[NSRCA-discussion] One day contests

Lance Van Nostrand patterndude at comcast.net
Mon Oct 2 19:17:22 AKDT 2006 

Terry,
Glad it works well in some cases, your area as an example.  I expressed my 
concerns and offere a suggestion that addresses those concerns.  The 
suggested improvement, if adopted, would be applicable to other classes too, 
without adding time to the contest.  I understand supporting sportsman, but 
I am certainly aware of people in all classes that enjoy the fellowship of 
the contest but for whatever reason can't always dedicate the 2 days.

We often have contests with 30+ people.  We've tried letting sportsman fly 
twice a few times but we found that their sequence then takes as long as 
adv - FAI and if there are 8 or so entrants, it puts pressure on completing 
the contest in time.  Maybe single flights through the sequence but 2 more 
Sunday rounds would be a good balance.  Have to consider that.  However, 
sunday's can be difficult if you can't wrap it up by 2pm and get 6 rounds 
in.

There's not one answer, that's for sure.
--Lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adrien L Terrenoire" <amad2terry at juno.com>
To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] One day contests


> Lance: It IS workable, we have been doing it for the better part of 20
> years. Not for ALL classes, just Sportsman.
> We make sure this class gets 4 rounds each day, weather permitting, of
> course. We announce a winner Saturday night at the dinner, and present
> the award. In 2005, for our 50th, we even gave away a gold watch to each
> day's winners. In this case, we stipulated that the same person could not
> win both days. The guy who won Saturday opted not to fly Sunday, but was
> there anyway.
>
> You seem to missing the point that we are trying to encourage
> participation in the lower class, classes. We are doing this by trying to
> address the problem of committment for the newcomer. It does work, and is
> workable, if the CD looks at "how can we make it work" and NOT at "how is
> this a problem".
>
> Terry T.
>
> On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:24:59 -0500 "Lance Van Nostrand"
> <patterndude at comcast.net> writes:
>> As I read with interest this thread I don't see how 2 one day
>> contests is
>> workable. sunday flying is not long enough to have the same number
>> of
>> sportsman/intermediate rounds and the obvious issue is that its
>> highly
>> likely that people staying for two days are more likely to win on
>> both days.
>> Maybe a modification is just to announce a "day 1 placing" and let
>> the
>> contest continue.  Anyone only able to stay for one day would win
>> the day 1
>> award and feel their accomplishment for the time they were able to
>> compete.
>> At the end of day 1, everyone has had the same number of rounds and
>>
>> opportunity to be winners.  The continuing dynamics can shake things
>> up in
>> day 2, but at the end of day 1, the winners can be announced.  Award
>>
>> something simple, like a certificate or some diet coke and mentos at
>> the end
>> of day 1 flying.  People with time constraints are not limited to
>> sportsman,
>> and this could be done at all classes.
>>
>> --lance
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kelly Regan" <kelly.regan2 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] One day contests
>>
>>
>> > It was nice to read all the opinions about the one day contest and
>> I
>> > have to say that 2 one day contests for the lower classes seems
>> > like a win win situation.
>> >
>> > Speaking for myself I would not need or expect an award for a one
>> day
>> > contest.  Maybe you could save the award for the guys that stayed
>> both
>> > days and do a combined 2 day total.  Or just print out paper
>> awards for
>> > the one day participants and mail them later?
>> >
>> > Day one:
>> > 1st
>> > 2nd
>> > 3rd
>> >
>> > Day 2:
>> > 1st
>> > 2nd
>> > 3rd
>> >
>> > Combined total:
>> > 1st
>> > 2nd
>> > 3rd
>> >
>> > Again this is just an idea from a new guy.
>> >
>> > Adrien L Terrenoire wrote:
>> >> In an earlier thread, I resopnded to a comment about our club
>> making
>> >> the Sportsman class two one day contest for as long as I can
>> remember,
>> >> and for the same length of time, I can't remember anyone flying
>> just
>> >> one of the days. I am sure it has happened, but the instances
>> have
>> >> been rare. On our end, it means that we have to buy, or make up
>> and
>> >> extra set of awards.
>> >>
>> >> Terry T.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:45:31 -0400 Mike Wizynajtys
>> >> <mikewiz at tcwireless.us <mailto:mikewiz at tcwireless.us>> writes:
>> >>
>> >>     That seems reasonable. What if the only day you can attend is
>> the
>> >>     second day? Do contests allow that? I could have done that
>> once
>> >>     this past summer, when a tight work deadline messed up my
>> plans.
>> >>
>> >>     Wiz
>> >>
>> >>     At 08:03 AM 9/29/2006, you wrote:
>> >>>     The obvious answer is to only attend one day of a two day
>> event.
>> >>>     At the end of the first day, you pretty much know how your
>> going
>> >>>     to stack up against the competition. Which is the main
>> reason I
>> >>>     fly. For family reasons, I only attend on saturday.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>         -------------- Original message --------------
>> >>>         From: Chris Moon <cjm767driver at hotmail.com>
>> >>>         One day contests really require a large number of
>> potential
>> >>>         flyers within a reasonably short driving distance.  I
>> think
>> >>>         that they were more popular years ago when there were
>> more
>> >>>         people in pattern.  In the 80's on the East coast there
>> were
>> >>>         lots of flyers and several one day contests.  Today, we
>> have
>> >>>         people driving 400 -500 miles to a 2 day contest and
>> that
>> >>>         would not be good for a one day event.  However if you
>> had
>> >>>         enough local people to make up for the loss of the long
>> >>>         distance drivers maybe it would work.  I just don't know
>> of
>> >>>         too many areas that have enough people local to make up
>> an
>> >>>         event and not have to rely on long distance drivers to
>> >>>         guarantee a good contest with lots of competition.
>> >>>         I would like some one day contests too, but not if I am
>> only
>> >>>         flying a! gainst 1 or 2 other guys.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>             Chris
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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