[NSRCA-discussion] Started somewhere as RE: Brio Hinges

Thu Nov 16 10:11:12 AKST 2006

Hi Mark,

Isn’t it wild how fanatical we could be about stuff like that…. First there was CL, then getting into RC was a major thing in my life.  Dad & I traded a Honda 90 for an old used EK Logictrol II.   Then I skimped and saved for my own Ace pulse commander, (63 dollars & change…+ the 7.25 cent 9v superbattery) ,  and I scaled up dwgs from MAN for Ted Strader’s Javalaero with a PeeWee .020, then I really learned how to fly RC single-channel and many  60 second hops. (I might know a little how the Wright’s felt…)  

Comair: Can’t wait to make it back there….one fantastic contest, and an absolutely great time.  Where else you gonna get the goodies, the steak, Bob Kane the DJ, and all the fantastic targets for those bottle rockets and roman candles….How many hits did that Ultra Stick take???  Did they ever find any penetrations???   Dave Lockhart doing endless hovers which the guys on the sidelines blasted away….(finally the foamie he was flying caught fire and he had to switch airplanes….not his Vivat:-))

You have a great crew and do a super job!

Chris

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mark Atwood
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Started somewhere as RE: Brio Hinges

Hey Chris,

No, I’m afraid there’s no relation to the early Atwood’s...at least not those.  Dad was irate when I spent all the money I had to my name at 13 years old to buy a Heathkit transmitter kit that came with a crap Styrofoam and plastic .35 RC airplane.  Having a 13 year old now...I can see his concern that it was merely going to be a fad.  Thankfully it lasted a little longer...

Now...how do we get you back to ComAir???

-Mark

On 11/16/06 7:53 AM, "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com> wrote:

Thanks Dave…. I’d heard about the fuel that smelled like shoe polish and came in glass jars….!  Man, I really do enjoy the history of modeling…. remembering one of the first books I picked up as a kid of 6 was a copy of Bill Winters (Model Aircraft Handbook) which I believe was dated 1944….I gave .25 for it and still have it. 

In 1976 I worked for my friend Bill Knost, (House of Hobbies Tulsa, ….  Bill used to fly CL speed, Goodyear, and made the circuit flying class II with Flat Top Stormers and the like. Back in those days he built about an airplane a week in order to keep one flying:-))  anyway, in the shop the stories just went on an on from guys about the old days…love it man..love it.  If I had a nickel for every time I heard the guys talk about flying CL with the Atwood engines

So Mark Atwood…Small world….. some 28 years later I fly with you (you cd’d Comair contest 2004 and I guess about every year:-)) I guess your dad is Don Atwood the engine designer…..???? 

Chris

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  On Behalf Of k6xyz
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges

Hey!!!
I just knew all you Atwood guys would speak up!!  Hehehheh…..
Chris, I think the Cox TD .049’s had more suds than the Shriek but the Cox’s were about 10 years later according to Bill Atwood’s bio.
Leroy Cox hired Atwood to design the TD series so that’s probably why they are/were so good.
The Shriek seemed to run best on Cox red can or O&R Gold Seal fuel with a Kay Sun 5.2 x 4 plastic prop. There was some guy around here making a fuel called “This is It”. It was brown and smelled like shoe polish and came in a (shudder) glass jar. If you spilled a little on your finger, 2 days later you grew a 3rd eyeball!!
I haven’t tried a Norvell but they look nice. Really, I prefer the radial mount like the Atwood series of engines because they are lighter, smaller and easier to mount. This isn’t a problem with profile style models but the square fuse models like the Snapper would have to be widened slightly in the firewall area.
My experience with Atwoods was with C/L not R/C….this was so long ago that R/C was really free flight sometimes interrupted by radio.

Regards

Dave Harmon
NSRCA 586
K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
Sperry, Ok. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  On Behalf Of AtwoodDon at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges

HEY, me too!!!!

-Don (Atwood)

n a message dated 11/15/2006 4:31:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, atwoodm at paragon-inc.com writes:

	HEY!!!  I resemble that remark!

	-Mark (Atwood)

	On 11/15/06 5:32 PM, "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com> wrote:
	Hey Dave,
	So were Atwood’s as hot as I’ve always heard????  Shoot the only thing around in late 60’s -70’s were Cox’.  I haven’t even tried the Norvell’s …have you?  Small….man we used to have a ball with a Cox .010 powered littlest stick with the Ace pulse single channel. We’re talkin cheap R/C thrills now:-)
	Chris

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	From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  On Behalf Of k6xyz
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	Hey Chris….mine were Snappers with Atwood Shrieks…..clear nitrate over paper.

	Regards

	Dave Harmon
	NSRCA 586
	K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
	Sperry, Ok. 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  On Behalf Of White, Chris
	Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:09 PM
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	Hey Bob,
	I Aero-glossed mine….(orange…best flying ∏ A stunter I had flown…) but you should have seen me doing a “Lil Satan” in transparent blue monokote for my cousin:-)
	Oh, the smells of Aero-Gloss….God only knows how many brain-cells I paid for that experience:-)
	Chris

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	From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  On Behalf Of Bob Richards
	Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:40 AM
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	Reminds me of the first time I used Monokote. I was attempting to cover a Goldberg Li'l Jumpin Bean. My Mom's iron was almost as big as the plane!!!

	IIRC, the instructions said to set the iron for "permanent press". :-)

	Back then (1969??) the Monokote instructions actually showed a regular iron.

	Solarfilm was a lot easier to use, but did not add much stiffness to a wing.

	Bob R.

	Dean Pappas <d.pappas at kodeos.com> wrote:

		'Bout the mid-late sixties, I can remember Mom showing Dad and myself how to monokote a corner properly,
		before we figured out that working with a clothes iron would build strong muscles!
		Seems she was frustrated watching us mess up.
		Dean

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		From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
		[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5dOn>  <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5dOn> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5dOn>  Behalf Of wgalligan
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		I was around then. Didn't invent It though. I did get chewed out for using
		my wife's iron to apply Mono-Cote and Cover All.

		WAYNO

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		From: "Amir Neshati"

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		Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:24 PM
		Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges

		> Nat, Monokote hinges were used before your time...You probably aren't old
		> enough to remember, in the olden days, around the late '70s & '80s,
		> Monokote
		> used to include instructions on how to do Monokote hinges .....Wayno was
		> around then though, I think he invented the film covering.
		>
		> Amir
		>
		>
		>
		> -----Original Message-----
		> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
		> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  On Behalf Of Nat Penton
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		> Arch
		> Is this for top hinged ails only ? Nat
		>
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		> From: "Archie Stafford" 
		> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" 
		> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:27 AM
		> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
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		>
		>> Nat,
		>>
		>> Basically after beveling the surface I put a strip about 1" over the top
		>> sealing the gap and holding it in place. Flip the aileron up and then
		>> put
		>
		>> a
		>> piece on the bottom. Then just cover the entire wing and you end up with
		>> an
		>> incredibly clean finish on top.
		>>
		>> Arch
		>>
		>>
		>> -----Original Message-----
		>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
		>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  On Behalf Of Nat Penton
		>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:56 PM
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		>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
		>>
		>> Archie
		>> How do you "do" monocote hinges ? Nat
		>>
		>> ----- Original Message ----- 
		>> From: "Archie Stafford" 
		>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" 
		>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:18 AM
		>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
		>>
		>>
		>>> Personally I use Monokote hinges...I know everyone gasps, but I have had
		>>> ZERO problems using Monokote the way they used to do it. My last few
		>>> airplanes have been top hinged using Monokote hinges and I'll continue
		>>> to
		>>> do
		>>> it. Doesn't add any real extra weight. A VERY strong hinge, and looks
		>>> great
		>>> when covered because you have no gap in your covering. I can send you
		>>> pictures of them if you want. Works great and have had no problems with
		>>> the
		>>> monokote coming loose or cracking. Well over 1000 flights on my Mantis
		>>> I've
		>>> been currently flying, and plan on using the same method on my new Black
		>>> Magics.
		>>>
		>>> Arch Stafford
		>>>
		>>>
		>>> -----Original Message-----
		>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
		>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d>  On Behalf Of Richard
		>>> Strickland
		>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:38 AM
		>>> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
		>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
		>>>
		>>>
		>>> What's the best way to hinge beveled surfaces as on the Brio kit?
		>>>
		>>> Richard
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