[NSRCA-discussion] Hello: Stirring uptheMasters 2009Sequencediscussionagain...

Ken Thompson mrandmrst at comcast.net
Fri Aug 17 04:49:03 AKDT 2007 

Lance,

I think your proposal would cover the immediate issue's which started a discussion originally. One pilot in Sportsman, that in his first and only contest, has reached the current rule limit forcing to move to Intermediate, and Jon's issue of, having attended a lot of contests, would have pointed out of Advanced in one year.

I see these two situations as the catalyst for our point system discussion of the last several days.

Ken
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lance Van Nostrand 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hello: Stirring uptheMasters 2009Sequencediscussionagain...


  No I didn't. The form is in pdf form and I filled it out by hand.  Sections affected are 8.2 and 8.2.1.  I didn't publish the exact text of the proposal, just the essential idea.  See my email below.  the one that starts with "I have considered...."
  --Lance
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: John Gayer 
    To: NSRCA Mailing List 
    Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:45 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hello: Stirring up theMasters 2009Sequencediscussionagain...


    Lance,
    I think you skipped the attachment?

    Lance Van Nostrand wrote: 
I have a rules proposal form filled out. here's your chance to really make a 
difference.  Please tell me if this proposal will make it better.
--Lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Stirring up the Masters 
2009Sequencediscussionagain...


  I have considered all the proposals and am unsatisfied.  Ideally we could
make use of a national database but lacking that I have a simple 
adjustment
to the current system: let people stay in a class for at least 2 years
regardless of their performance.

This addresses both the occasional pilot that doesn't want to be penalized
for a good performance in Sportsman, and the very active pilot that
accumulates a lot of points quickly, is getting lots of practice, but is 
not
yet ready to move up.  Yes this could be abused, but that is what Earl is
for.

If this were officially proposed would you support it as an improvement?
Please really think about all the other ideas and how they'd work in large
and small districts, with pilots of varying skill and motivation, etc.
--Lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Stirring up the Masters 2009Sequence
discussionagain...


    Glen,
You are spot on.  I have competed in Advanced just this season, and
have 70 points with several district contests left in 2007.  I finished
5th at the Nats, but was never really in contention to finish higher.
District 3 has a lot of competitors in advanced.  I'm a decent but not
great pilot in advanced right now, so I've gathered more points than I
would have in a smaller district. Do I feel at all ready to move to
Masters?  Absolutely not.  Therefore, I am going to sit out contests
this year so I don't point out.  Or I might fly the FAI P07 at a couple
of contests just for giggles.  The jump right now between Advanced and
Masters is just too big right now for me, and the current advanced
pattern does not properly prepare you for Masters.

Jon Lowe


-----Original Message-----
From: Glen Watson <gwatson11 at houston.rr.com>
To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Stirring up the Masters 2009Sequence
discussionagain...



Is the issue that competitors are forced by the current AMA regulations
to
move up thru the classes via a point system whether a competitor feels
ready
or not?

Just mastering a maneuver is not enough.  Being able to manage
positioning
throughout an entire sequence regardless of weather conditions is a
major
task which becomes more challenging as maneuver complexity and
difficultly
increases.  A good example is the Figure M.  I witnessed many
competitors
during the prelims at the NATS not able to sustain proper track and
positioning in the cross/quartering winds we experienced. They would
begin
at 150-175 meters and finish at 80 meters from being blown in.
Practice can
address this however as I read here in previous posts not all have the
time
they wish to practice.

The current point system for Intermediate and Advanced is based on a 4
year
cumulative total although one could point out in a single year from
attending enough well attended contests. A potential issue here in
District
6 for example. Does this make someone ready for the next class?

If a pattern enthusiast has limited time to enable them to be
comfortable
flying a particular class why make it mandatory to move up.  If the
point
system criterion was revised in such a manner to reset each year and
force
only top consistent place finishers to move up that would provide more
time
for those with limit time to hone the skills necessary to be comfortable
moving on to the next class.  In addition I feel this raises the
competitive
bar in Intermediate and Advanced having more experience competitors
within
the ranks.

Glen




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