[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question

[jivey61 at bellsouth.net]

Ed
 You have come the closest to solving this question of which way do we do
the figure M.  I have read the AMA rule that doesn't state either direction
for roll or stall and tried to understand the aresti diagram that shows
comparable roll directions on the vertical uplines. The only thing I can
deduce from all this discussion is the the entry is upright and exit is
upright and the half loop in the middle is inverted.    S&G will have to
take a backseat until we decide the real way we want this figure M done.We
need the technical first,then smooze with S&G later if you must.
IMHO it doesn't matter which way you roll or look at the plane as long as
entry is upright middle is inverted and exit is upright and 3/4 rolls are
done. Just tell me what combination is correct,which rule to fly by.
Don Ramsey are you in the house.

Jim Ivey
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Alt" <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question


> Aresti does show roll direction by which direction the curved arrow is
> pointed, so CW is a roll right, CCW is left.  When using these diagrams in
> IMAC, we were always told that if there is a conflict between what is
> written in English vs. the Aresti, the Aresti will win out, unless it is
> improperly drawn (illegal figure for example).  I'm not saying that this
> automatically means that the sequence as drawn should supercede the actual
> intent of how the figure is to be flown.  My suggestion is to sort of the
> real intent and then correct the diagarm and description verbage,
whichever
> may be necessary.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> >From: "Rick Wallace" <rickwallace45 at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question
> >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:18:42 -0400
> >
> >
> >
> >Jerry, Bob -
> >
> >this discussion may show one of the problems w/ Aresti notation - not
sure
> >since I'm an Aresti novice.
> >
> >The rule book description of the Figure M specifically says the roll
> >direction and stall turn direction don't matter... Aresti may not be
> >capable of showing those options // is Aresti just schematic rather than
> >definitive on roll / stall turn direction??
> >
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question
> >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:01:45 -0700 (PDT)
> > >Wow, this is more complicated than I anticipated. Do you have to roll
the
> >same way for each stall turn? Or can you reverse directions to show the
> >canopy during each stall?
> > >
> > >For example, flying left to right as shown on the aresti, pull 1/4
loop,
> >short line, roll 3/4 left (canopy toward flightline), short line, stall
> >toward the right, short line, roll 3/4 left, short line, push 1/2 outside
> >loop, short line, roll 3/4 right (canopy faces flight line), short line,
> >stall towerd the right, short line, 3/4 roll right, short line, pull 1/4
> >loop.
> > >
> > >Bob Kane
> > >getterflash at yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message ----
> > >From: "jivey61 at bellsouth.net" <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
> > >To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:45:56 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question
> > >
> > >
> > >Jerry
> > >I looked again at the aresti and I think you are right.The aresti shows
> > >both upline rolls in the same direction.That would let you see the top
> >one
> > >time and bottom the other time.
> > >My mistake Bob so much for crutches.
> > >
> > >
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