[NSRCA-discussion] RX choices

george w. kennie geobet at gis.net
Fri Sep 15 18:14:51 AKDT 2006


Well, you caught me there Bill. You're right, she was a grade ahead of me in 
school, but BOY, did we have chemistry!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Glaze" <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices


> Gee whiz, Georgie, I would have thought you were too old for her!  Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "george w. kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices
>
>
>>
>> Boy, I can't wait for that one !!!!!!!  I used to date Hedi and she never
>> mentioned anything about DSS to me. I guess it's always been on the
>> hush-hush.
>> G.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dean Pappas" <d.pappas at kodeos.com>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices
>>
>>
>>> It's even wierder than that, and I am just too busy right now.
>>> Later, I promise,
>>> Dean
>>>
>>> Dean Pappas
>>> Sr. Design Engineer
>>> Kodeos Communications
>>> 111 Corporate Blvd.
>>> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
>>> (908) 222-7817 phone
>>> (908) 222-2392 fax
>>> d.pappas at kodeos.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
>>> dwaynenancy
>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:29 AM
>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, she had a patent on the method.  It seems she got the idea while
>>> playing a piano.  Dwayne
>>>
>>> Dean Pappas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Even the latest Spektrum DSS system is just narrow-band FM!
>>>> How that works is an even better story, especially because it involves
>>>> Hedi Lamarr!
>>>> later,
>>>> Dean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dean Pappas
>>>> Sr. Design Engineer
>>>> Kodeos Communications
>>>> 111 Corporate Blvd.
>>>> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
>>>> (908) 222-7817 phone
>>>> (908) 222-2392 fax
>>>> d.pappas at kodeos.com
>>>>
>>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>>     *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>     [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of
>>>>     *Bob Richards
>>>>     *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2006 11:17 AM
>>>>     *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
>>>>     *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices
>>>>
>>>>     John,
>>>>
>>>>     I'm not surprised the manufacturers keep the PCM information (like
>>>>     packet specification, operating parameters, etc) private.  For
>>>>     one, that information could be considered a trade secret and they
>>>>     would not want competitors to know about it. On the other hand,
>>>>     they might be worried that a competitor would examine the data and
>>>>     discover some flaw or limitation in the technology and then
>>>>     publicly announce this fact. Still, I'm surprised no one has
>>>>     reverse engineered the PCM data stream from either JR or Futaba
>>>>     (maybe someone has, I just don't know).
>>>>
>>>>     I'll take some issue with what you have said regarding the
>>>>     technology not changing since the '50s. I believe the '50s saw
>>>>     super-regen systems? After that, there was (is) super-heterodyne
>>>>     systems. Then, dual conversion and narrow band systems, as well as
>>>>     FM instead of AM.  PCM was added (really nothing to do with the
>>>>     RF, just a data link added to the existing RF systems). I think
>>>>     the systems today are more reliable than in the 70s when I first
>>>>     started, and they are having to do this in a much more polluted RF
>>>>     environment.
>>>>
>>>>     Still, I agree with you that, as a group (modelers in general), we
>>>>     have not done a good job demanding more from the manufacturers.
>>>>     For most, cost seems to be the big issue, but we don't look at
>>>>     cost in terms of the big picture, like "a cheap receiver will cost
>>>>     you a lot AFTER you buy it".  Those of us that are competitors do
>>>>     a better job demanding more, IMHO.
>>>>
>>>>     Bob R.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     */John Ferrell <johnferrell at earthlink.net>/* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Although I fly Futaba I have a lot of respect for the JR
>>>> receiver
>>>>         technology. It is the only thing new in receiver design other
>>>>         than the
>>>>         Futaba synthesized receiver since the early 1950's. The
>>>>         technology made the
>>>>         change to solid state but that was not taking advantage of any
>>>>         new design.
>>>>
>>>>         I can assure you that Ham radio receivers have made steady
>>>>         progress during
>>>>         that time even as prices came down.
>>>>
>>>>         The bigger problem is that we have no idea about the real
>>>>         specs on these
>>>>         receivers. The maintenance information is held very close and
>>>>         parts even
>>>>         closer. We have no idea how long it takes to cycle in and out
>>>>         of fail safe
>>>>         let alone any control over it. In fact we have no real
>>>>         indicator of failure
>>>>         thresholds. George Steiner has done a lot of work in this area
>>>>         such as his
>>>>         "missing frames" detector but his work has been hampered by
>>>>         lack of
>>>>         published specs by the manufactures with PCM.
>>>>
>>>>         I had hopes of improvements when HiTec swallowed Multiplex but
>>>>         it seems to
>>>>         me they have only used the acquisition to leverage their
>>>>         efforts to become
>>>>         another Futaba/JR/Airtronix.
>>>>
>>>>         We have not been demanding customers and we have put way too
>>>>         much faith in
>>>>         letting the suppliers make decisions for us!
>>>>         John Ferrell W8CCW
>>>>         "My Competition is not my enemy"
>>>>         http://DixieNC.US
>>>>
>>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>>         From: "Ed Alt"
>>>>         To:
>>>>         Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:02 PM
>>>>         Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         >
>>>>         > Yep, I've been flying JR single conversion ABC&W sine the
>>>>         late 90's in
>>>>         > quite
>>>>         > a number of different locations around the country and have
>>>>         never, not
>>>>         > once
>>>>         > had the slightest indication of a problem. Lot's of time
>>>>         with ignition
>>>>         > systems too. Must be some other cheesy single conversion
>>>>         receiver?
>>>>         >
>>>>         > Ed
>>>>         >
>>>>
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