[NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
Archie Stafford
rcpattern at stx.rr.com
Thu Jul 26 19:28:41 AKDT 2007
I have flown this sequence quite a few times. There really is not an issue
doing this if you are over the poles. If you get in close, then yes, you
might have a problem, but if you keep it out, its not problem. An 8 point
doesn't take much more room than a CORRECTLY done slow roll.
Arch
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:17 PM
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Just another thought. We basically are flying something similar right now
with the slow roll going into the same half cuban. There isn't much
difference if you think about it and I haven't heard any complaints about
it.
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From: fhhuber at clearwire.net
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:45:09 -0500
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
Its a half cuban (not reversed...) you can be near end of box before the
pull... (1 large loop radius from end)
If its a reverse... THEN its definitely a squeese for the 8 point.
This "approach" might have a point or two of the 8 point under the 45 drawn
in the half cuban... But it lets you use ALMOST 1/2 a box for the 1/2
cuban... You can size the 5/8 loop and time the 2/2 to end up at a higher
or lower altitude.
The question then becomes.... is it a downgrade to have the maneuvers come
out that way? There can easilly be a straight segment after the 8th point
before the pull and have the result I described.
Line lengths and loop radius (where not required to be equal to a different
length/radius) are not downgrades....
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From: Verne Koester <mailto:verne at twmi.rr.com>
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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
Rex,
The half cuban needs to be fairly large to accommodate the 2/2 pt roll on
the 45 degree downline at the end of it. Make it too small and you'll either
be right on the deck for the start of the next maneuver or worse. It's going
to take about 1/4 of the box to do it right. If you want to center the 8
point roll right before it, that means you need to fly 1/4 of the way into
the box before you start the 8 point roll. It's just a bad combination of
maneuvers that won't work well together in the confines of the box. I'm sure
that's why FAI vertically tall and low box use maneuvers on each end of the
8 point roll in the P07 schedule. I like the schedule too, I just want to
give the 8 point the room it needs.
Verne
----- Original Message -----
From: Rex LESHER <mailto:trexlesh at msn.com>
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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
Derek
I like the Proposed sequence the best... I probably won't be flying it,
but I will be judging it. I personally don't think having
the half cuban after the 8 point is that big of deal. It just forces the
pilot to be in the proper position to execute that string of
three manuevers. As we all know, Positioning is everything... The down
humpty and the inverted 4 point roll is a nice variation of revisited
manuevers. Personally, I think the proposed sequence flows a little better
than the "A" sequence.
Rex
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From: Derek <mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com> Koopowitz
To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
Over the past couple of months we (the NSRCA board) have received a number
of comments about the Masters sequence that was selected in 2005. We heard
that the sequence had too many snaps, turnaround maneuvers did not allow
positioning of the plane (in or out) after the 5th maneuver, and that the
difficulty level from Advanced to Masters was further increased. There was
also an error in the schedule in that one would come out of the Double
Immelman (#10) inverted and head into the Humpty Bump (pull-push-pull) and
head into the ground based on the description. The Masters schedule was
published in the July 2005 issue of the K-Factor (Option A on page 25) - in
order to correct the error, maneuver #9 was modifed to a 1/2 Square Loop
with 1/2 Roll Down instead of the 1/2 Square Loop with 2/2 Pt Roll Down.
The board felt that the original Masters sequence committee should revisit
the schedule to look it over and perhaps make modifications. The original
committee was Troy Newman (chair), Ed Alt, Dave Lockhart, Joe Lachoswki,
Arch Stafford and Bob Pastorello. Bob dropped out since he no longer flies
pattern. Troy and the team started working on it but Troy couldn't devote
100% of his time to it due to the Nats approaching and his commitment to
trying to make the US team. Dave, Ed, Joe and Arch worked the sequence but
decided that it would take too much modification to correct. Instead they
came up with a revised schedule that the board felt was a worthy
replacement. The board would like to submit this schedule to the Contest
Board to be considered as a replacement for the original schedule.
What do we need from everyone? We'd like to get your opinion on the
sequence that was selected in 2005 and the new schedule that was created by
the sequence committee to address the issues that were raised by a number of
pilots.
Here is the sequence that was selected:
2009 Masters 404 Option A
KF
1 Takeoff Sequence 1
2 Stall Turn, 1-1/4 Roll Up, 1-1/4 Positive Snap down 5
3 Top-Hat with 1/4 Rolls, Exit INV 2
4 Cuban 8 with Full Rolls, Exit INV 4
5 Humpty Bump, with options (1/2's or 1/4's up and Down to Exit
Upright) 2
6 Avalanche, 1-1/2 snap roll, Exit INV 4
7 1/2 Square Loop on Corner (1/2 Diamond Loop) 2
8 Eight-Sided Outside Loop from top 4
9 1/2 Square Loop, 1/2pt Roll down 2
10 Double Immelman, Full Rolls 4
11 Humpty Bump (pull-push-pull), Full Roll up, 1/2 Roll down 3
12 8pt Roll 4
13 Stall Turn, Full Roll up 2
14 Two Loops with 1/2 Rolls on top 4
15 1/2 Reverse Cuban 8 with 2/4pt Roll up 2
16 Two 2/2pt Rolls Reversed 4
17 Immelman Turn 2
18 45 degree down, 1-1/2 Positive Snap, Exit INV 3
19 1/2 Cuban 8, Exit INV 2
20 Triangle Loop with Snap Roll on top, Exit INV 4
21 1/2 Square Loop 1
22 Two 2-turn spins, Reversed 4
23 Landing 1
Total 66
Here is the new sequence that was created by the sequence committee:
Proposed 2009-2010 Masters Sequence
No. Kf
1 Takeoff (U) 1
2 Half Clover , with 2/4 pt roll up, 1/2 roll down (U) 4
3 Humpty bump, 2/4 pt. roll up (T) 2
4 Eight point roll (D) 4
5 1/2 Cuban 8, 2/2 pt. Roll (T) 2
6 Avalanche with 1-1/2 snap, INV entry (from bottom) (U) 4
7 Half square loop on corner w/ 1/2 rolls (T) 2
8 Eight sided loop from top, INV entry (D) 4
9 Reverse Humpty Bump w/Options from top(1/2 or 1/4 rolls up and down)
(T) 3
10 45 degree down with 1-1/2 snap roll (U) 3
11 Stall turn, half rolls, INV entry (T) 2
12 Four point roll, INV entry (D) 4
13 Humpty Bump(push,pull,pull), 2/4 pt. Roll Up, 1/2 Roll Down, INV
entry (T) 3
14 Figure-M , with 3/4 Rolls (U) 5
15 Top Hat w/ 1/4 Rolls (T) 2
16 Two 2/2 pt. rolls reversed (D) 4
17 Immelmann Turn (T) 2
18 Hour Glass( MID entry, top first) 2/4 pt roll down (U) 5
19 Figure 9 from middle (INV entry, top first) (T) 1
20 Double Immelmann with Full Rolls (D) 3
21 Half Square Loop with 2/2 pt. roll up (T) 2
22 2-1/2 Turn Spin, INV entry, upright exit (U) 3
23 Landing (U) 1
TOTAL 66
Hopefully the above is legible. please let me know your thoughts.
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