[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up

[Lance Van Nostrand]

Points are accumulated in our rules regardless of NSRCA membership.  Only points defined in the rule book we run contests by (the AMA rules) are currently used in calculations.  Another example, District champs are calculated by local district rules and do not affect advancement at all.  This is a red herring.
--Lance
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fred Huber 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up


  Actually... we need to include non-NSRCA Pattern flyers in the recordskeeping if there is going to be a points system forcing moving up.

  No recordkeeping...then the system is meaningless.

  Recordkeeping only for NSRCA members = members end up at a disadvantage to the sandbaggers who aren't members.

  NSRCA is the Special Interest Group REPREASENTING Pattern to the AMA... but membership is not required to comnpete in Pattern.  

  You can petition the AMA to require membership to compete in Pattern (lead balloon)  
  or 
  you can just deal with the paperwork involved in handling the point system for non-paying Pattern flyers... 
  or 
  you can just drop the point system totally.

  Right now... there are 2 reasons for people to join NSRCA:  Support the SIG.... or... attempt to get the District champ awards.

  The old 80%/20% rule applies... 20% of the active members do all the work so that the other 80% can enjoy the hobby.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: twtaylor 
    To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:18 AM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up


    Lance one minor point that would kill the District Champion idea, Not all pattern fliers are NSRCA members. We'd have to include non-members in the point chase and that's not fair.

     


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    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lance Van Nostrand
    Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:59 AM
    To: NSRCA Mailing List
    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up

     

    http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/333.pdf

     

    Here's the rules proposal form.  If we can get one or three people to fill it in and post it for review here maybe this discussion will result in something.

     

    Here's a summary of what I think I've read (beware of severe summarizing):

    Advancement rules based on hard numbers (like 100 points) are wrong because some people go to more contests or some districts have more pilots.  A system based on percentages would be better.  We've heard a comparison to a national average (need an implementable procedure to accurately compute this), force up of the district champs, and accumulating the raw scores for the year into averages that can be compared.

     

    We've also heard of simply tracking and publishing points and letting heckling take care of the rest (really need a 3 or 4 year window on this to allow one to level off before masters).  Note: this was the way it was 4 years ago, but that was before every district could post points on their website.  It didn't work then.

     

    Several recommendations to increase the points above 100, but this is really just an adjustment for the size of the district so if this can be modified into a way to calculate an advancement number by district, maybe it could work.

     

    --Lance



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