[NSRCA-discussion] Wind correction

Mon Oct 2 10:46:59 AKDT 2006

So true.

I've heard both sides from my coach (Dad) -

- "I don't know how it is possible to do what you did (considering the wind), but you did, so I can't downgrade".

and

- "I know the flaw wouldn't be there if it weren't windy, but the wind ain't my problem, so you get the downgrade".

I often think a well trained judge who does not fly at all may be the best judge - absolutely no empathy for an 80% well executed wind correction.

Regards,

Dave Lockkhart
DaveL322 at comcast.net

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From: "John Ferrell" <johnferrell at earthlink.net> 

My wife (Joan) is a much better judge than I. 30 years of teaching high school has erased any trace sympathy she might have for poor performances. She says: "Wind? I don't see any wind. Wind is not my problem. No where in the rule book is there any concession for wind. "

John Ferrell    W8CCW
"My Competition is not my enemy"
http://DixieNC.US

----- Original Message ----- 
From: White, Chris 
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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Wind correction

Hi Ed, 

The rules say track,  All my practice is based on track.  So, if I see NO wind correction when there should be, that is a violation of track and I will downgrade it.  Piloting is wind-correction….windy pattern days are not as pretty as calm pattern days. Interesting that Art Wagner and I had this conversation at Dallas.  (Art does some of very nice wind-compensated flying.)  I personally see no other choice but to believe that “Impression judging” is what a person is doing if not judging by track.  If the rules were changed to say “best impression” I can only imagine the chaos that would exist.  Per the current rules the best flying has no style, but is flown like a computer…no deviation in rates from start to finish…exact radiuses & wind corrections etc…etc.  

I’m thankful to anyone who is sitting in that chair and trying to do their dead-level best …. I know that it is tough to sit in that chair, weed out impression and bias and score as fairly and accurately as possible, but that is the job and to some degree we are all accountable for it and to it.  I am far from a great judge and it takes much experience, practice and dedication to do that job well.  I enjoy reading the efforts put out by Don Ramsey and others concerning the subject because of its importance to our game.  Thanks for starting this thread and to all that have contributed.

My 2 cents…
Chris White

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Deaver
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Wind correction

Thanx Ken, but which would you score higher??  I know what we are supposed to do, but that is the jist of my post.  

Ed

Ken Thompson <mrandmrst at comcast.net> wrote:
Hard to ignore "ugly", but you need to judge the "track"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ed Deaver 
To: NSRCA Mailing List 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:13 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Wind correction

Hey everyone.  While the season is winding down, Don Ramsey and I had an interesting discussion this past weekend.  Am wondering what the general consensus is.

First, let me state, judges are human and I understand that.  Also, many judges don't know the exact wording of many rules, I understant that also.

Soooo

Will a pilot score higher if they follow the letter of the law and wind correct perfectly, but fly an ugly manuever, or wind correct a little and let the plane look "prettier" in a manuever?????

Lets use the first maneuver in the Master's sequence after entering the box.  Stall turn 1 1/4 rolls up, 3/4 rolls down exit inverted.  On a strong wind day, not pulling to vertical to maintain the line doesn't look to bad (we expect that) the 1 1/4 rolls in centered, looking good, appropriate rudder is given to maintain a straight vertical line (again expected and usually doesn't require much as we are at full throttle), the stall goes off without a hitch, but do to lack of airspeed we cant the fuse and hold rudder into the wind letting the fuse lean at a 45degree angle to maintain a straight line (this is the part I'm curious about) until the 3/4 roll and using a little down elevator to hold the line after the roll (again expected but not ugly)
Everything about this manuever is done and doesn't detract from the overall appearance of the manuever except the down line after the stall, which is simply "UGLY"

Just curious what everyone says.  Again, I know what the rules say, and am not interested in a rule book interpretation, but what do you think about scoring better vs worse???

Thanx

ed

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