[NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Tue May 1 04:50:55 AKDT 2007

Matt:
That has been discussed and may be a very viable solution.  The competition
stamp would be a good start in defraying costs away from the sport pilots.
The FAI stamp funds did not go to AMA.  It was a cost from the FAI that was
required for international events.  

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Fred Huber
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

in essence they already tried... Its called an FAI stamp.

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From: Matthew Frederick <mailto:mjfrederick at cox.net>  

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:06 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

OK, this will probably sound crazy at first, but I think this idea has
merit. In order to help defray the costs of the NATS why not have a $5
"competition fee" tacked on to the AMA dues for anyone who plans
participating in an AMA sanctioned competition? Not for all sanctioned
events, just competitions. The AMA could then put a "competition eligible"
tag on the AMA cards of those allowed to compete. I compare this to a "lab
fee" that universities charge students for taking lab-based classes to
defray the equipment costs. In comparison to the money I spend in a year on
pattern equipment $5 would be nothing. This way the entire competition
community is helping to fund the NATS even though they won't all go, and the
"sport" pilots won't be able to complain about anything that is done at the
NATS. I'm willing to wager 5,000 people would pay the $5 fee to compete at
local contests in order to keep the NATS open to all who want to compete. I
know I would, and I've never even made it to the Nats because I've never
really had a good opportunity to go. Just thinking out loud. I'll probably
think differently in 10 minutes.

Matt

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From: Joe Lachowski <mailto:jlachow at hotmail.com>  

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:50 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

To add to this. We need hard numbers. How many entrants does it take on a
given day or event for the AMA to break even on cost. Just maybe some events
don't pay their fair share as compared to others. 

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From: jlachow at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:40:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Well if the Nats are in the red then there is a need to increase the number
of attendees and/or increase the entry fee not the number of days. Wasn't
this years entry fee increased?<g> Maybe all the SIGS need to encourage more
of their people to attend or lose it. There was a time when pattern had over
150 plus attendees. There are some events that only have a handful of people
involved. Maybe some of those small events need to be discontinued as part
of the Nats.

Tony, how much is in the red anyway? hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands
of dollars?

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From: tony at radiosouthrc.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:09:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Ok.. .you asked for a need. here it is..

The Executive Council is always pressed by sport fliers as to why funds
should be spent on less than 1% of the membership to allow for a site for a
Nats, as well as the staff support and equipment support required to run
these events.  The Nats takes up 6 weeks of prime flying time for Muncie.
Other groups would like to use that time for events as well.  The Nats
operates in the red every year.  

So, if we reduced the number of days required to have a Nats, that would
reduce costs as well.  How do we reduce the number of days required to run
the pattern Nats?  Do we just increase the entry fee to take care of all of
the costs so the sport fliers can then be told that the competition pilots
"pay their own way"?  Do we (the EC) just ignore them and hope they go away?

I am a BIG fan of competition and the Nats.  However, I can tell all of you
that many on the EC don't give a rat's behind about competition or the Nats.
I am trying to represent competition and how important it has been in the
past and will be in the future.  

So, how does NSRCA handle it if we get cut to a 2-day even for the Pattern
Nats?

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hester
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:37 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

ok, then one more:

if it ain't broke, why fix it? Is there some underlying problem that we
aren't aware of? I'm just not seeing the need I guess. if it were a vote,
I'd definitely vote NOT to have to qualify for the Nats. 

-Mike

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From: Tony Stillman <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

John:
I realize that this is a different approach and that there are lots of
opinions.  That is all I am asking for.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Ferrell
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:32 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Flame suit on, cannons loaded and ready...

If you really want a good answer, ask the guys who are competing at Muncie
this year.

If you want to justify a position already decided, survey the population
that will give you the answer you want!

No offense intended.

Why would you want to curtail the most successful segment of the Nats?
Without the Nats, there is little point in maintaining Muncie. 

(BTW, considering the source, I think you are shopping for ammunition rather
than an argument!)

John Ferrell    W8CCW
"Life is easier if you learn to plow 
       around the stumps"
http://DixieNC.US <http://dixienc.us/> 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony Stillman <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:40 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Buddy:
As I said at the beginning of this discussion thread, I am involved with a
total NATS review.  We are talking about all of the NATS, nothing is too
sacred to be up for discussion.

One question I always had is why it the NATS an open event?  Most all sports
NATIONAL championships require you to qualify.  With so many people
complaining that the AMA NATS is 6-weeks long, this was brought up as a way
to shorten the event.  It also would elevate the status of the NATS.  I
don't see how this would reduce participation at the local level.  It may
actually increase it!

Keep in mind that this is just DISCUSSION!!!  Don't get all bent out of
shape because we are talking about it.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
BUDDYonRC at aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:56 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

I have a question

Why all of a sudden are you talking about special requirements needed for 

Nat's entry.

My take on this, is if this is done we will reduce participation. I may be
wrong but if I am not how is this going to help pattern and the NSRCA?

I think it will be the first step toward a further reduction in membership
and a step toward an all professional Nat's 

Second question

Tony are you pushing this idea for real?  

Buddy 

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