[NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
Joe Lachowski
jlachow at hotmail.com
Thu Jul 26 17:17:15 AKDT 2007
Verne, a bunch of us flew it. We had no problem with it. Frankly, the humpty that we goofed up on in the current schedule before the Figure-M gives me more heartburn<g>. I wish we could change that now. But we did in the proposed schedule.
I want to point out to many of you that when we put together these sequences we were tight on time. As a member of the committee, I didn't remember seeing this sequence until the survey was published. Also, the sequences were not properly grouped in the survey. If we had selected option B for 2009 we would be flying two schedules back to back that were similar. They weren't grouped properly so there was definitely a bias on what was selected. Another thing that was difficult to do in the process was that we were working on this in February. Not all of us were afforded the opportunity to go fly them because of where we lived. We had to rely on the few who were in warmer climates to make sure they worked right. On a final note many of us in the committee for Masters also had the impression that we would have to revisit the 2009/2010 sequence again to make sure things were in perspective no matter what the vote. Guess what, we did.
I will suggest one thing to the NSRCA board. Consider establishing the sequence committees for 2011/2012 and get things designed by next November. That way there is plenty of time after that to give them a long hard look before they are voted on by the membership for the next cycle. The committees could ramp up in late August. It is apparent that people in the other classes besides Masters are looking for a change by then. I will also suggest that we stick to the outlines that Troy and the committee developed. It is an excellent place to start from.
On a last note, if the NSRCA Board had not decided to open up this issue, some of us in the committee would have definitely submitted our own proposal loaded with supporting evidence and facts to support our submission. We felt strongly enough that it had to be addressed. As RVP has stated in the past, it is our right as an AMA member to submit proposals.<g>
From: verne at twmi.rr.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:37:57 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
Rex,
The half cuban needs to be fairly large to accommodate the 2/2 pt roll on the 45 degree downline at the end of it. Make it too small and you'll either be right on the deck for the start of the next maneuver or worse. It's going to take about 1/4 of the box to do it right. If you want to center the 8 point roll right before it, that means you need to fly 1/4 of the way into the box before you start the 8 point roll. It's just a bad combination of maneuvers that won't work well together in the confines of the box. I'm sure that's why FAI vertically tall and low box use maneuvers on each end of the 8 point roll in the P07 schedule. I like the schedule too, I just want to give the 8 point the room it needs.
Verne
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From: Rex LESHER
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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
Derek
I like the Proposed sequence the best... I probably won't be flying it, but I will be judging it. I personally don't think having
the half cuban after the 8 point is that big of deal. It just forces the pilot to be in the proper position to execute that string of
three manuevers. As we all know, Positioning is everything... The down humpty and the inverted 4 point roll is a nice variation of revisited manuevers. Personally, I think the proposed sequence flows a little better than the "A" sequence.
Rex
----- Original Message -----
From: Derek Koopowitz
To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
Over the past couple of months we (the NSRCA board) have received a number of comments about the Masters sequence that was selected in 2005. We heard that the sequence had too many snaps, turnaround maneuvers did not allow positioning of the plane (in or out) after the 5th maneuver, and that the difficulty level from Advanced to Masters was further increased. There was also an error in the schedule in that one would come out of the Double Immelman (#10) inverted and head into the Humpty Bump (pull-push-pull) and head into the ground based on the description. The Masters schedule was published in the July 2005 issue of the K-Factor (Option A on page 25) - in order to correct the error, maneuver #9 was modifed to a 1/2 Square Loop with 1/2 Roll Down instead of the 1/2 Square Loop with 2/2 Pt Roll Down.
The board felt that the original Masters sequence committee should revisit the schedule to look it over and perhaps make modifications. The original committee was Troy Newman (chair), Ed Alt, Dave Lockhart, Joe Lachoswki, Arch Stafford and Bob Pastorello. Bob dropped out since he no longer flies pattern. Troy and the team started working on it but Troy couldn't devote 100% of his time to it due to the Nats approaching and his commitment to trying to make the US team. Dave, Ed, Joe and Arch worked the sequence but decided that it would take too much modification to correct. Instead they came up with a revised schedule that the board felt was a worthy replacement. The board would like to submit this schedule to the Contest Board to be considered as a replacement for the original schedule.
What do we need from everyone? We'd like to get your opinion on the sequence that was selected in 2005 and the new schedule that was created by the sequence committee to address the issues that were raised by a number of pilots.
Here is the sequence that was selected:
2009 Masters 404 Option A KF 1 Takeoff Sequence 1 2 Stall Turn, 1-1/4 Roll Up, 1-1/4 Positive Snap down 5 3 Top-Hat with 1/4 Rolls, Exit INV 2 4 Cuban 8 with Full Rolls, Exit INV 4 5 Humpty Bump, with options (1/2's or 1/4's up and Down to Exit Upright) 2 6 Avalanche, 1-1/2 snap roll, Exit INV 4 7 1/2 Square Loop on Corner (1/2 Diamond Loop) 2 8 Eight-Sided Outside Loop from top 4 9 1/2 Square Loop, 1/2pt Roll down 2 10 Double Immelman, Full Rolls 4 11 Humpty Bump (pull-push-pull), Full Roll up, 1/2 Roll down 3 12 8pt Roll 4 13 Stall Turn, Full Roll up 2 14 Two Loops with 1/2 Rolls on top 4 15 1/2 Reverse Cuban 8 with 2/4pt Roll up 2 16 Two 2/2pt Rolls Reversed 4 17 Immelman Turn 2 18 45 degree down, 1-1/2 Positive Snap, Exit INV 3 19 1/2 Cuban 8, Exit INV 2 20 Triangle Loop with Snap Roll on top, Exit INV 4 21 1/2 Square Loop 1 22 Two 2-turn spins, Reversed 4 23 Landing 1 Total 66
Here is the new sequence that was created by the sequence committee:
Proposed 2009-2010 Masters Sequence No. Kf 1 Takeoff (U) 1 2 Half Clover , with 2/4 pt roll up, 1/2 roll down (U) 4 3 Humpty bump, 2/4 pt. roll up (T) 2 4 Eight point roll (D) 4 5 1/2 Cuban 8, 2/2 pt. Roll (T) 2 6 Avalanche with 1-1/2 snap, INV entry (from bottom) (U) 4 7 Half square loop on corner w/ 1/2 rolls (T) 2 8 Eight sided loop from top, INV entry (D) 4 9 Reverse Humpty Bump w/Options from top(1/2 or 1/4 rolls up and down) (T) 3 10 45 degree down with 1-1/2 snap roll (U) 3 11 Stall turn, half rolls, INV entry (T) 2 12 Four point roll, INV entry (D) 4 13 Humpty Bump(push,pull,pull), 2/4 pt. Roll Up, 1/2 Roll Down, INV entry (T) 3 14 Figure-M , with 3/4 Rolls (U) 5 15 Top Hat w/ 1/4 Rolls (T) 2 16 Two 2/2 pt. rolls reversed (D) 4 17 Immelmann Turn (T) 2 18 Hour Glass( MID entry, top first) 2/4 pt roll down (U) 5 19 Figure 9 from middle (INV entry, top first) (T) 1 20 Double Immelmann with Full Rolls (D) 3 21 Half Square Loop with 2/2 pt. roll up (T) 2 22 2-1/2 Turn Spin, INV entry, upright exit (U) 3 23 Landing (U) 1 TOTAL 66
Hopefully the above is legible… please let me know your thoughts. _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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