[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question -

[White, Chris]

I thought the rule as shown by Glen was clear. I guess it's back to the old question of who is in the judges chair and whether they are going to expect to see the stall turns top & belly. I think I'd like to see some confirmation now....and maybe a quick review at the pilot's meeting before each contest.  I would like to hear what Don Ramsey would say on this one.

Chris White


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Watson" <gwatson11 at houston.rr.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question


Below is the Figure M description from page 79-80 of the current AMA rule
book...Note the statement regarding rolls and stall turn direction are
pilot's option...I then found this statement "Edit page 79-80 Figure M with
¼ or ½ rolls" to include ¾ roll options" on the NSRCA page under:
http://nsrca.org/competition/judging/Patterns2007

Figure M with 1/4 or 1/2 Rolls: Model pulls up into one-quarter (1/4) loop
to a vertical track, hesitates then performs prescribed roll, hesitates then
executes a stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs
prescribed roll, hesitates then executes one-half (1/2) outside loop to
vertical track, hesitates, performs prescribed roll, hesitates, executes a
stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs prescribed roll,
hesitates then recovers with another one-quarter (1/4) loop to level flight.
Direction of rolls and stall turns are pilot's option. The length of the
vertical segments is not a judging criteria.

Downgrades:
1. Model not vertical at start and finish of rolls
and stall turns.
2. Stall turns not exactly 180 degrees.
3. Model does not execute prescribed rolls.
4. Rolls not centered in vertical lines.
5. Bottom of outside half loop not at same altitude
as entry and exit.

Regards,

Glen



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Budd
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question

Hi Jim,

Unless the maneuver has changed from 15 years ago all the rolls have
to be in the same direction, resulting in one stall turn being
canopy-facing you and the other being belly-facing you (your choice
as to which comes first).  It's a tough maneuver, especially when the
wind is blowing other than down the runway.

Jerry


>Bob
>  My memory crutch is,when flying from left to right, the 1st 2 roll
>directions are left-left and 2nd 2 roll directions are right-right.
>When flying from the right to left,the 1st 2 roll directions are
right-right
>and 2nd 2 roll directions are left-left.
>Like Arch said the center half  loop is inverted in both cases.
>Lotsa a upside down.
>
>Jim Ivey
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Archie Stafford" <rcpattern at stx.rr.com>
>To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question
>
>
>>  Bob,
>>
>>  It has to be inverted.  The direction of roll must be the same on every
>3/4
>>  roll therefore you end up inverted across the middle.
>>
>>  Arch
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
>>  Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:53 AM
>>  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question
>>
>>  OK, I'm finally try to fly this thing with a pencil . . . . . .    one
>>  question I have (so far) is the 1/2 loop between the two stall turns in
>the
>>  figure M: Does it matter if it is an inside or outside half loop?  The
>>  aresti diagram posted on Flying Giants shows it as an outside half loop
>with
>>  no option.  Thanks.
>>
>>  Bob Kane
>>  getterflash at yahoo.com
>>
>>
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