[NSRCA-discussion] RX choices

george w. kennie geobet at gis.net
Fri Sep 15 10:26:37 AKDT 2006


Boy, I can't wait for that one !!!!!!!  I used to date Hedi and she never 
mentioned anything about DSS to me. I guess it's always been on the 
hush-hush.
G.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean Pappas" <d.pappas at kodeos.com>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices


> It's even wierder than that, and I am just too busy right now.
> Later, I promise,
> Dean
>
> Dean Pappas
> Sr. Design Engineer
> Kodeos Communications
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> d.pappas at kodeos.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
> dwaynenancy
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:29 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices
>
>
> Yep, she had a patent on the method.  It seems she got the idea while
> playing a piano.  Dwayne
>
> Dean Pappas wrote:
>
>> Even the latest Spektrum DSS system is just narrow-band FM!
>> How that works is an even better story, especially because it involves
>> Hedi Lamarr!
>> later,
>> Dean
>>
>>
>> Dean Pappas
>> Sr. Design Engineer
>> Kodeos Communications
>> 111 Corporate Blvd.
>> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
>> (908) 222-7817 phone
>> (908) 222-2392 fax
>> d.pappas at kodeos.com
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>     [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of
>>     *Bob Richards
>>     *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2006 11:17 AM
>>     *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
>>     *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices
>>
>>     John,
>>
>>     I'm not surprised the manufacturers keep the PCM information (like
>>     packet specification, operating parameters, etc) private.  For
>>     one, that information could be considered a trade secret and they
>>     would not want competitors to know about it. On the other hand,
>>     they might be worried that a competitor would examine the data and
>>     discover some flaw or limitation in the technology and then
>>     publicly announce this fact. Still, I'm surprised no one has
>>     reverse engineered the PCM data stream from either JR or Futaba
>>     (maybe someone has, I just don't know).
>>
>>     I'll take some issue with what you have said regarding the
>>     technology not changing since the '50s. I believe the '50s saw
>>     super-regen systems? After that, there was (is) super-heterodyne
>>     systems. Then, dual conversion and narrow band systems, as well as
>>     FM instead of AM.  PCM was added (really nothing to do with the
>>     RF, just a data link added to the existing RF systems). I think
>>     the systems today are more reliable than in the 70s when I first
>>     started, and they are having to do this in a much more polluted RF
>>     environment.
>>
>>     Still, I agree with you that, as a group (modelers in general), we
>>     have not done a good job demanding more from the manufacturers.
>>     For most, cost seems to be the big issue, but we don't look at
>>     cost in terms of the big picture, like "a cheap receiver will cost
>>     you a lot AFTER you buy it".  Those of us that are competitors do
>>     a better job demanding more, IMHO.
>>
>>     Bob R.
>>
>>
>>     */John Ferrell <johnferrell at earthlink.net>/* wrote:
>>
>>         Although I fly Futaba I have a lot of respect for the JR receiver
>>         technology. It is the only thing new in receiver design other
>>         than the
>>         Futaba synthesized receiver since the early 1950's. The
>>         technology made the
>>         change to solid state but that was not taking advantage of any
>>         new design.
>>
>>         I can assure you that Ham radio receivers have made steady
>>         progress during
>>         that time even as prices came down.
>>
>>         The bigger problem is that we have no idea about the real
>>         specs on these
>>         receivers. The maintenance information is held very close and
>>         parts even
>>         closer. We have no idea how long it takes to cycle in and out
>>         of fail safe
>>         let alone any control over it. In fact we have no real
>>         indicator of failure
>>         thresholds. George Steiner has done a lot of work in this area
>>         such as his
>>         "missing frames" detector but his work has been hampered by
>>         lack of
>>         published specs by the manufactures with PCM.
>>
>>         I had hopes of improvements when HiTec swallowed Multiplex but
>>         it seems to
>>         me they have only used the acquisition to leverage their
>>         efforts to become
>>         another Futaba/JR/Airtronix.
>>
>>         We have not been demanding customers and we have put way too
>>         much faith in
>>         letting the suppliers make decisions for us!
>>         John Ferrell W8CCW
>>         "My Competition is not my enemy"
>>         http://DixieNC.US
>>
>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>         From: "Ed Alt"
>>         To:
>>         Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:02 PM
>>         Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices
>>
>>
>>         >
>>         > Yep, I've been flying JR single conversion ABC&W sine the
>>         late 90's in
>>         > quite
>>         > a number of different locations around the country and have
>>         never, not
>>         > once
>>         > had the slightest indication of a problem. Lot's of time
>>         with ignition
>>         > systems too. Must be some other cheesy single conversion
>>         receiver?
>>         >
>>         > Ed
>>         >
>>
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