[NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
Tim Taylor
timsautopro at yahoo.com
Thu Jul 26 17:54:27 AKDT 2007
Ok placate everyone, Give Masters a maximum K factor and let them decide their own sequence. Hey it's been done before. :)
Dave Lockhart <davel322 at comcast.net> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Jim,
I think the more you review and evaluate maneuver difficulty and the assigned KFactor, the more you will find discrepancies. And then
.when you start looking at the relative difficulty of a series of maneuvers, it becomes very apparent two series of maneuvers with equal KFactors are anything but equal when it comes to actually flying them (especially in different wind conditions). While KFactor can (and is) an indicator of difficulty, the bottom line for turnaround sequences is that total KFactor and individual maneuver KFactor can be quite misleading.
Regards,
Dave Lockhart
DaveL322 at comcast.net
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J N Hiller
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
I heard there was a change proposal for masters in the works. After trying to fly the current Masters sequence I was having second thoughts about moving up anytime soon. The current masters is a big jump up from advanced and is probably more appropriate to a 150-degree box (2 point slow roll reversed).
Masters, being the top AMA class should maybe have more than one K-5 maneuver. I actually like the figure M with 3/4 rolls. It is not particularly difficult to fly but very challenging to fly well and easy to judge. The square horizontal eight takes a lot of flight time and is difficult to maintain judging references.
I printed the proposed sequence and will try it, hopefully this week.
Thanks
Jim Hiller
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Derek Koopowitz
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:27 PM
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
Over the past couple of months we (the NSRCA board) have received a number of comments about the Masters sequence that was selected in 2005. We heard that the sequence had too many snaps, turnaround maneuvers did not allow positioning of the plane (in or out) after the 5th maneuver, and that the difficulty level from Advanced to Masters was further increased. There was also an error in the schedule in that one would come out of the Double Immelman (#10) inverted and head into the Humpty Bump (pull-push-pull) and head into the ground based on the description. The Masters schedule was published in the July 2005 issue of the K-Factor (Option A on page 25) - in order to correct the error, maneuver #9 was modifed to a 1/2 Square Loop with 1/2 Roll Down instead of the 1/2 Square Loop with 2/2 Pt Roll Down.
The board felt that the original Masters sequence committee should revisit the schedule to look it over and perhaps make modifications. The original committee was Troy Newman (chair), Ed Alt, Dave Lockhart, Joe Lachoswki, Arch Stafford and Bob Pastorello. Bob dropped out since he no longer flies pattern. Troy and the team started working on it but Troy couldn't devote 100% of his time to it due to the Nats approaching and his commitment to trying to make the US team. Dave, Ed, Joe and Arch worked the sequence but decided that it would take too much modification to correct. Instead they came up with a revised schedule that the board felt was a worthy replacement. The board would like to submit this schedule to the Contest Board to be considered as a replacement for the original schedule.
What do we need from everyone? We'd like to get your opinion on the sequence that was selected in 2005 and the new schedule that was created by the sequence committee to address the issues that were raised by a number of pilots.
Here is the sequence that was selected:
2009 Masters 404 Option A
KF
1 Takeoff Sequence 1
2 Stall Turn, 1-1/4 Roll Up, 1-1/4 Positive Snap down 5
3 Top-Hat with 1/4 Rolls, Exit INV 2
4 Cuban 8 with Full Rolls, Exit INV 4
5 Humpty Bump, with options (1/2's or 1/4's up and Down to Exit Upright) 2
6 Avalanche, 1-1/2 snap roll, Exit INV 4
7 1/2 Square Loop on Corner (1/2 Diamond Loop) 2
8 Eight-Sided Outside Loop from top 4
9 1/2 Square Loop, 1/2pt Roll down 2
10 Double Immelman, Full Rolls 4
11 Humpty Bump (pull-push-pull), Full Roll up, 1/2 Roll down 3
12 8pt Roll 4
13 Stall Turn, Full Roll up 2
14 Two Loops with 1/2 Rolls on top 4
15 1/2 Reverse Cuban 8 with 2/4pt Roll up 2
16 Two 2/2pt Rolls Reversed 4
17 Immelman Turn 2
18 45 degree down, 1-1/2 Positive Snap, Exit INV 3
19 1/2 Cuban 8, Exit INV 2
20 Triangle Loop with Snap Roll on top, Exit INV 4
21 1/2 Square Loop 1
22 Two 2-turn spins, Reversed 4
23 Landing 1
Total 66
Here is the new sequence that was created by the sequence committee:
Proposed 2009-2010 Masters Sequence
No. Kf
1 Takeoff (U) 1
2 Half Clover , with 2/4 pt roll up, 1/2 roll down (U) 4
3 Humpty bump, 2/4 pt. roll up (T) 2
4 Eight point roll (D) 4
5 1/2 Cuban 8, 2/2 pt. Roll (T) 2
6 Avalanche with 1-1/2 snap, INV entry (from bottom) (U) 4
7 Half square loop on corner w/ 1/2 rolls (T) 2
8 Eight sided loop from top, INV entry (D) 4
9 Reverse Humpty Bump w/Options from top(1/2 or 1/4 rolls up and down) (T) 3
10 45 degree down with 1-1/2 snap roll (U) 3
11 Stall turn, half rolls, INV entry (T) 2
12 Four point roll, INV entry (D) 4
13 Humpty Bump(push,pull,pull), 2/4 pt. Roll Up, 1/2 Roll Down, INV entry (T) 3
14 Figure-M , with 3/4 Rolls (U) 5
15 Top Hat w/ 1/4 Rolls (T) 2
16 Two 2/2 pt. rolls reversed (D) 4
17 Immelmann Turn (T) 2
18 Hour Glass( MID entry, top first) 2/4 pt roll down (U) 5
19 Figure 9 from middle (INV entry, top first) (T) 1
20 Double Immelmann with Full Rolls (D) 3
21 Half Square Loop with 2/2 pt. roll up (T) 2
22 2-1/2 Turn Spin, INV entry, upright exit (U) 3
23 Landing (U) 1
TOTAL 66
Hopefully the above is legible
please let me know your thoughts.
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