[NSRCA-discussion] Chapter-5 Going too far.

[Ron Van Putte]

You could argue that missing a point in a 2 of 4 Point Roll should  
earn at least a 6-point downgrade, because the missing point can be  
considered missing a point by 90 degrees.  The rule book says to  
downgrade 5 points or more for missing points.  However, I contend  
that kind of downgrade is for hesitation rolls with multiple points.   
If the maneuver is supposed to be a 1/2 Square Loop w/ 2 of 4 Point  
Roll Up and the pilot actually does a 1/2 Square Loop w/ 1/2 Roll Up,  
he's missed one point in a two-point maneuver and I think it should  
be a zero.

Even so, if the pilot gets a zero or four points, he still isn't  
going to be too pleased with himself.

Ron Van Putte

On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:33 PM, george w. kennie wrote:

> I would have given him a 5. I would interpret that as the pilot  
> missing one
> point of a point maneuver.
> G.
>
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>> However, with judges taught to downgrade from what they saw, an
>> incorrect maneuver is easy to slip in, unless the judge memorizes the
>> maneuver schedule or there's a caller for the judges.  For example, a
>> pilot performs what's supposed to be a 1/2 Square Loop w/ 2 of 4
>> Point Roll Up.  However, he actually does a 1/2 Square Loop w/ 1/2
>> Roll Up.  Hmmmm.  Looks right, but it's a zero.  Many judges will
>> miss it.
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Doug Cronkhite wrote:
>>
>>> There's a huge disparity between not seeing a downgrade and outright
>>> missing someone flying the wrong maneuver.
>>>
>>> -Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fred Huber wrote:
>>>> Thats actually the premise behind how we are told to judge..
>>>>
>>>> If you don't see a downgrade... its a 10.
>>>>
>>>> *******
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't get away with doing a wrong way over-rotation... I'd be
>>>> saying
>>>> "Oh crap!" loud enough for the judges to hear.  If the pilot says
>>>> something
>>>> like that... you can pretty well figure he thinks he zeroed the
>>>> maneuver.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Doug Cronkhite" <seefo at san.rr.com>
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>>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 12:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Chapter-5 Going too far.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> At the TOC in 2000, on the very last flight of the event, Chip
>>>>> had a 1
>>>>> 1/4 positive snap to the right on a vertical downline, but he
>>>>> instead
>>>>> did 1 3/4 snaps to the left. Because he exited the correct
>>>>> direction,
>>>>> only ONE judge out of ten (Peter Wessels) caught it. The other 9
>>>>> judges
>>>>> gave him VERY good scores.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't always assume that the higher score is correct. It's  
>>>>> entirely
>>>>> possible they just didn't see the downgrades/mistakes made.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Doug
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