[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?

John Gayer jgghome at comcast.net
Wed Aug 15 13:38:49 AKDT 2007 

Why does this apply to every class except Masters??
Aren't there better flyers available to learn from in FAI?  :)
John

Ken Thompson wrote:

>Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!!
>
>You will only get better if you do one of two things,
>
>1.  Fly against people that are better than you, obviously paying attention 
>to their flights.
>
>2.  Have a pilot that is better than you willing to coach you.
>
>I've been blessed with having both...any contest I go to in D6 will have 
>pilots that are better
>than I am, and I have Archie as a coach to help me through the little 
>things.
>
>BTW:  I fully expect to be flying Masters in 6 or 7 years.  That will put me 
>at 54 or 55 years old when I make the move.
>
>Personally I have no desire to go to contests and come in 1st or 2nd on a 
>regular basis, AND stay in that
>class...it simply won't make me a better pilot.  My goal is to get better 
>every year, with hard work and patience,
>it will happen.
>
>Ken
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <rcpattern at stx.rr.com>
>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?
>
>
>  
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>>I take exception to this.  FAI and Masters are not related.  I have
>>been flying masters several years, finishing as high as second this
>>year at the NATS.  Yes, I'm coming back next year in Masters.  I have
>>a goal of winning the nats before I move up.  I can be realistic...at
>>some point with enough practice I might be able to crack the finals in
>>FAI at the NATS, but I'm smart enough to know that realistically
>>winning FAI isnt going to happen.  I would also argue that the guys
>>that have been flying masters for years, just raise the bar.  I know
>>in different areas I've flown around the country, these are the guys
>>that make guys fly better.  Show up in District 6 sometime, and fly
>>Masters...you'll definitely get better.  6 of the top 10 at the NATS
>>were D6.  The means, guy that finished in the top 10 at the NATS in
>>what is probably top to bottom the most competitive class have trouble
>>getting wood at a local contest.  I can promise you though, the guys
>>that fly here have greatly
>>improved their flying than they would have in other parts of the
>>country.  Glen has set the bar here for a while, and I know the other
>>guys are pushing to catch him, and if you look now at local contest
>>scores, it is getting closer.  At any given time down here in D6, I'd
>>say 6 or 7 guys can take a round in masters.  Now that makes it fun. I
>>know when I was flying in D4 last year.  Every contest I went to, was
>>Verne K, and Steve Miller....I knew I'd better put up great flights
>>every flight and this makes you a better pilot.  I think you should
>>try moving up...take a year of the low 900's, and then see where you
>>are the following year.  I bet you start moving up and before you know
>>it you would be right there in the mix.  This is a competitive
>>activity and the only way you improve is flying against people who are
>>better than you.
>>
>>Arch
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net>
>>Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:41 pm
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?
>>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Ron,
>>>I take exception to those rules. There should be only one
>>>destination
>>>class. Why shouldn't there be a mandatory move from Masters to
>>>F3A? They
>>>are just two patterns with a natural progression as there is
>>>between
>>>Advanced and Masters.
>>>Parking and sandbagging is a mental state, not a rules violation.
>>>john
>>>
>>>Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>The Master class is the top AMA class and there is no mandatory
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>move
>>>      
>>>
>>>>from the Master class to F3A, so how can there be "parkers" or
>>>>"sandbaggers"?
>>>>
>>>>Ron Van Putte
>>>>
>>>>On Aug 15, 2007, at 2:10 PM, John Gayer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>how about changing the AMA advancemant rule and keep it very
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>simple?>> Your first contest of the year will determine your class
>>>for the
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>year. You may go up one class at any time during the year but
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>may not
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>go back down during the year. At the start of the next year you
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>may
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>drop back one class at your option, stay where you are or go up
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>a class.
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>This is simple enough that your fellow competitiors will know
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>if you
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>are following the rules. It will also be up to your fellow
>>>>>competitiors to insure that you are not sandbagging.
>>>>>I also feel strongly that sandbagging in Masters should not be
>>>>>allowed. If you disregard Sportsman, then half of the classes
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>allow
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>parking. Obviously, F3A has to be a parking lot but I see no
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>reason
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>to allow this behavior in Masters. As a competant advanced
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>pilot of
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>somewhat advanced years, I have very little interest in moving
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>to
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>Masters in order to spend the rest of my pattern years trying
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>to
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>break 900 against the parkers.
>>>>>I fail to see the logic in having two destination classes.
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>Shouldn't
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>we all aspire to progress to FAI? The current Masters schedule
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>is
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>designed as a stepping stone to Masters. Let's use it that way.
>>>>>
>>>>>John Gayer
>>>>>NSRCA 632
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>BUDDYonRC at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>There was a proposal on the last rules cycle that would allow
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>a
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>person to move up and test his ability then move back if he
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>had not
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>attained the skills required for the higher class.  I
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>personally
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>think it is a good idea and I also see no need for the point
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>system
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>like someone said if someone abuses the privilege we can
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>solicit
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>Earl and four other guys his size to take him behind the barn
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>and
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>splain to him why he will be moving up. I believe peer
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>pressure is
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>all the control we need.
>>>>>>I think this is worth a try.
>>>>>>For those who have the ability and desire to achieve a spot at
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>the
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>top I don't see that we have a problem.
>>>>>>Buddy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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