[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?

John Gayer jgghome at comcast.net
Wed Aug 15 16:13:28 AKDT 2007


That must mean the progression rules are in effect for all AMA classes, 
right? Including 406?

Tim Taylor wrote:

> FAI is class 406, an AMA Class, Just checked the rule book.
>  
>  http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/rulebooks/RC%20Aerobatics.pdf
>
> */Fred Huber <fhhuber at clearwire.net>/* wrote:
>
>     In that case... there's no support for offering FAI class at an
>     AMA sanctioned event. 
>      
>     Its not an AMA class.  Have a seperate contest.
>      
>     That worm turns 2 ways.
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Ken Thompson <mailto:mrandmrst at comcast.net>
>         *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:57 PM
>         *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class
>         selection?
>
>         The bottom line is this...the AMA has 4 classes, the top level
>         being Masters.  FAI is an international F3A class, not a AMA
>         class..."in my opinion" there can never be a mandatory
>         progression from an AMA SIG class to an international class.
>          
>         As for your question, my logic should, and does, apply to
>         every class controlled by the AMA...which is what I'm talking
>         about.
>          
>         Ken
>
>             ----- Original Message -----
>             *From:* John Gayer <mailto:jgghome at comcast.net>
>             *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
>             <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>             *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:38 PM
>             *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in
>             class selection?
>
>             Why does this apply to every class except Masters??
>             Aren't there better flyers available to learn from in FAI?  :)
>             John
>
>             Ken Thompson wrote:
>
>>Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!!    You will only get better if you do one of two things,    1.  Fly against people that are better than you, obviously paying attention   to their flights.    2.  Have a pilot that is better than you willing to coach you.    I've been blessed with having both...any contest I go to in D6 will have   pilots that are better  than I am, and I have Archie as a coach to help me through the little   things.    BTW:  I fully expect to be flying Masters in 6 or 7 years.  That will put me   at 54 or 55 years old when I make the move.    Personally I have no desire to go to contests and come in 1st or 2nd on a   regular basis, AND stay in that  class...it simply won't make me a better pilot.  My goal is to
>> get better   every year, with hard work and patience,  it will happen.    Ken      ----- Original Message -----   From: <rcpattern at stx.rr.com>  To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:55 PM  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?        
>>
>>>I take exception to this.  FAI and Masters are not related.  I have  been flying masters several years, finishing as high as second this  year at the NATS.  Yes, I'm coming back next year in Masters.  I have  a goal of winning the nats before I move up.  I can be realistic...at  some point with enough practice I might be able to crack the finals in  FAI at the NATS, but I'm smart enough to know that realistically  winning FAI isnt going to happen.  I
>>> would also argue that the guys  that have been flying masters for years, just raise the bar.  I know  in different areas I've flown around the country, these are the guys  that make guys fly better.  Show up in District 6 sometime, and fly  Masters...you'll definitely get better.  6 of the top 10 at the NATS  were D6.  The means, guy that finished in the top 10 at the NATS in  what is probably top to bottom the most competitive class have trouble  getting wood at a local contest.  I can promise you though, the guys  that fly here have greatly  improved their flying than they would have in other parts of the  country.  Glen has set the bar here for a while, and I know the other  guys are pushing to catch him, and if you look now at local contest  scores, it is getting closer.  At any given time down here in D6, I'd  say 6 or 7 guys can take a round in masters.  Now that makes it fun. I  know when I was flying in D4 last year.  Every contest I went to, was  Verne K, and
>>> Steve Miller....I knew I'd better put up great flights  every flight and this makes you a better pilot.  I think you should  try moving up...take a year of the low 900's, and then see where you  are the following year.  I bet you start moving up and before you know  it you would be right there in the mix.  This is a competitive  activity and the only way you improve is flying against people who are  better than you.    Arch      ----- Original Message -----  From: John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net>  Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:41 pm  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?  To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>        
>>>
>>>>Ron,  I take exception to those rules. There should be only one  destination  class. Why shouldn't
>>>> there be a mandatory move from Masters to  F3A? They  are just two patterns with a natural progression as there is  between  Advanced and Masters.  Parking and sandbagging is a mental state, not a rules violation.  john    Ron Van Putte wrote:          
>>>>
>>>>>The Master class is the top AMA class and there is no mandatory          
>>>>>
>>>>move        
>>>>
>>>>>from the Master class to F3A, so how can there be "parkers" or  "sandbaggers"?    Ron Van Putte    On Aug 15, 2007, at 2:10 PM, John Gayer wrote:            
>>>>>
>>>>>>how about changing the AMA advancemant rule and keep it very            
>>>>>>
>>>>simple?>> Your first contest of the year will determine your class  for the        
>>>>
>>>>>>year. You may go up one class at any time during
>>>>>> the year but            
>>>>>>
>>>>may not        
>>>>
>>>>>>go back down during the year. At the start of the next year you            
>>>>>>
>>>>may        
>>>>
>>>>>>drop back one class at your option, stay where you are or go up            
>>>>>>
>>>>a class.        
>>>>
>>>>>>This is simple enough that your fellow competitiors will know            
>>>>>>
>>>>if you        
>>>>
>>>>>>are following the rules. It will also be up to your fellow  competitiors to insure that you are not sandbagging.  I also feel strongly that sandbagging in Masters should not be  allowed. If you disregard Sportsman, then
>>>>>> half of the classes            
>>>>>>
>>>>allow        
>>>>
>>>>>>parking. Obviously, F3A has to be a parking lot but I see no            
>>>>>>
>>>>reason        
>>>>
>>>>>>to allow this behavior in Masters. As a competant advanced            
>>>>>>
>>>>pilot of        
>>>>
>>>>>>somewhat advanced years, I have very little interest in moving            
>>>>>>
>>>>to        
>>>>
>>>>>>Masters in order to spend the rest of my pattern years trying            
>>>>>>
>>>>to        
>>>>
>>>>>>break 900 against the
>>>>>> parkers.  I fail to see the logic in having two destination classes.            
>>>>>>
>>>>Shouldn't        
>>>>
>>>>>>we all aspire to progress to FAI? The current Masters schedule            
>>>>>>
>>>>is        
>>>>
>>>>>>designed as a stepping stone to Masters. Let's use it that way.    John Gayer  NSRCA 632      BUDDYonRC at aol.com wrote:              
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There was a proposal on the last rules cycle that would allow              
>>>>>>>
>>>>a        
>>>>
>>>>>>>person to move up and test his ability then move back if he             
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>had not        
>>>>
>>>>>>>attained the skills required for the higher class.  I              
>>>>>>>
>>>>personally        
>>>>
>>>>>>>think it is a good idea and I also see no need for the point              
>>>>>>>
>>>>system        
>>>>
>>>>>>>like someone said if someone abuses the privilege we can              
>>>>>>>
>>>>solicit        
>>>>
>>>>>>>Earl and four other guys his size to take him behind the barn             
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>and        
>>>>
>>>>>>>splain to him why he will be moving up. I believe peer              
>>>>>>>
>>>>pressure is        
>>>>
>>>>>>>all the control we need.  I think this is worth a try.  For those who have the ability and desire to achieve a spot at              
>>>>>>>
>>>>the        
>>>>
>>>>>>>top I don't see that we have a problem.  Buddy        ---------------------------------------------------------------              
>>>>>>>
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