[NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up. Where's thebeef?

Doug Cronkhite seefo at san.rr.com
Thu Sep 28 06:59:36 AKDT 2006 

At the same time Jason.. it is your choice to attend all those events. 

The WORST thing I'd like to see though, is we field a team that is not our
best simply because someone missed a contest requirement.

-Doug




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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman
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thebeef?

Let me remind you that in the past, pilots were known to hold 2, 1 day
contests to meet the requirements. You really think it wouldn't happen
again?

How many of you travel to flying events at least every other weekend from
March til October?

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bob Kane
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:29 AM
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thebeef?


Of course there is another side to the story. I do
know there are a lot more events pulling on your time.
Andrew usually has several requests queued up every
weekend throughout the summer.

But, if a two or three contest requirement were added,
we might either see more of the top fliers at local
contests or different representation at the Worlds.


--- JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> Well, lets see what's in the pot now compared to
> years ago... Nats, Don Lowe
> Masters, Tucson Shootout, XFC, Joe-Nall, Top Gun,
> Toledo and WRAM Shows,
> ETOC/X-Games at Toledo, SEFF, NEAT, AZ Flight
> Festival and IMAC contests.
> Years ago, there was the Nats/Masters (team trials)
> and TOC, and of course
> the local contests. When I was in NJ, it was nice
> because contests were
> with-in 5 hours of home. Here in FL, I will travel 7
> hours to get to
> Pensacola and Atlanta to go to contests. Out in AZ,
> there was the Phoenix
> contest and LV contest, and everything else was 8+
> hours away from Tucson.
> It's not that I didn't want to go to the contests,
> it's that they were
> further than I wanted to drive. That's why I've been
> to so many contests
> since I've been back here. I even tried to pull
> double duty during Top Gun
> and drive almost 2 hours to make the contest before
> and after my demo's. The
> demo's went well, but I finished last at the contest
> cause we flew 5 rounds
> and I only made 3. Oh well, I still enjoyed it.
>
> The problem, as I see it, is that today the top
> pilots have a schedule that
> makes this a job. I personally am home for 4 weeks
> the first 5 months of the
> year. I am all for the 3 contests to qualify for the
> team trials, but again,
> if I were in AZ still, I might not be thinking the
> same. Also, take a look
> at how many pilots you consider "top pilots" today
> as to how many you did
> back then. I think the list is longer years ago than
> it is today. I remember
> trying to climb the ranks in FAI in the early 90's
> and I started from the
> 20's. The overall participation in pattern is down,
> not just by the top
> guys.
>
> As for doing away with sponsorship stickers on
> planes... that's a good one.
> ;)
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On
> Behalf Of mike mueller
>   Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:39 AM
>   To: NSRCA Mailing List
>   Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to
> stir things up. Where's
> thebeef?
>
>
>    Note I didn't say that all the top flyers don't
> participate on a local
> level. Dave Lockhart is always there, along with
> guys like Troy Newman and
> since he's been in Fla. Jason has been seen. There
> may be more but for the
> most part the participation is lacking.
>    As far as sponsorships it's just a point of
> discussion. I know that it
> can't be changed but that doesn't mean I don't think
> that its part of the
> problem. Mike
>
>   Dave Michael <davidmichael1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>     Anything that will get the marquee flyers out
> and competing/mixing it up
> with "the rest of us" is beneficial for promoting
> the hobby and generating
> interest but I'm not sure you can say that all of
> these flyers aren't out
> there participating locally.    They may also wish
> that they could fly more
> local contests but their personal and professional
> obligations may just be
> getting in the way of going to contests just like
> everyone else struggles
> with.  So- having said that, overall, I would
> support something that would
> incent the top flyers from getting out to the local
> contests.
>
>     The sponsorship decals idea- not allowing
> stickers or blatent
> advertising- I don't agree with.  I personally don't
> see any real benefit in
> getting rid of them or harm in having them- why do
> you feel this way?  It's
> a byproduct of capitalism- advertise your product,
> market to your potential
> customer.  If a flyer is fortunate enough to get a
> sponsorship I assume they
> earned it and I wouldn't want to dis-incent anyone
> from working hard to get
> something special.  In addition- there's no way you
> could enforce it.
>
>     Dave Michael
>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>       From: mike mueller
>       To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>       Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:03 AM
>       Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to
> stir things up. Where's
> the beef?
>
>
>        I have an observation that I've made that
> disturbes me. I don't think
> that we are getting enough of the top notch or team
> worthy flyers
> participating on a local level.
>        I think that in the future the team trials
> need to be revamped so
> that a flyer wanting to make the team would be
> required to fly in at least 3
> to 5 local contests per year.
>        Here's why I think this is important. We need
> the top names in our
> sport to be part of the sport from a leadership
> standpoint. Imagine a QQ
> showing up to fly against Andrew at a local contest.
> It would be much more
> exciting to watch and it would therefore promote
> more interest. If we
> continue on the path we are going interest in
> pattern will continue to
> slide.
>        In the 70's when the team selection was known
> as the Masters you had
> to fly your way into the contest by accumulating
> points on the local level.
> It was exciting. Were totally missing the boat with
> our present system.
>        So here's the deal. Support the real pattern
> flyers who make the
> effort to support us and we will all be better off.
> Oh and for what it's
> worth I think we would be better off all around if
> we didn't allow any
> stickers or blatant advertising of any products in
> our sport. Let's get back
> to the flyers who do it on there own without all the
> sponsorships.
>        All this is just what I've seen in the last 6
> years of flying after a
> 15 year absence for the hobby.  TIA for letting me
> vent and as my budddy
> Bobby Satalino would say "Have a nice day"!
> Mike Mueller
>
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