engines and aluminum exhaust headers?  I used something once that was available in a hobby shop and it worked, but it was expensive stuff.  

  Thanks
  Ed


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