[NSRCA-discussion] Sinking shipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

Fri Aug 24 08:24:49 AKDT 2007

Hmm, good idea, fly it where you can see it. Maybe it’s time to revisit the
150-degree box proposal or eliminate it as IMAC has.
Pattern has never been a spectator sport, too boring and repetitious. All
the airplanes look the same. The casual observer has no idea what we are
attempting to do. It helps to get out of our chairs and walk around and talk
to people. Make it easy for them to ask questions. Most will listen with
interest.
Jim Hiller

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Del K. Rykert
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]Sinking
shipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

What got me hooked was watching a local practice in the olden days do a slow
roll 5 foot off the deck for 6 secs. Said to self...  Hmm  that looks
impressive, Wonder if I could learn to do that. This was done right over the
middle of the runway though. Those days are long gone. Sorry to say but the
way we fly today wouldn't have planted the hook for me. I flew full scale at
the time and didn't see any interest until seeing something I couldn't do
with my private ship. Had been flying R/C for at least 8 years at that time.

    Del
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Frederick <mailto:mjfrederick at cox.net>
To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking
shipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

If it wasn't for my dad, I never would have thought of flying pattern... to
him, it was the only option!
----- Original Message -----
From: mike mueller <mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>
To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking
shipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

 Pattern breeds pattern!!!! I like that. And parents of pattern flyers breed
new pattern flyers. How many in pattern today were introduced to RC and
pattern by a father? I was. Mike

Mike Hester < kerlock at comcast.net <mailto:kerlock at comcast.net> > wrote:
Been saying this forever, but sometimes it falls on deaf ears........
"pattern breeds pattern".

if there are no pattern flyers at your club, then fly pattern. No, most
won't be interested at first, but give them time....ONE will decide to give
it a shot. may take a few months, may take a few years. But once you get 2,
it turns into 4...then 8....etc. The key is being there and flying it and
NEVER speaking badly about it. you have to "sell" the idea that it's fun,
challenging, and they can DO IT.

Let's face it, in a club with 100 members, MAYBE 5 will ever be interested
in pursuing pattern. The time, money, discipline, etc that it takes to
actively compete is a level of participation and dedication that most people
do not have, and that's not a bad thing....toy planes. But we have to make
sure we reach those 5 and don't do anything stupid to burn them before they
get hooked.

Jack is a monster. He is going to be TOUGH. He was flying a 60-90 sized
plane and whipping 2 meters on a national level. Your average guy is going
to see that and say "I could never do that". But 5% are going to say "I WANT
to do that". Find em.

-Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Wilson <mailto:wilsorc at gmail.com>
To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship
Syndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

Insights from a long time RC flyer who has just joined NSRCA.
Most RC pilots don't understand pattern and don't want to look bad.  It's
easy to flippity-flop all over the sky, but disciplined flying is tough.
No one has ever required them to fly a straight line parallel to the runway.
Anything other than a loop or roll is alien.   Humpty's, Top-Hats, Figure M,
Cobra
you might as well talk Swahili.  If NSRCA is going to address falling
membership they need to educate the RC community at the ground level.   At
the Peoria RC Modelers we are trying hard to promote pattern.  Most
exciting, however, is a young man from China (Jack Li) who joined our club.
Jack is 16 and practiced pattern in China.  This year he competed in
"Intermediate" at Hoffman Estates and won first place.   His subsequent
visit to the NATS resulted in an Intermediate 2nd place.  Next year he will
be competing at the "Masters" level.  Our club is taking a new look at
Pattern and beginning to wake up.  A recent club "Mini Pattern" event had 10
competitors.  Hopefully, we will build on this and get more people into
serious competition, but we really feel that education and emphasis on the
Sportsman sequence is the key to bringing in new blood.

Bob Wilson
VP
Peoria RC Modelers

On 8/22/07, John Gayer < jgghome at comcast.net <mailto:jgghome at comcast.net> >
wrote:
Del,

Having sold advertising(a lot) when I ran a radio station, I can tell you
that the customers need to be constantly resold on a product that is clearly
in their best interests.
This also means selling on the basis that the advertising works, not as
charity support for the NSRCA. Feedback to the advertisers is also key to
keeping an advertiser on-board. We as members need find a way to mention the
K-Factor whenever you buy something and to make sure that you know who is
currrently advertising.

John

Del K. Rykert wrote:
I suspect is mostly because of lack of support or don't have the
resources/time or health to commit to office. What I haven't seen is a
change in the numbers no matter how positive the attitudes are of the
officers and leaders. A few years ago when I tried to bring up the
perception of a known problem in my mind I was told to be quiet as we are
making changes and things will improve.  That was years ago..  How many more
years will it take? I still see a continuing decline with some insisting it
is only a local thing thinking as their area/district is growing so
therefore no problem. If I don't see a change to the positive I have to
assume the efforts on everyone's part hasn't truly addressed the issues. I
fully realize all about " assuming". So if the true goal is to draw new
blood and grow the ranks then the efforts have to be shifted to focus the
few resources the organization does have to focus more efforts to draw the
new blood. If the advertisers were truly onboard they would be there year
after year..  Not need further enticements to return to placing an ad.

None of my comments are meant to infer all the efforts of all parties hasn't
been commendable in their efforts to address the problem. The results are
what I still feel need to be addressed. Survey the potential wannabes. If no
wannabe exist then we are left with what we have.

    Del
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Maxwell <mailto:patternrules at yahoo.com>
To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship Syndrome?
Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

 Have to agree with John and Mike on this, this adminstation has only been
in office a few months and nothing happens over night.
 The other thing I always see is people with ideas but never see there name
on a ballet if people are really want to make a difference and they have all
the better ways why do we see unopposed ballets.
 Steve Maxwell

mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com> <mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>  wrote:
 Very well stated JLK. I have been in pattern for a very longtime and I can
tell you that the leaders we have right now are taking us in a positive
direction. I have a lot of faith in them. It will take some patience but I
think there are a lot of positive things in place.
 This forum is an open discussion of ideas and thoughts some are agreeable
some are not. Either way its it important that everyone be heard. If there's
a new concept that has merit then in time the group will adopt it.
 The biggest problem that I see with our sport is the lack of younger people
getting in. We need new blood ASAP.        Mike

John Konneker <jlkonn at hotmail.com> <mailto:jlkonn at hotmail.com>  wrote:
If I may.
As a lot of you know I am the ad manager for the K-Factor.
It is my goal to bring enough advertisers on board to make the K-Factor self
supporting.
I believe that goal is achievable.
I just prepared the invoicing for the July issue and total billings, month
to month, are increasing.
We have a great bunch of advertisers already that have been very supportive
of the NSRCA.
Please support them whenever you can.
I contact potential advertisers all the time.
If you have any you'd like to suggest please let me know.
If you have personal contact with any and think you can get them interested,
by all means talk to them.
Ron Davies is doing a great job as treasurer and reports on the NSRCA
finances every month in his K-Factor column.
Through these reports you can see it's not just members dues that generate
the operating income of the NSRCA.
As an aside I flew the Nats this year.
Derek invited me to the NSRCA board meeting held on Tuesday night.
I had been out of RC since the late '80s and only started pattern again last
year.
I can't tell you how impressed I was with the officers.
Everyone, without exception, has the advancement of pattern in their hearts.
Everyone, without exception, was positive in their attitude.
There were no hidden agendas.
No "us" vs "them".
>From Derek on down we have a great bunch!
JLK

>From: "Del K. Rykert"
>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List
>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship Syndrome? Please
>review'NSRCAMembers'
>Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:51:54 -0400
>
>I truly hear you message loud and clear John. Do you have any further
>suggestions, as many don't want to look at some of the changes that have
>been proposed? I know it has been discussed on the list to degree of
>making some just deleting post without even reading them. Either they don't
>care or don't want to hear it. Hate to be so sinister to assume they want
>to see the NSRCA fail. I hope.
>
> Del
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Gayer
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:51 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Please review 'NSRCAMembers'
>
>
> The attached Chart is based on numbers on the NSRCA website and the
>treasurer's report in the latest K-Factor. If the membership continues to
>reject any thoughts or proposals that might help, I see this downward slide
> continuing. We are currently on the verge of being unable to afford
>producing the K-Factor which is about the only reason to stay on.
>
> I tried to post this several days ago with an inline chart but the size
>was 4K oversize for the list parameters. It's been awaiting approval of the
>moderator.
>
> John Gayer
> NSRCA 632
>
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