[NSRCA-discussion] MA Pattern column....(re: moving on...)
Lynn Burks
rclen123 at adelphia.net
Thu Jun 28 19:36:41 AKDT 2007
Hey Old Buddy: I see you are getting bit of rain back there, please send
some of it this way. I hope you are not getting hit as hard as Texas. Lynn
k6xyz wrote:
>
> Vince…..get your pumps out….it’s heading your way!!
>
> We’re ok here….just barely.
>
> Regards
>
> Dave Harmon
> NSRCA 586
> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
> Sperry, Ok.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of
> *vicenterc at comcast.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:04 PM
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List; NSRCA Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] MA Pattern column....(re: moving on...)
>
> I am sure that you guys put floats on those pattern planes already.
> You don't want to miss a single chance to go and practice.
>
> I hope that you and your family are OK after all that rain.
>
> --
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com>
>
> Thanks Dave….glad to see my buddy is taking care of me.:) Can you
> swim back and loan me your copy????:)
>
> Chris
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *k6xyz
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:41 PM
> *To:* 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] MA Pattern column....(re: moving
> on...)
>
> Chris…..I just swam by your house and you can forgedabout that
> magazine….the mailbox is flooded!
>
> Regards
>
> Dave Harmon
> NSRCA 586
> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
> Sperry, Ok.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of
> *White, Chris
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:16 PM
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] MA Pattern column....(re: moving
> on...)
>
> Thanks Fred…. Mine will probably be in the mailbox todayJ
>
> Chris
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Fred Huber
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:19 PM
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] MA Pattern column....(re: moving
> on...)
>
> Just received my MA yesterday.
>
> RC Aerobatics. Eric Henderson. pg 104
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* White, Chris <mailto:chris at ssd.fsi.com>
>
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:22 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] MA Pattern column....(re:
> moving on...)
>
> Sorry…for some odd reason I haven’t got that issue yet.
> Strange because MA never runs late for me.
>
> Thanks….
>
> Chris
>
> srca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:srca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Michael Ramsey
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:01 PM
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] MA Pattern column....(re:
> moving on...)
>
> //Chris://
>
> //You did check the July 2007 issue for Eric's column right?//
>
> Michael Ramsey
> Associate Editor, Model Aviation
> 5161 East Memorial Drive
> Muncie, Indiana 47302
> 765-287-1256 x.223
>
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>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf
> Of *White, Chris
> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2007 9:43 AM
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] MA Pattern column....(re: moving
> on...)
>
> I miss Eric’s MA column…. Where’s our pattern exposure in the
> AMA mag? We have many good people involved who have helped a
> lot of us learn and enjoy our hobby. We can’t afford to build
> walls between each other. I’m not a current NSRCA member, but
> only because my life has limited my involvement at the
> present. I will participate all I can because I enjoy few
> things more than flying with other competitors, and admiring
> their skills whether it be writing, R&D, flying, building,
> coaching, or just hangar flying. (Pattern flyers are a most
> helpful group of competitors!)
>
> I hope (sooner than later) that feelings will heal, procedures
> will be corrected if needed, and people will learn from any
> mistakes they or others may have made.
>
> In the meantime, I would like to thank all the guys who have
> helped so many of us in columns they write in magazines or
> this discussion. (risking criticism etc) I admire all these
> guys for something they’ve done. Danny Landis, Dave Lockhart,
> Eric Henderson. You guys have all made contributions….please
> continue.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris White
>
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>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Lisa & Larry
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:53 PM
> *To:* 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Going forward.
>
> Few things come to mind on this…
>
> For Eric…Although I understand what you are stating and
> realize I don’t have all the facts, I must wonder how this
> thread has helped grow pattern. Eric, I’m not talking about
> you even though this is your ID. How many potential pattern
> guys have now turned away because of this thread? It’s an ugly
> black eye and I don’t appreciate this forum being used for
> this purpose. But now the cats out of the bag, let’s deal with
> it fairly.
>
> For the NSRCA Board….I would like to see where this was
> addressed in the past board meeting minutes. I would like to
> know where this can be reviewed. If not, I request a copy of
> the minutes to be mailed to me at my present address. I would
> like to know what authority a SIG has to sanction a paying AMA
> member from participating in an AMA national event even as a
> judge. At what point did the NSRCA Board discuss this with the
> AMA Competition Board? If not at all it’s nothing less than a
> lynching and the board members responsible for this should
> resign immediately. Eric is an AMA member first. The NATS is
> an AMA event First. I would agree that the CD, with input from
> the NSRCA Board, could recommend sanctions to the AMA on
> behalf of a written protest.
>
> I would be interested in what Dave Brown and the AMA
> Competition Board has to say…
>
> With this being said, if in fact there is rules clearly stated
> and the NSRCA had the authority and acted in those rules let
> me know and I will apologize. I would like to know where it is
> written.
>
> Rules that actually state in the AMA rules book. The pilot or
> anyone on his behalf can’t confront the judge. This violation
> is sufficient to result in disqualification of the pilot from
> this event. See General Competition Rules page 12 of 12 under
> General, Section 8.
>
> In the General Competition Rules it also outlines the rules
> for Protest, See General Competition Rules page 9 of 12 under
> Sanctioned Events, Section 18. I will assume that at a
> Nationals event, the CD followed these rules. They should have
> been followed to the letter regardless of the NSRCA’s
> position. The CD is an AMA representative and acts on the
> AMA’s behalf. No influence by the NSRCA should have impaired
> the protester’s right or the rights of the person being protested.
>
> I would like the NSRCA Board President to respond regarding
> the AMA Protest Rules and how they were followed to the letter
> in this case as well as any sanction for an individual
> confronting a judge regarding a pilots scores.
>
> Larry Diamond
>
> AMA 5024
>
> NSRCA 3083
>
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>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Grow Pattern
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:41 AM
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Going forward.
>
> Please understand that I wrote about what had happened to me
> for a reason greater than personal vindication. There is a
> fundamental problem with sponsorship, contestant judging, and
> the management/development of judges.
>
> (//I can’t address the information given to the Don Lowe
> Masters or the attempt to remove me from Model Aviation
> reporting unless I do something and subpoena the records of
> the NSRCA board, their e-mail their appointee’s mail. To go
> “legal” on the NSRCA would just be ugly, damaging to all and
> exhaust what little NSRCA money there is in the bank. That is
> _not _my agenda).//
>
> I can address how I was processed by the NSRCA as regards
> allegations of biased judging. I can’t do much about what
> happened to me, but I can do something about the next guy.
> **So can you. (After all, it could be you.)**
>
> First of all, the NSRCA needs to amend its charter to state
> that it is a ruling body on judging resources. Then update the
> bylaws to cover the related process. There is an NSRCA bylaw
> on how to do this and it involves all of you, the NSRCA
> membership, voting on a proposed change.
>
> Secondly, the AMA has a pretty good disciplinary process that
> the NSRCA could incorporate to deal with judging infractions.
> It tells the accused what they have been charged with and
> allows the accused to present their case. There is even an
> appeal process if the member does not agree with the decision
> or the punishment.
>
> We all deserve a fair trial and the right to face our
> accuser(s) or the accusation(s).
>
> With the bylaws as they are, I consider the NSRCA board to
> have acted illegally and to not have given me a chance to
> challenge their evidence BEFORE they met and passed their
> sentence.
>
> Most importantly, the NSRCA needs to revamp its judging
> training. They now need to add performance evaluation to allow
> us to know how well we are performing as a judge. Maybe we
> need to be rated as to what we can judge. e.g. which class we
> can cover etc. We should be tested before--not just accused after!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> By NSRCA board voting, I will be eligible to judge pattern in
> 2009.
>
> Please consider this for a moment.
>
> I am sitting in the judge’s chair and I see a zero spin entry,
> no stall etc. I think for a moment as the rest of the spin is
> being executed. Hmmm?
>
> -What if the other judges all saw that as a valid spin entry?
>
> -What should I do? If I am out of the norm, I will be in
> trouble /again/,
>
> -They will be watching.
>
> -It would take only one pilot to complain and I would be toast….
>
> -A small trickle of sweat runs down my back.
>
> -The clock is ticking.
>
> -Oh no! My confidence as a judge is shot.
>
> -I freeze.
>
> -I chicken out and give a 6.
>
> Well, I need not worry because they will never pick me to
> judge again. But they will pick YOU!
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> My thanks for the off-list encouragement. I will keep your
> identity confidential. I understand that you cannot post on
> the discussion-list. I know that it is intimidating when this
> could affect your results down the line. It is supposed to be
> a discussion-list about everything that affects pattern. That
> is, unless your president tell you to not do so!
>
> I really thank the two NSRCA board members who had the courage
> to let me know that the NSRCA board was trying to have me
> removed from writing the column and that they are currently
> planning to take me off the list.
>
> I am sorry I blitzed the discussion-list with long notes but,
> you guys know me--I write and this is what happens when I do J
>
> Got to get back to the real world again.
>
> Good luck everybody and best regards,
>
> Eric--Exiting the box!
>
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