[NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Fri May 4 10:45:56 AKDT 2007

I have wondered when this would come up!

The Muncie Site is a dream come true until you look at the related costs. We all face the same problems at our home fields. It starts with the cost of capital just to posses the site.

Paving (and maintaining) the interior roads, wiring the remote sites (some of us still use generators at home fields) and mowing all that grass! The grass is a real liability. The more soy beans around our home fields, the better. It makes money instead of eating it! The camp ground is really neat with its showers and flush toilets. If I am not paying enough, I will pay more... 

The costs of the facility are pretty constant, regardless of the days used so reducing usage just makes for more expensive days.

The manpower costs of the AMA seem to be a little out of line to me. I handle the table reservations for a one-day swap meet for our club once a year in January. There are 160 tables ( comparable to 120 flyers). I am set up for 160 tables,  when they are gone we are booked! I can take new clients on the day of the event with no trouble until I am booked.  It just is not that hard. Book resources, not clients.

What the matter comes down to is that we have sunk costs into the Muncie Site and now we need to focus on generating as much revenue as practical to help defray the operating costs.

Please do not plant any of this 12 foot tall corn we have in North Carolina though...

BTW, the small amount the volunteers get is not enough to meet out of pocket expenses. 

John Ferrell    W8CCW
"Life is easier if you learn to plow 
       around the stumps"
http://DixieNC.US

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tony Stillman 
  To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' 
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

  Ok.. .you asked for a need. here it is..

  The Executive Council is always pressed by sport fliers as to why funds should be spent on less than 1% of the membership to allow for a site for a Nats, as well as the staff support and equipment support required to run these events.  The Nats takes up 6 weeks of prime flying time for Muncie.  Other groups would like to use that time for events as well.  The Nats operates in the red every year.  

  So, if we reduced the number of days required to have a Nats, that would reduce costs as well.  How do we reduce the number of days required to run the pattern Nats?  Do we just increase the entry fee to take care of all of the costs so the sport fliers can then be told that the competition pilots "pay their own way"?  Do we (the EC) just ignore them and hope they go away?

  I am a BIG fan of competition and the Nats.  However, I can tell all of you that many on the EC don't give a rat's behind about competition or the Nats.  I am trying to represent competition and how important it has been in the past and will be in the future.  

  So, how does NSRCA handle it if we get cut to a 2-day even for the Pattern Nats?

  Tony Stillman, President

  Radio South

  3702 N. Pace Blvd

  Pensacola, FL 32505

  1-800-962-7802

  www.radiosouthrc.com

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  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hester
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:37 PM
  To: NSRCA Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

  ok, then one more:

  if it ain't broke, why fix it? Is there some underlying problem that we aren't aware of? I'm just not seeing the need I guess. if it were a vote, I'd definitely vote NOT to have to qualify for the Nats. 

  -Mike

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Tony Stillman 

    To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' 

    Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:07 PM

    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

    John:
    I realize that this is a different approach and that there are lots of opinions.  That is all I am asking for.

    Tony Stillman, President

    Radio South

    3702 N. Pace Blvd

    Pensacola, FL 32505

    1-800-962-7802

    www.radiosouthrc.com

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    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Ferrell
    Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:32 AM
    To: NSRCA Mailing List
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

    Flame suit on, cannons loaded and ready...

    If you really want a good answer, ask the guys who are competing at Muncie this year.

    If you want to justify a position already decided, survey the population that will give you the answer you want!

    No offense intended.

    Why would you want to curtail the most successful segment of the Nats? Without the Nats, there is little point in maintaining Muncie. 

    (BTW, considering the source, I think you are shopping for ammunition rather than an argument!)

    John Ferrell    W8CCW
    "Life is easier if you learn to plow 
           around the stumps"
    http://DixieNC.US

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Tony Stillman 

      To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' 

      Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:40 AM

      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

      Buddy:
      As I said at the beginning of this discussion thread, I am involved with a total NATS review.  We are talking about all of the NATS, nothing is too sacred to be up for discussion.

      One question I always had is why it the NATS an open event?  Most all sports NATIONAL championships require you to qualify.  With so many people complaining that the AMA NATS is 6-weeks long, this was brought up as a way to shorten the event.  It also would elevate the status of the NATS.  I don't see how this would reduce participation at the local level.  It may actually increase it!

      Keep in mind that this is just DISCUSSION!!!  Don't get all bent out of shape because we are talking about it.

      Tony Stillman, President

      Radio South

      3702 N. Pace Blvd

      Pensacola, FL 32505

      1-800-962-7802

      www.radiosouthrc.com

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      From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of BUDDYonRC at aol.com
      Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:56 PM
      To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

      I have a question

      Why all of a sudden are you talking about special requirements needed for 

      Nat's entry.

      My take on this, is if this is done we will reduce participation. I may be wrong but if I am not how is this going to help pattern and the NSRCA?

      I think it will be the first step toward a further reduction in membership and a step toward an all professional Nat's 

      Second question

      Tony are you pushing this idea for real?  

      Buddy 

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