[NSRCA-discussion] Back to glow???!!!

Mon Jan 15 05:33:56 AKST 2007

That's funny Robert, 

I would prefer to think that the YS sponsorship had something to do with
the last 7 years of pattern flying, about 50 contests, a 2002 nats win
and some other years of placing there, a whole mess of local wins from
intermediate - FAI.  I don't know - maybe 15 or 20 K-Factor articles,
some time on the judging committee and as D7 and D3 AVP positions.  I
happen to like it when people share some experienced based information,
instead of the wealth of conjecture threads like "... what color scheme
is the best."  ... just me thinking out loud though....  other opinions
vary I'm sure.  

... and to think I thought I wrote a fairly clean email below, not
flaming particular E -quipment, and I even mentioning OS :-)  .  As I
wrote it, I felt a flame from Del may be coming though, as I did mention
Hatori, which may or not be an advertiser in the K-Factor????  I don't
know - haven't been reading the list of advertiser sections in the big K
lately.  

Thanks,

Jim W.

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Mairs
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:19 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Back to glow???!!!

Fire............that's a low blow, you earned your YS sponsorship!!

	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Jim Woodward <mailto:Jim.Woodward at armorholdings.com>  

	To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

	Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:48 AM

	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Back to glow???!!!

	Hi Mike,

	After the Nationals this summer I switched back from E to glow
and now running the YS 160.  This motor has been really fun to run, but
I have sent one back due to a dragging on the back-plate.  This was
repaired and runs like a thoroughbred now.  There is almost no drip of
any kind on this system until the exhaust point of the stinger (using
Hatori 821/822 combination from Central....)

	I hope you have a good E-experience.  There was not a single
E-component in the powertrain I used that did not outright fail after
just a few flights, fail out of the package, or have seriously degraded
performance after a short number of runs.  Further, while expecting
"consistent" performance, I found more variables taking place with the E
setup than on glow.  Looking back, my OS 140 setup was more "consistent"
day to day than my E-period.  The E stuff is critical on monitoring
battery consumption, amps, etc...   This pertains to the equipment I
used.  I realized that my comfort running glow and dealing with the full
realm of potential problems is easier for me to handle than learning an
entirely new problem solving set for E, then having duplicate equipment
to deal with those potential problems.

	For me - (advice just worth what your paying for it), the E
stuff takes way more time & money to "care-and-feed" than my glow setup,
and this far out weighs any potential E-Advantage.  I do not think you
get a "better flying plane" with E, you just get to play with bigger
prop diameters.  If there is a point benefit to flying E, I think that
the planes are so close that if were to blink or sneeze during the
flight one would overtake the other.    I think the E stuff is a bit
more one dimensional and you should anticipate your weather conditions a
bit more than with glow (... the haul-butt option always seems to be
present with the glow setup if you want it).  You need to develop a ton
of insight into your E setup as to avoid ruining it quickly.  I think
that for 97.5% of us pattern fliers, we are far better served just by
getting more flying time in.  For me it is FAR EASIER to take a gallon
of fuel out and fly.  When I get home the plane goes on the shelf until
next week - no need to sit and watch batteries charging so I can put out
a potential fire.

	Thanks,

	Jim W.

	YS Performance.  

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike
mueller
	Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:14 AM
	To: NSRCA Mailing List
	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Back to glow???!!!

	 This year I have one E. and one DZ plane. I'm really looking
forward to not having to clean gunky exhaust off all the time. I really
think that flying Electric is easier. Just plug it in and take off. I'm
also looking forward to the potential savings I will see in shipping
from Richards repair shop and my house. Trust me it's been a substantial
sum. Mike

	Robert Mairs <robertm at sssnet.com> wrote: 

	Any time I get the urge to go back to the DZ, I just look at my
old log 
	book, that usually ends it. Plus I called the hobby shop to see
what a case 
	of 30% was going for since I hadn't bought any in a couple of
years, my 
	original packs are at breakeven with glow, any extra is a bonus.

	> Adrien L Terrenoire wrote:
	>> Just recently I was having a discussion with several top
pattern
	>> fliers adn the sentiment seemed to be that we will be heading
BACK to
	>> nitro power, and away from the current, pun intended, trend.
	>>
	>> Any thoughts out there?
	>>
	>> Terry T
	>>
	>> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:18:55 -0500 "Emory Schroeter"
	>> > writes:
	>>
	>> Jon,
	>>
	>> Don't let it get under your skin. Someone will always find
fault
	>> with what you do when it is done publicly. BTW, I saved a
copy of
	>> your article just in case I decide to switch back to glow :-)
	>> Although, I'm not ready to switch back yet. Thanks for taking
the
	>> time to do it. It is important that folks like yourself
contribute
	>> to the KF. It is the only way it will continue to be a
fantastic
	>> publication.
	>>
	>> Thanks, Emory.
	>>
	>>
	>> ----- Original Message -----
	>> *From:* JonLowe at aol.com 
	>> *To:* nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
	>> 
	>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:15 PM
	>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List rules... ??
	>>
	>> Amen. I'm getting tired of the "political correctness" both
	>> on the list and the K Factor. I'm taking it a little personal
	>> at this point, because Lamar Blair told me that he got a
	>> letter (not email) the other day blasting the article I wrote
	>> on the OS 1.60 in the Nov 2006 K Factor. Why? Because I
	>> dared to mention Tower Hobbies and other sources as suggested
	>> places you could get the pieces I described. I have not seen
	>> the letter, as Lamar sent it on to Derek K., but Lamar
	>> described the contents. The writer is a member of NSRCA and
	>> was offended because I mentioned non-advertising vendors, at
	>> the alledged expense of advertising vendors and local hobby
	>> shops. Let's see, Great Planes is a regular full page
	>> advertiser in the K Factor as the importer for Futaba and OS.
	>> Hmm, who owns Great Planes? Hobbico. Who owns Tower?
	>> Hobbico. Seems like Hobbico supports the K Factor to me. So
	>> much for that crime.
	>>
	>> Other vendors I mentioned were Aeroslave, Andy Pollitt for
	>> nose rings, Home Depot, Karl Mueller for headers, Boca
	>> Bearings, Dave Lockhart for repitched props, Bob Pasterello
	>> for coupler material, Morgan fuel, and a couple of others in
	>> passing. Why did I mention them? Because that would have
	>> been the first email I got, asking, "where do you buy this
	>> stuff?". Some of these guys are so small that advertising a
	>> lot doesn't make sense for them. Very few, if any, of the
	>> specialized parts may be available at your particular local
	>> hobby shop (LHS), and some vendors don't sell thru LHS. I
	>> support my LHS, but giving sources lets people look at what
	>> they are buying, even if they get it thru the LHS. I also
	>> support K Factor vendors, as my bills from Central and Budd
	>> prove. And sometimes I just don't feel like driving 20
	>> minutes to my LHS for something they don't stock and would
	>> special order, that I can order online and have delivered to
	>> my door in a couple of days.
	>>
	>> Frankly, I think Ihncheol did the right thing. He let people
	>> know of a supply for a scare product in high demand. He could
	>> have told his buddies about it, and have one of them post it,
	>> and no one would (or could)have said a thing. It isn't like
	>> he is on here all the time pushing his products.
	>>
	>> The writer of the letter did not have the courtesy to copy me
	>> on the letter. Derek, if you read this, please send me a copy
	>> when you get it. Frankly, if the whole thing wasn't so
	>> ridiculous, I'd think twice about writing another article for
	>> the K Factor.
	>>
	>> Incidently, I am not sponsored by any of the companies I
	>> mentioned in my article or here. I do write for RC Report on
	>> occasion. Oops, I just mentioned a non-advertisor! Shame on
	>> me...
	>>
	>> Jon Lowe
	>>
	>>
	>>
	>> In a message dated 1/14/2007 11:42:58 AM Central Standard
	>> Time, ronlock at comcast.net writes:
	>>
	>> We benefit from short focused posts on availability of
	>> some difficult to
	>> find product/part, substitute parts, reference to a part
	>> to solve problems,
	>> answers to questions, etc. Be that from a sponsored
	>> pilot, service company,
	>> cottage supplier, etc.
	>>
	>> Do we need to ask NSRCA leadership for an interpretation
	>> or re-write of the
	>> Policy to establish a "Balance" of OK information as
	>> opposed to abuse of the
	>> list
	>> by advertisers? If this is a problem, then maybe so. Ive
	>> not seen a
	>> problem.
	>>
	>>
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