[NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Tue May 1 10:09:23 AKDT 2007

I'm a little surprised that noone has picked up on the donations made in substantially large numbers every month and posted in MA magazine. Just taking the minimum recorded values, for the month of March ( which just happens to be one of the smallest I remember seeing), the total is something greater than $4580.00. I have noted that some months the total has exceeded multiples of that amount. 
These donations became noteworthy with the acquisition of and completion of the Muncie site. I have to wonder what the Corporate establishment did before this free influx of capital became available. It would seem that we somehow were previously able to operate in a financially sound manner despite the lack of such gratuitous benefactors. It would be nice to be made specifically aware of where all this green is disappearing to. 
IMO it would also appear that the AMA has metamorphosed from a service organization into a profit based entity in which the latter has assumed priority.
G.

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  From: DaveL322 at comcast.net 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

  $25K in the red....AMA has 170,000 members....each member is spending $0.14 for the NATs deficit.

  Hmmmmm......if AMA gets the least bit of advertising from the NATs....it seems the $0.14 per member would be well worth it and cheap.

  Regards,

  Dave

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    From: "Tony Stillman" <tony at radiosouthrc.com> 

    Actually requiring a minimum number of contestants in order to hold an official event is one of the changes proposed.  Several events have 3-5 contestants.  We are thinking of around 10 as a minimum.  Putting pressure on the SIGS to increase participation is the direction I think we are headed.  NSRCA is one of the very best SIGS out there.  Unfortunately, most are not up the NSRCA's standards.

    In 2006, the Nats was $25,000 in the red.  

    Tony Stillman, President

    Radio South

    3702 N. Pace Blvd

    Pensacola, FL 32505

    1-800-962-7802

    www.radiosouthrc.com

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    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski
    Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:41 PM
    To: NSRCA Mailing List
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

    Well if the Nats are in the red then there is a need to increase the number of attendees and/or increase the entry fee not the number of days. Wasn't this years entry fee increased?<g> Maybe all the SIGS need to encourage more of their people to attend or lose it. There was a time when pattern had over 150 plus attendees. There are some events that only have a handful of people involved. Maybe some of those small events need to be discontinued as part of the Nats.

    Tony, how much is in the red anyway? hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of dollars?

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    From: tony at radiosouthrc.com
    To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
    Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:09:32 -0500
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

    Ok.. .you asked for a need. here it is..

    The Executive Council is always pressed by sport fliers as to why funds should be spent on less than 1% of the membership to allow for a site for a Nats, as well as the staff support and equipment support required to run these events.  The Nats takes up 6 weeks of prime flying time for Muncie.  Other groups would like to use that time for events as well.  The Nats operates in the red every year.  

    So, if we reduced the number of days required to have a Nats, that would reduce costs as well.  How do we reduce the number of days required to run the pattern Nats?  Do we just increase the entry fee to take care of all of the costs so the sport fliers can then be told that the competition pilots "pay their own way"?  Do we (the EC) just ignore them and hope they go away?

    I am a BIG fan of competition and the Nats.  However, I can tell all of you that many on the EC don't give a rat's behind about competition or the Nats.  I am trying to represent competition and how important it has been in the past and will be in the future.  

    So, how does NSRCA handle it if we get cut to a 2-day even for the Pattern Nats?

    Tony Stillman, President

    Radio South

    3702 N. Pace Blvd

    Pensacola, FL 32505

    1-800-962-7802

    www.radiosouthrc.com

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    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hester
    Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:37 PM
    To: NSRCA Mailing List
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

    ok, then one more:

    if it ain't broke, why fix it? Is there some underlying problem that we aren't aware of? I'm just not seeing the need I guess. if it were a vote, I'd definitely vote NOT to have to qualify for the Nats. 

    -Mike

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Tony Stillman 

      To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' 

      Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:07 PM

      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

      John:
      I realize that this is a different approach and that there are lots of opinions.  That is all I am asking for.

      Tony Stillman, President

      Radio South

      3702 N. Pace Blvd

      Pensacola, FL 32505

      1-800-962-7802

      www.radiosouthrc.com

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      From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Ferrell
      Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:32 AM
      To: NSRCA Mailing List
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

      Flame suit on, cannons loaded and ready...

      If you really want a good answer, ask the guys who are competing at Muncie this year.

      If you want to justify a position already decided, survey the population that will give you the answer you want!

      No offense intended.

      Why would you want to curtail the most successful segment of the Nats? Without the Nats, there is little point in maintaining Muncie. 

      (BTW, considering the source, I think you are shopping for ammunition rather than an argument!)

      John Ferrell    W8CCW
      "Life is easier if you learn to plow 
             around the stumps"
      http://DixieNC.US

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: Tony Stillman 

        To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' 

        Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:40 AM

        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

        Buddy:
        As I said at the beginning of this discussion thread, I am involved with a total NATS review.  We are talking about all of the NATS, nothing is too sacred to be up for discussion.

        One question I always had is why it the NATS an open event?  Most all sports NATIONAL championships require you to qualify.  With so many people complaining that the AMA NATS is 6-weeks long, this was brought up as a way to shorten the event.  It also would elevate the status of the NATS.  I don't see how this would reduce participation at the local level.  It may actually increase it!

        Keep in mind that this is just DISCUSSION!!!  Don't get all bent out of shape because we are talking about it.

        Tony Stillman, President

        Radio South

        3702 N. Pace Blvd

        Pensacola, FL 32505

        1-800-962-7802

        www.radiosouthrc.com

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        From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of BUDDYonRC at aol.com
        Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:56 PM
        To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

        I have a question

        Why all of a sudden are you talking about special requirements needed for 

        Nat's entry.

        My take on this, is if this is done we will reduce participation. I may be wrong but if I am not how is this going to help pattern and the NSRCA?

        I think it will be the first step toward a further reduction in membership and a step toward an all professional Nat's 

        Second question

        Tony are you pushing this idea for real?  

        Buddy 

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