[NSRCA-discussion] Old Farts club

Fri Aug 17 13:32:53 AKDT 2007

Talk about memories !  Elliot and Krause came to a contest in Gardner, Mass 
in the late 60's and I got to see Jerry do a 4 point roll about 20 feet off 
the deck with about 1.5 second hesitations on each point, dead-on heading 
and altitude as I stood there agape and drooling. I was so inspired that I 
spent many hours practicing with my Taurus until I mastered the thing to the 
same degree of perfection. Of course it was easier to execute the maneuver 
back then because we practically did it over our heads and any deviations 
were readily visible and correctable.
We sat around at dinner discussing the merits of EK, Kraft, and Orbit 
systems.Great times !!! Just one of those indellible memories. Thanks for 
reminding me Chris.
G.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Old Farts club

> Hi Dwayne,
> I worked for Bill in 1976 and again in 1980 at his hobby shop.... He was
> influential in my flying and he was a great boss who became a great
> friend.  Bill was a super flyer and builder and I used to love to hear
> his stories about contests with Bill Thomas, Dale Nutter, Jerry Krause,
> Bob Elliot, Bud Atkinson, and many others. When Bill flew a model
> airplane, he became the airplane....He forgot more about model airplanes
> than I'll ever know....I flew with Bill many times (he was 6'8"...I'm
> 5'6" talk about Mutt & Jeff:)
> I'll miss him. He is survived by his wife Betty, family in Claremore and
> many friends.
> Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> DwayneNancy
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:46 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Old Farts club
>
> I was wondering about Bill.  He used to come to the Dallas R/C pattern
> contest in the middle 60's.  That's when Dallas got a paved runway at
> North
> Lake installed by the county at not cost to the club.  He and Bill
> Thomas
> were always active in Class II.  Dwayne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of White,
> Chris
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:50 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Old Farts club
>
> Hey Jon,
> You mentioned an airplane in the class II category which would do really
> good axial rolls ....funny my friend Bill Knost used to fly class II and
> he mentioned one that would do that too.  I believe he said it was Bud
> Atkinson's Flat Top Stormer....and the first time he did that in
> competition they did an inspection to make sure he wasn't flying class
> III (ailerons)?
>
> Jon, does that ring a bell????
>
> On a sad note we lost Bill Knost last Friday...age 82:()
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of billglaze
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:39 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Old Farts club
>
> Yeah, Jon, a good friend of mine, Bill Williams, almost turned into a
> perennial winner of "rudder only" class, when he cascaded a throttle on
> his
> Bonner escapement.  He also rigged up a tailwheel brake that worked.
> The
> airplane was a Mambo.  We always claimed that he had a whole closet full
> of
> them.
> His modifications were protested at one of the NAT's, and they made him
> de-activate the tailwheel brake, and the throttle.
> He won anyway, plus he won the radio at the banquet raffle.  I believe
> it
> was the contest at Glenview.  Throttle/brake or not, he was definitely
> superior.  He had the only airplane I had seen at the time, with which
> he
> could do a controllable 3 turn spin.  If it came out slightly off
> heading,
> at least he got some points for it, as opposed to his competition who
> could
> only watch and  wonder............."how does he do it?"
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Old Farts club
>
>
>> Yeah, those eveolved in the few years before AMA went to the A,B,C
>> classes into:
>>
>> Class 1:  Rudder/Throttle only
>> Class 2:  Rudder/elevator/throttle
>> Class 3:  Full house
>>
>> Class 1 airplanes evolved in ridiculous things that could only fly in
> a
>> straight line at mid throttle.  They had so much up thrust that full
>> throttle would loop them, and if rudder was applied, they would do
>> consequetive barrel rolls.  I remember watching one try to fly in high
>> winds that could not go upwind because it needed throttle, but would
>> loop everytime the pilot touched it!  They had rudders on them that
> put
>> the ones on modern day pattern ships to shame.  Used proportional gear
>> also!
>>
>> Class 2  had some good flying airplanes, including one that would do a
>> nice axial roll with just full rudder.   I had one (can't remember the
>> name of it) and I was going to go to contests with it, but then came
>> the A,B,C system, and I built one of my Dad's prototype Phoenix 5s for
>> that.  Then came college, girls, and cars, and a 35 year layoff from
>> the hobby.  First time I saw a modern pattern plane, I went "holy
> s--t,
>> what happened?".
>>
>>
>> Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 1:21 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Old Farts club
>>
>>
>>
>> Class 1, single channel. rudder only.
>>
>> Class 2, single channel, everything you could get on it, rudder,
>> elevator, motor.
>>
>> Class 3, Multi channel. (Period.)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Bob Richards
>>
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>
>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 6:52 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Old Farts club
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Remember when the different pattern classes were based on how many
>> channels were used?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yep. A friend had a Schoolboy. Loops, rolls, wingovers, Cuban 8's,
>> split S
>> and Immelmans were all possible.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in
>> classselection?-->Personaldilemma, what to do next season
>>
>>> Yes! I forget the name of the aircraft, but it was a high wing, low
>>> stab taildragger with A LOT of upthrust on the engine. It was pretty
>>> amazing what you could do with just the rudder.
>>>
>>> Oh.. and I'm only 39 years old, but I've been flying for 35 years.
>>>
>>> -Doug
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Bob Richards
>>> Date: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:38 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class
>>> selection?-->Personal dilemma, what to do next season
>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>>
>>>> Have you flown RC for more than 30 years?? Have you ever looped
>>>> and rolled an airplane with just rudder control? :-)
>>>>
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