[NSRCA-discussion] Heat Sinks

Mon Aug 4 09:09:40 AKDT 2008

How many times have we "finished" a project and then remembered at the 
field the last couple things we still needed? It's happened to me. The 
plane isn't finished until it flies which only completes a phase. And 
then it's tweeking time.....so a plane is never finished, I suppose, 
until it is "retired" (voluntarily on involuntarily, take your pick).

As for project management, all I can say is "....best layed plans of 
mice and men.....". Most schedules I've supported were obsolete the day 
they were issued. Egads!!

Hey congratulate me!! I actually flew a whole contest this past 
weekend. First in 4 years for me. All you Masters winnies better watch 
out. With more practice I just might take a round from RVP.

MattK

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:46 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Heat Sinks

Work expands as the time to completion approaches.  I am "finishing"
an airplane to fly tomorrow and it's amazing how many of the "little"
tasks leap out as I seem to get close to done.

Ron VP

On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:03 AM, AtwoodDon at aol.com wrote:

> As in most projects, when you are 99% done, you only have 25% left
> to do.  That is how most projects in my work environment went.  I
> always told the project managers that when they reported their
> project status and I was usually 
right.  If I was wrong, they had
> more than 25% left to go.....
>
> Don
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> In a message dated 8/4/2008 7:30:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> gfowler at raytheon.com writes:
>
> Anthony
>
> My new plane is 99.5% complete-all I have to do is balance and
> align the wings-and then "re-learn" to fly. My kid just completed
> the massive soccer "qualifying" tournament-6 games, two weekends,
> nothing below 103F, so I am conditioned to start flying again.
>
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>
> Gray Fowler
> Senior Principal Chemical Engineer
> Radomes and Specialty Apertures
> Technical Staff Composites Engineering
> Raytheon
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> Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
> Sent by: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> 08/04/2008 09:17 AM
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> Hi Gray,
> Glad to see you still lurking.
> First, saw that technique to cool the batteries on the moon rover.
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> Anthony
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> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> From: gfowler at raytheon.com
> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:51:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Heat Sinks
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> Guys
>
> Considering that I do not fly E, this may not work, but here is a
> trick from the missile world where the electronics generate massive
=0
A> heat in a small package (no air cooling at mach 3!!)  that must be
> dissapated.
>
> Heat sinks work well but rely on intimate contact with the heat
> source, which can be the actual problem-how to get the battery heat
> into the sink with the odd shape of the battery packs and the
> flatness of the aluminum. Since you guys know the operating
> temperature of the dischaging batteries, choose a wax that melts
> just below your target temperature. Cast the wax around the battery
> pack (you need a container or tub-super thin aluminum). Then have
> the cooling fins-heat sink on top. When the batteries heat up the
> wax will melt. This phase change will cool the batteries-then the
> viscous liquid wax will also efficiently transfer the heat to the
> aluminum tub and the aluminum heat sink. The heat sink will cool
> the wax which then cool the batteries.
>
> After recharging, the batteries cool, the wax resolidifies and it
> is ready to go all over again. Wax is light weight, the aluminum
> tub-heatsink  would need to be custom fabbed and very thin-and
> basically sealed.  Wax can be easily cleaned from the batteries if
> needed.
>
> Just a thought
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> Gray Fowler
> Senior Principal Chemical Engineer
> Radomes and Specialty Apertures
> Technical Staff Composites Engineering
> Raytheon
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> "Earl Haury" <ejhaury at comcast.net>
> Sent by: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 08/01/2008 04:15 PM

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> Bob
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> My thought is that packs setting on something thermally conductive
> rather than insulating seems better. Love your CO2 cartridge idea -
> wonder if AMA would consider that a "gaseous boost".
>
> Earl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Richards
> To: General pattern discussion
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Heat Sinks
> I've been thinking about this, and I think the best way would be
> sandwich thin pieces of aluminum between the cells and extend past
> the edge of the pack. But I'm not sure I like the idea of placing
> anything electrically conductive between the cells. Best to provide
> an air space between the cells and duct the cooling air between them.
>
> Of course, if you really want some wow-factor in the setup, you
> would have a thermostatically controlled cowl flap that only opens
> up once the pack starts to go beyond the optimum temperature. Maybe
> even an emergency cooling system - a small CO2 cartridge from an
> air rifle might do. ;-)
>
> Bob R
>
> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:
> The idea of a real heat sink, maybe with the fins as p
art of the
> skin of the plane and in the airstream, and the LiPo cell edges
> bonded to the sink with thermal compound, has some merit and may
> require some investigation – if cooling is what we really want.
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