[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question

[dwaynenancy]

Dr. Ralph Brooke (world champion) said always to do your rolls away from 
the flight line.  This makes any directional heading movement less 
noticeable.  Dwayne

Mark Atwood wrote:

>I would disagree...it IS defined.  Figure M with 3/4 rolls.  Roll direction
>is optional, stall direction is optional.  That's always been the case
>unless it's specified otherwise.  There's no "implied" roll direction, just
>one that some think looks better.  That will always be the case.
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>Some people do their four points in different directions so as to show the
>canopy first, or last, which ever they feel presents better...Not sure I
>personally care, but for those that do...go for it.   I know I'll catch
>flack for say this, but this IS a subjective sport.  Presentation DOES
>matter... Always will.  It's shouldn't outweigh the objective criteria, but
>it's not worthless either.
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>On 10/17/06 3:11 PM, "jivey61 at bellsouth.net" <jivey61 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
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>>G
>>Yes you agree ..but you also see we have to define it now or everybody will
>>be flying and judging it differently. What a mess that will be.
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>>Jim Ivey
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "george w. kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
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>>>Jim,
>>>It certainly will work this way, but your original method will present
>>>better. With the roll direction being pilots option your original
>>>ll/rr-rr/ll is a much prettier maneuver. There's something to be said for
>>>presenting the canopy to the judges on rolling maneuvers. I apply this
>>>technique on all maneuvers with rolling elements unless the specified
>>>requirement forces otherwise, like reverse K.E.'s.  IMHO, you had it right
>>>the first time!
>>>G.
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>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
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>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:17 PM
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>>>>Bob
>>>>If I read the Aresti correct the rolls on both vertical lines are the
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>>same
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>>>>direction.This makes it lt-lt and lt-lt coming from the left and rt-rt
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>>and
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>>>>rt-rt coming from the right.Like Jerry  said look at top of plane one
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>>time
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>>>>and bottom of the plane next time.
>>>>
>>>>Jim Ivey
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Bob Kane" <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:01 PM
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>>>>>Wow, this is more complicated than I anticipated. Do you have to roll
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>>the
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>>>>same way for each stall turn?  Or can you reverse directions to show the
>>>>canopy during each stall?
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>>>>>For example, flying left to right as shown on the aresti, pull 1/4
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>>loop,
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>>>>short line, roll 3/4 left (canopy toward flightline), short line, stall
>>>>toward the right, short line, roll 3/4 left, short line, push 1/2
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>>outside
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>>>>loop, short line, roll 3/4 right (canopy faces flight line), short line,
>>>>stall towerd the right, short line, 3/4 roll right, short line, pull 1/4
>>>>loop.
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>>>>>Bob Kane
>>>>>getterflash at yahoo.com
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>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----
>>>>>From: "jivey61 at bellsouth.net" <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:45:56 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question
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>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>I looked again at the aresti and I think you are right.The aresti shows
>>>>>both upline rolls in the same direction.That would let you see the top
>>>>>one
>>>>>time and bottom the other time.
>>>>>My mistake Bob so much for crutches.
>>>>>
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