[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question - verticalsegments

Tue Oct 17 22:43:43 AKDT 2006

the 2 being different height definitely would lack grace

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From: "Keith Black" <tkeithb at comcast.net>
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verticalsegments


> Now that we're breaking this down, I'd like some clarification on the
> section of the rule below that states:
>
> "The length of the vertical segments is not a judging criteria."
>
> In the strictest translation of this sentence I would say that this means
> that the two stall turns do not need to be the same height, however, this
> seems inconsistent will all other centered maneuvers where two halves of 
> an
> object do have to match in size.
>
> A looser translation could be that the intention of this verbiage is to
> point out that a shorter 'M' should score as well as a taller 'M', but
> assumes that both sides should be the same height (which isn't stated
> anywhere).
>
> Unless otherwise clarified, I'd have to deduce that indeed the two stall
> turns don't have to be the same height.
>
> Keith Black
>
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> From: "Glen Watson" <gwatson11 at houston.rr.com>
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>
> Below is the Figure M description from page 79-80 of the current AMA rule
> book...Note the statement regarding rolls and stall turn direction are
> pilot's option...I then found this statement "Edit page 79-80 Figure M 
> with
> ¼ or ½ rolls" to include ¾ roll options" on the NSRCA page under:
> http://nsrca.org/competition/judging/Patterns2007
>
> Figure M with 1/4 or 1/2 Rolls: Model pulls up into one-quarter (1/4) loop
> to a vertical track, hesitates then performs prescribed roll, hesitates 
> then
> executes a stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs
> prescribed roll, hesitates then executes one-half (1/2) outside loop to
> vertical track, hesitates, performs prescribed roll, hesitates, executes a
> stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs prescribed roll,
> hesitates then recovers with another one-quarter (1/4) loop to level 
> flight.
> Direction of rolls and stall turns are pilot's option. The length of the
> vertical segments is not a judging criteria.
>
> Downgrades:
> 1. Model not vertical at start and finish of rolls
> and stall turns.
> 2. Stall turns not exactly 180 degrees.
> 3. Model does not execute prescribed rolls.
> 4. Rolls not centered in vertical lines.
> 5. Bottom of outside half loop not at same altitude
> as entry and exit.
>
> Regards,
>
> Glen
>
>
>
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Budd
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:20 AM
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>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Unless the maneuver has changed from 15 years ago all the rolls have
> to be in the same direction, resulting in one stall turn being
> canopy-facing you and the other being belly-facing you (your choice
> as to which comes first).  It's a tough maneuver, especially when the
> wind is blowing other than down the runway.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>>Bob
>>  My memory crutch is,when flying from left to right, the 1st 2 roll
>>directions are left-left and 2nd 2 roll directions are right-right.
>>When flying from the right to left,the 1st 2 roll directions are
> right-right
>>and 2nd 2 roll directions are left-left.
>>Like Arch said the center half  loop is inverted in both cases.
>>Lotsa a upside down.
>>
>>Jim Ivey
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Archie Stafford" <rcpattern at stx.rr.com>
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>>
>>
>>>  Bob,
>>>
>>>  It has to be inverted.  The direction of roll must be the same on every
>>3/4
>>>  roll therefore you end up inverted across the middle.
>>>
>>>  Arch
>>>
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>>>  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:53 AM
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>>>  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question
>>>
>>>  OK, I'm finally try to fly this thing with a pencil . . . . . .    one
>>>  question I have (so far) is the 1/2 loop between the two stall turns in
>>the
>>>  figure M: Does it matter if it is an inside or outside half loop?  The
>>>  aresti diagram posted on Flying Giants shows it as an outside half loop
>>with
>>>  no option.  Thanks.
>>>
>>>  Bob Kane
>>>  getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
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