[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65
Evan H. Dygert
evand at dygertconsulting.com
Mon Sep 11 16:51:46 AKDT 2006
Except for the Brushfire I don't know where to find the
kits you are interested in but similar kits are available
at the following place:
Places to look are http://www.eurekaaircraft.com/
(Eyeball, Troublemaker, Banshee) and
http://www.homeandhobbysolutions.com/ (Kwik Fli and
Taurus).
Also try Carolina Custom Aircraft. You can reach them at:
carolinaaircraft at aol.com 336-364-3120
I know from personal experience they have good service
because I am not even a customer and they sent me a build
manual (printed) for free for one of their kits that
resembled a kit I have. They will send you a catalog in
Word format. Here are the kits available in the Dec. 2005
catalog. Below is quoted directly from their catalog.
.60-.90 two stroke or .91 4 stroke
T2A MK I $235.00
T2A MK II 235.00
T2A MK III 235.00
Tanglefoot 235.00
New Orleanian 235.00
A-6 Intruder 235.00
Equalizer 235.00
Patricia 245.00
Brushfire 245.00
.90 Two stroke or 1.20 four stroke
T2A MK IV 275.00
.40-.50 two stroke or .60 4 stroke
T2-.40 185.00
All Prices plus shipping
We have several kits in development at this time which
include Kazmirski’s Orion and Taurus, Jim Martin’s
Banshee, Goldberg’s Senior Falcon, and Norm Page’s Mach
One. As molds are built and prototypes are constructed
and tested these planes will be announced.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:54:39 -0800
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> 1. Re: .60 size Pre-turnaround kits (Stuart Chale)
> 2. Re: Trimming question. (Ed Miller)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:41:41 -0400
>From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] .60 size Pre-turnaround
>kits
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> Not a kit but I do have the RCM & E plans and fiberglass
>cowl and turtle
> deck for the Magic. (actually 2) I bought these prior
>to building the
> quality line fiberglass version.
>
> Stuart
>
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>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>Behalf Of JShulman
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:58 PM
> To: NSRCA
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] .60 size Pre-turnaround kits
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone out there might have a kit or 2
>of the following:
>
> MK Aurora
> MK Blue Angels
> MK Curare
> MK Magic
> MK Joker
> Saturn
> Tiporare
> Super-Fly/Star
> Checkmate (Helms)
> UFO
> Brushfire
> Compensator
>
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
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> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:54:21 -0400
>From: "Ed Miller" <edbon85 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Trimming question.
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> I have the same issue with the EMC I'm flying. At
>summers 90+ temperatures using a Futaba 9ZAP radio I have
>2% up elevator with right rudder and 4% up with left
>rudder for straight knife edge flight. I noticed when
>the temps cooled to the 70's lately I had to put 2 % down
>elevator trim in to fly straight and level at horizontal
>flight cruise rpm.. Because of that touch of down
>elevator trim in cool weather, I end up with a slight
>push to the belly in knife edge in both directions.
> Plane has the DEPS system installed. I think what is
>happening is the difference in growth between the
>fiberglass/wood fuse and carbon fiber pushrods is causing
>the slight elevator trim change during the temperature
>change which affects the knife edge flight. Or maybe the
>cooler denser air requires less AOA in the wing. I don't
>see how enabling the trim function in the rudder to
>elevator mix will fix this as the rudder is the master
>channel. Unless I misunderstand, only a rudder trim
>chang!
> e would effect the elevator movement in the mix. I'm
>open for suggestions...........
> TIA.....Ed M.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rex LESHER
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> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Trimming question.
>
>
> actually, I think I confused myself... I meant to
>say, all offset will be based from the current trim
>setting, not from the original setup position....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rex LESHER
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> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Trimming question.
>
>
> Just curious.... what radio are you using? Do you
>have mixes set up for roll coupling? If so, do you have
>the trims set to "active" in the mixes? If not, this
>could be the reason for the pitching. Without active
>trim in the mixes, all offset will be based from the
>original servo position in setup, not from the current
>flying position after the trim was moved.
>
> Rex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Koenig, Tom
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Trimming question.
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>
> All-Dean,
>
> I think you could be onto something there. I like
>to fly on the edge of nose heavy, and I could sympathize
>with Colin. My Synergy exhibits almost the same
>tendencies. It is not a heavy plane at 4.7 kg, but the CG
>is forward. Hmmmmmmm-you boys have me thinking again. I
>notice it biggest when travelling as every field I go to
>is at lower altitude. The biggest and costliest time was
>during the Trans Tasman comp in New Zealand-it was like
>flying through soup!
>
> I have always assumed it was an air density thing.
>I have experienced exactly what Colin describes.
>
> Tom
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> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On
>Behalf Of Dean Pappas
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 September 2006 3:36 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Trimming question.
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>
> Hi Colin,
> By any chance, is your plane relatively heavy, have
>a particularly high wing loading, propped to fly very
>slowly, or set up relatively nose-heavy?
> The reason I ask is that back in the late eighties,
>I clipped the wings of one of my early Turnaround designs
>in order to fly faster.
> This was back when we were in the middle of a wild
>overcorrection from flying slow and small in this country
>to flying fast, fast, fast! Then things started to settle
>down.
> Actually, I clipped it twice, once from 68" span to
>64" and then to 60. I should have left the plane at 64"
>span. When I made the second clip, the plane developed
> almost the same symptom you described. It pulled to
>the canopy in the vertical down line when the elevator
>was trimmed for a hot day.
> It also looked like it flew droopy-drawered (tail
>low) on hot days. I moved the CG back until the elevators
>looked like they were in exactly the same spot, and lived
>with what little was left.
> There was no suitable electronic fix back then,
>with either a Futaba PCM 512 or a JR PCM9.
> My hypothesis is that the sensitivity to air
>density happens when the plane requires lots of "up" trim
>to fly. What do the elevators look like when trimmed on a
>hot day?
>
> later,
> Dean Pappas
> Sr. Design Engineer
> Kodeos Communications
> 111 Corporate Blvd.
> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
> (908) 222-7817 phone
> (908) 222-2392 fax
> d.pappas at kodeos.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On
>Behalf Of colin chariandy
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:53 AM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Trimming
>question.
>
>
> No, I'm using the MK bellcrank.
>
> If the problem was only related to the length of
>the pushrods, then when I re-trim the knife edge
>performance should return to normal. Thats not the case.
>The plane pushes to the bottom in the cold and is dead
>straight on hot days.
>
> Colin.
>
> Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at comcast.net>
>wrote:
> My guess is you have the deps system. carbon
>fiber does not have as much shrinkage as the rest of your
>plane.
> --Lance
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: colin chariandy
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:09 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Trimming
>question.
>
>
> I noticed recently that I need to add a bit
>of down trim as the air temperature drops....maybe as
>much as 4 beebs going from 30+ days to 15C. That upsets
>the knife edge trim on the aircraft.
>
> Is that normal, or do I have something set a
>bit marginally, like CG or wing incidence?
>
> Do you guys typically have a "cold weather
>set-up" ?
>
> Colin.
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