[NSRCA-discussion] One day contests
Atwood, Mark
atwoodm at paragon-inc.com
Mon Oct 2 12:45:50 AKDT 2006
We've done this at several contests and this has never been an issue. The Sportsman pattern takes about 2.5 minutes in the air...if you're slow. Most of the flight is take off and landing...so doing it twice requires about a 7 minute flight. Even flying the sequence twice, they will still move through the line faster than Masters or FAI...and maybe even advanced.
That being said, most people that have come to our contest can vouch for the fact that I prefer to let people fly, more than not...so I'd probably let them make up the second round if they truly couldn't make both rounds on one tank. But I think that would be a rare situation.
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org on behalf of Rex LESHER
Sent: Mon 10/2/2006 4:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] One day contests
We've never encountered that problem... most planes I've ever been around carry enough fuel to fly two Sportsman sequences. I know we've had a few flame outs, but that's part of flying competition.... I would think that if it flamed out in the first flight of the double sequence, we would allow them to move to the bottom of the list and let them fly the second flight.... I'm gonna have to think about this, just in case it ever happens... I agree that it wouldn't be fair to the individual to have to fly two sequences if their plane didn't carry enough fuel to do it. We would more than likely let them move down the list a ways and fly the second flight. We normally don't have that many Sportsman pilots at a contest.. I don't see where it's a big problem to accommodate their needs. After all, the idea is to get more people into pattern!
Rex Lesher
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From: twtaylor <mailto:twtaylor at ftc-i.net>
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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:38 PM
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If they have a flame out due to low fuel on the second sequence do you allow them to land and refuel and fly again?
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of AtwoodDon at aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] One day contests
Then I am flying Sportsman at Creswell next year!!!!
Don Atwood
In a message dated 10/2/2006 11:07:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, trexlesh at msn.com writes:
Everyone is correct about not trying it for intermediate... It would take too long. The whole idea behind it is to get more flying time for Sportsman pilots. When I started flying pattern, I passed on flying Sportsman and started in Intermediate, simply because I wasn't about to drive 350-500 miles to fly for 20 minutes.... Also, it's good exposure for the Sportsman pilot to get as much flying time as possible in front of judges... They get a lot of feedback and support from the judges and fellow flyers that they may well not get at there home field...
You learn more flying in a contest than you ever do just practicing without observers. So far, it's worked very well here in D8. We normally only get 3 rounds per day any how.... To tell you the truth, I don't believe we've had any issue on 2 day vs 1 day contests. We always run a 2 day contest and the Sportsman get 12 rounds of flying... They like it!
Rex Lesher
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrien L Terrenoire <mailto:amad2terry at juno.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] One day contests
Lance: It IS workable, we have been doing it for the better part of 20
years. Not for ALL classes, just Sportsman.
We make sure this class gets 4 rounds each day, weather permitting, of
course. We announce a winner Saturday night at the dinner, and present
the award. In 2005, for our 50th, we even gave away a gold watch to each
day's winners. In this case, we stipulated that the same person could not
win both days. The guy who won Saturday opted not to fly Sunday, but was
there anyway.
You seem to missing the point that we are trying to encourage
participation in the lower class, classes. We are doing this by trying to
address the problem of committment for the newcomer. It does work, and is
workable, if the CD looks at "how can we make it work" and NOT at "how is
this a problem".
Terry T.
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:24:59 -0500 "Lance Van Nostrand"
<patterndude at comcast.net> writes:
> As I read with interest this thread I don't see how 2 one day
> contests is
> workable. sunday flying is not long enough to have the same number
> of
> sportsman/intermediate rounds and the obvious issue is that its
> highly
> likely that people staying for two days are more likely to win on
> both days.
> Maybe a modification is just to announce a "day 1 placing" and let
> the
> contest continue. Anyone only able to stay for one day would win
> the day 1
> award and feel their accomplishment for the time they were able to
> compete.
> At the end of day 1, everyone has had the same number of rounds and
>
> opportunity to be winners. The continuing dynamics can shake things
> up in
> day 2, but at the end of day 1, the winners can be announced. Award
>
> something simple, like a certificate or some diet coke and mentos at
> the end
> of day 1 flying. People with time constraints are not limited to
> sportsman,
> and this could be done at all classes.
>
> --lance
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kelly Regan" <kelly.regan2 at verizon.net>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] One day contests
>
>
> > It was nice to read all the opinions about the one day contest and
> I
> > have to say that 2 one day contests for the lower classes seems
> > like a win win situation.
> >
> > Speaking for myself I would not need or expect an award for a one
> day
> > contest. Maybe you could save the award for the guys that stayed
> both
> > days and do a combined 2 day total. Or just print out paper
> awards for
> > the one day participants and mail them later?
> >
> > Day one:
> > 1st
> > 2nd
> > 3rd
> >
> > Day 2:
> > 1st
> > 2nd
> > 3rd
> >
> > Combined total:
> > 1st
> > 2nd
> > 3rd
> >
> > Again this is just an idea from a new guy.
> >
> > Adrien L Terrenoire wrote:
> >> In an earlier thread, I resopnded to a comment about our club
> making
> >> the Sportsman class two one day contest for as long as I can
> remember,
> >> and for the same length of time, I can't remember anyone flying
> just
> >> one of the days. I am sure it has happened, but the instances
> have
> >> been rare. On our end, it means that we have to buy, or make up
> and
> >> extra set of awards.
> >>
> >> Terry T.
> >>
> >> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:45:31 -0400 Mike Wizynajtys
> >> <mikewiz at tcwireless.us <mailto:mikewiz at tcwireless.us>> writes:
> >>
> >> That seems reasonable. What if the only day you can attend is
> the
> >> second day? Do contests allow that? I could have done that
> once
> >> this past summer, when a tight work deadline messed up my
> plans.
> >>
> >> Wiz
> >>
> >> At 08:03 AM 9/29/2006, you wrote:
> >>> The obvious answer is to only attend one day of a two day
> event.
> >>> At the end of the first day, you pretty much know how your
> going
> >>> to stack up against the competition. Which is the main
> reason I
> >>> fly. For family reasons, I only attend on saturday.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------- Original message --------------
> >>> From: Chris Moon <cjm767driver at hotmail.com>
> >>> One day contests really require a large number of
> potential
> >>> flyers within a reasonably short driving distance. I
> think
> >>> that they were more popular years ago when there were
> more
> >>> people in pattern. In the 80's on the East coast there
> were
> >>> lots of flyers and several one day contests. Today, we
> have
> >>> people driving 400 -500 miles to a 2 day contest and
> that
> >>> would not be good for a one day event. However if you
> had
> >>> enough local people to make up for the loss of the long
> >>> distance drivers maybe it would work. I just don't know
> of
> >>> too many areas that have enough people local to make up
> an
> >>> event and not have to rely on long distance drivers to
> >>> guarantee a good contest with lots of competition.
> >>> I would like some one day contests too, but not if I am
> only
> >>> flying a! gainst 1 or 2 other guys.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chris
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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