[NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up. Where's thebeef?

Thu Sep 28 06:28:58 AKDT 2006

Of course there is another side to the story. I do
know there are a lot more events pulling on your time.
Andrew usually has several requests queued up every
weekend throughout the summer.

But, if a two or three contest requirement were added,
we might either see more of the top fliers at local
contests or different representation at the Worlds.

--- JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> Well, lets see what's in the pot now compared to
> years ago... Nats, Don Lowe
> Masters, Tucson Shootout, XFC, Joe-Nall, Top Gun,
> Toledo and WRAM Shows,
> ETOC/X-Games at Toledo, SEFF, NEAT, AZ Flight
> Festival and IMAC contests.
> Years ago, there was the Nats/Masters (team trials)
> and TOC, and of course
> the local contests. When I was in NJ, it was nice
> because contests were
> with-in 5 hours of home. Here in FL, I will travel 7
> hours to get to
> Pensacola and Atlanta to go to contests. Out in AZ,
> there was the Phoenix
> contest and LV contest, and everything else was 8+
> hours away from Tucson.
> It's not that I didn't want to go to the contests,
> it's that they were
> further than I wanted to drive. That's why I've been
> to so many contests
> since I've been back here. I even tried to pull
> double duty during Top Gun
> and drive almost 2 hours to make the contest before
> and after my demo's. The
> demo's went well, but I finished last at the contest
> cause we flew 5 rounds
> and I only made 3. Oh well, I still enjoyed it.
> 
> The problem, as I see it, is that today the top
> pilots have a schedule that
> makes this a job. I personally am home for 4 weeks
> the first 5 months of the
> year. I am all for the 3 contests to qualify for the
> team trials, but again,
> if I were in AZ still, I might not be thinking the
> same. Also, take a look
> at how many pilots you consider "top pilots" today
> as to how many you did
> back then. I think the list is longer years ago than
> it is today. I remember
> trying to climb the ranks in FAI in the early 90's
> and I started from the
> 20's. The overall participation in pattern is down,
> not just by the top
> guys.
> 
> As for doing away with sponsorship stickers on
> planes... that's a good one.
> ;)
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On
> Behalf Of mike mueller
>   Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:39 AM
>   To: NSRCA Mailing List
>   Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to
> stir things up. Where's
> thebeef?
> 
> 
>    Note I didn't say that all the top flyers don't
> participate on a local
> level. Dave Lockhart is always there, along with
> guys like Troy Newman and
> since he's been in Fla. Jason has been seen. There
> may be more but for the
> most part the participation is lacking.
>    As far as sponsorships it's just a point of
> discussion. I know that it
> can't be changed but that doesn't mean I don't think
> that its part of the
> problem. Mike
> 
>   Dave Michael <davidmichael1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>     Anything that will get the marquee flyers out
> and competing/mixing it up
> with "the rest of us" is beneficial for promoting
> the hobby and generating
> interest but I'm not sure you can say that all of
> these flyers aren't out
> there participating locally.    They may also wish
> that they could fly more
> local contests but their personal and professional
> obligations may just be
> getting in the way of going to contests just like
> everyone else struggles
> with.  So- having said that, overall, I would
> support something that would
> incent the top flyers from getting out to the local
> contests.
> 
>     The sponsorship decals idea- not allowing
> stickers or blatent
> advertising- I don't agree with.  I personally don't
> see any real benefit in
> getting rid of them or harm in having them- why do
> you feel this way?  It's
> a byproduct of capitalism- advertise your product,
> market to your potential
> customer.  If a flyer is fortunate enough to get a
> sponsorship I assume they
> earned it and I wouldn't want to dis-incent anyone
> from working hard to get
> something special.  In addition- there's no way you
> could enforce it.
> 
>     Dave Michael
> 
> 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>       From: mike mueller
>       To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>       Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:03 AM
>       Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to
> stir things up. Where's
> the beef?
> 
> 
>        I have an observation that I've made that
> disturbes me. I don't think
> that we are getting enough of the top notch or team
> worthy flyers
> participating on a local level.
>        I think that in the future the team trials
> need to be revamped so
> that a flyer wanting to make the team would be
> required to fly in at least 3
> to 5 local contests per year.
>        Here's why I think this is important. We need
> the top names in our
> sport to be part of the sport from a leadership
> standpoint. Imagine a QQ
> showing up to fly against Andrew at a local contest.
> It would be much more
> exciting to watch and it would therefore promote
> more interest. If we
> continue on the path we are going interest in
> pattern will continue to
> slide.
>        In the 70's when the team selection was known
> as the Masters you had
> to fly your way into the contest by accumulating
> points on the local level.
> It was exciting. Were totally missing the boat with
> our present system.
>        So here's the deal. Support the real pattern
> flyers who make the
> effort to support us and we will all be better off.
> Oh and for what it's
> worth I think we would be better off all around if
> we didn't allow any
> stickers or blatant advertising of any products in
> our sport. Let's get back
> to the flyers who do it on there own without all the
> sponsorships.
>        All this is just what I've seen in the last 6
> years of flying after a
> 15 year absence for the hobby.  TIA for letting me
> vent and as my budddy
> Bobby Satalino would say "Have a nice day"!       
> Mike Mueller
> 
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