[NSRCA-discussion] Fact............

[Jerry Stebbins]

Gene, the data is in the archives for past years. Since this is a District 
function the scores are kept/documented only for those contests that are 
applicable under our rules. Not all out-of District contests are allowed for 
points toward the DC.
I understand your point, but please recognize that each District is 
responsible for their DC, and how they tab the data. So there is no need for 
it to be "Universal".
It would be nice to have a collection point to provide a data source/basis 
for discussions and rationale on  how to improve the "move up" criteria.
Maybe we can get a sugar daddy to fund and get a good system defined and 
software set up. Might provide the kind of data like  Tom says they use.
I do think there is room for allowing a person in a lower class to test the 
water to see how he stacks up, with out a penalty for going back for 
whatever reason. Maybe a different point earning criteria, and associated 
higher limits would allow that.
 We sorta have something like that when some "Sportsman pilots" fly at the 
NATS.
Oh well,  another day, another 10 cents.
Jerry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Maurice" <gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fact............


> George,
>
> I do believe that the AMA points represented in the spread sheet are for 
> the
> current year only. For this to be accurate you would need to know the 
> prior
> 4 years data for every competitor.
>
> Jerry,
>
> Same question; does your data go back 4 years and does it include all
> contests a competitor may have attended, i.e. out of district, NATS, etc.?
>
> The converse is that "a particular does not make it universal". I still
> contend that for any statistically based system to work there must be a
> central point that can collect and analyze the data with assurance that it
> is receiving all of the required input. Any gap in the data collection 
> makes
> the statistics unreliable. GI-GO
>
> As has been stated by many, the point system has been made moot because 
> the
> vast majority move up BEFORE they point out.
>
> The POINT I was trying to make about the POINT system is that it's
> POINTless.
>
> Gene Maurice
> gene.mauirce at sgmservice.com
> Plano, Texas
> AMA 3408 NSRCA 877
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> glmiller3 at suddenlink.net
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:38 PM
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> Cc: Jerry Stebbins
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fact............
>
> Gene,
>
> If you check the District 6 website and look at the District championship
> standings, the spreadsheet includes District Point and AMA point totals 
> for
> all participants.
>
> George
>
> ---- Jerry Stebbins <JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Gene, I respectfully disagree. We keep a running count from all contests
> in
>> our District, and anyone can check and see where they are. Old rule" you
>> cannot make a universal out of a particular"
>> Jerry
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gene Maurice" <gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:56 PM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fact............
>>
>>
>> > No one collects, maintains, manages, administers, accumulates, records,
>> > summarizes, folds, spindles, or mutilates points! PERIOD! The rule, as
>> > stated in the AMA Rulebook, is not only unenforced, it's
> unenforceable!!!
>> >
>> > At the end of a contest CD's send data to the AMA. These forms include
>> > data
>> > about the contestants including the results of the contest. As of 
>> > today,
>
>> > the
>> > AMA does nothing to accumulate that data, per Lisa Johnson,
> Administrative
>> > Assistant in the AMA Competition Department. No one in the world can
> tell
>> > you how many points you have.
>> >
>> > The whole system, as it stands today, is an honor system. It is the
>> > competitor's sole responsibility to know how many points he has.
>> >
>> > This in itself seems to be a strong argument for abolishing the rule.
>> >
>> > BTW, IMHO, any other scenario that utilizes the accumulation of
> statistics
>> > to determine advancement is equally unenforceable.
>> >
>> > Just a thought........................
>> >
>> > Gene Maurice
>> > gene.mauirce at sgmservice.com
>> > Plano, Texas
>> > AMA 3408 NSRCA 877
>> >
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