[NSRCA-discussion] Judges' Positioning, Zero Lines, and Box Definition

[vicenterc at comcast.net]

Don,

It will be nice to discuss the downgrades for box violations.  In order to get a zero the whole maneuver including entry and exiting lines should be out of the box.  For partial violation it is 2 point deduction for each quarter out of the box.  Is this correct?

Thanks,

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Vicente "Vince" Bortone

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From: "Don Ramsey" <don.ramsey at suddenlink.net> 

Matt,

Just as a clarification, the judges in both AMA and FAI should be within the extension of the 60 degree line, not on it.  At the contest you are referring to, when I initially sat down to judge I picked one of the cranes as my distance reference on the right box line.  I went to the chair and the crane had moved.  It was working that day.  I did pick another point and my points on both box ends were at least 1/2 mile from the flight line.  I also saw several other judges calibrate themselves and one mentioned he was using the same points I was.

We cover this in all the seminars I do.  I hope everyone else does also.  

Don

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From: Matthew Frederick 
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Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judges' Positioning, Zero Lines,and Box Definition


I would like to thank you all, especially Don, for your insight and clarification of the regulations and guidelines regarding the positioning of judges and what they should do to take these kinds of things into account. I have no doubt that in the case where I was downgraded that the judges were simply using the pole realative to their position to judge the size of the box I was to be flying in, that's the whole reason I brought this up. I felt, from what I've experienced, that this is something that needed to be addressed. I would also like to highlight what Don pointed out in his reply: AMA regulations state that the judges should be positioned on extensions of the 60-degree lines. If one of my judges had been sitting on the line I looked down, at least only one would have downgraded me. It's also important to note the point of judges "orienting" themselves to the box before beginning a round of judging. If a point is chosen 150 meters out that the judge can reference on the 60 d
egree line it will make it much easier to judge the end of the box. I don't think I've seen one judge do this at any contest I've been to in the past 2 years. Believe me, I'm not suggesting that all the local contests move their poles out to 150 meters... just trying to bring an issue to light that affects us all but rarely makes it into our regular conversations. Plus a little controversy every now and then is fun...

Matt



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