[NSRCA-discussion] Started somewhere as RE: Brio Hinges

Mark Atwood atwoodm at paragon-inc.com
Thu Nov 16 09:37:29 AKST 2006 

Hey Chris,

No, I¹m afraid there¹s no relation to the early Atwood¹s...at least not
those.  Dad was irate when I spent all the money I had to my name at 13
years old to buy a Heathkit transmitter kit that came with a crap Styrofoam
and plastic .35 RC airplane.  Having a 13 year old now...I can see his
concern that it was merely going to be a fad.  Thankfully it lasted a little
longer...

Now...how do we get you back to ComAir???

-Mark



On 11/16/06 7:53 AM, "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com> wrote:

> Thanks DaveŠ. I¹d heard about the fuel that smelled like shoe polish and came
> in glass jarsŠ.!  Man, I really do enjoy the history of modelingŠ. remembering
> one of the first books I picked up as a kid of 6 was a copy of Bill Winters
> (Model Aircraft Handbook) which I believe was dated 1944Š.I gave .25 for it
> and still have it.
>  
> In 1976 I worked for my friend Bill Knost, (House of Hobbies Tulsa, Š.  Bill
> used to fly CL speed, Goodyear, and made the circuit flying class II with Flat
> Top Stormers and the like. Back in those days he built about an airplane a
> week in order to keep one flyingJ)  anyway, in the shop the stories just went
> on an on from guys about the old daysŠlove it man..love it.  If I had a nickel
> for every time I heard the guys talk about flying CL with the Atwood engines
>  
> So Mark AtwoodŠSmall worldŠ.. some 28 years later I fly with you (you cd¹d
> Comair contest 2004 and I guess about every yearJ) I guess your dad is Don
> Atwood the engine designerŠ..????
>  
> Chris
>  
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of k6xyz
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:07 PM
> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
>  
> Hey!!!
> I just knew all you Atwood guys would speak up!!  HehehhehŠ..
> Chris, I think the Cox TD .049¹s had more suds than the Shriek but the Cox¹s
> were about 10 years later according to Bill Atwood¹s bio.
> Leroy Cox hired Atwood to design the TD series so that¹s probably why they
> are/were so good.
> The Shriek seemed to run best on Cox red can or O&R Gold Seal fuel with a Kay
> Sun 5.2 x 4 plastic prop. There was some guy around here making a fuel called
> ³This is It². It was brown and smelled like shoe polish and came in a
> (shudder) glass jar. If you spilled a little on your finger, 2 days later you
> grew a 3rd eyeball!!
> I haven¹t tried a Norvell but they look nice. Really, I prefer the radial
> mount like the Atwood series of engines because they are lighter, smaller and
> easier to mount. This isn¹t a problem with profile style models but the square
> fuse models like the Snapper would have to be widened slightly in the firewall
> area.
> My experience with Atwoods was with C/L not R/CŠ.this was so long ago that R/C
> was really free flight sometimes interrupted by radio.
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
> Dave Harmon
> NSRCA 586
> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
> Sperry, Ok. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> AtwoodDon at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:33 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
>  
> 
> HEY, me too!!!!
> 
>  
> 
> -Don (Atwood)
> 
>  
> 
> n a message dated 11/15/2006 4:31:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> atwoodm at paragon-inc.com writes:
>> HEY!!!  I resemble that remark!
>> 
>> -Mark (Atwood)
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/15/06 5:32 PM, "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com> wrote:
>> Hey Dave,
>> So were Atwood¹s as hot as I¹ve always heard????  Shoot the only thing around
>> in late 60¹s -70¹s were Cox¹.  I haven¹t even tried the Norvell¹s Šhave you?
>> SmallŠ.man we used to have a ball with a Cox .010 powered littlest stick with
>> the Ace pulse single channel. We¹re talkin cheap R/C thrills nowJ
>> Chris
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d> On Behalf Of k6xyz
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:13 PM
>> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
>> 
>> Hey ChrisŠ.mine were Snappers with Atwood ShrieksŠ..clear nitrate over paper.
>>  
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Dave Harmon
>> NSRCA 586
>> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
>> Sperry, Ok. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d> On Behalf Of White,
>> Chris
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:09 PM
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
>> 
>> Hey Bob,
>> I Aero-glossed mineŠ.(orangeŠbest flying ½ A stunter I had flownŠ) but you
>> should have seen me doing a ³Lil Satan² in transparent blue monokote for my
>> cousinJ
>> Oh, the smells of Aero-GlossŠ.God only knows how many brain-cells I paid for
>> that experienceJ
>> Chris
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d> On Behalf Of Bob
>> Richards
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:40 AM
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
>> 
>> 
>> Reminds me of the first time I used Monokote. I was attempting to cover a
>> Goldberg Li'l Jumpin Bean. My Mom's iron was almost as big as the plane!!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> IIRC, the instructions said to set the iron for "permanent press". :-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Back then (1969??) the Monokote instructions actually showed a regular iron.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Solarfilm was a lot easier to use, but did not add much stiffness to a wing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bob R.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dean Pappas <d.pappas at kodeos.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 'Bout the mid-late sixties, I can remember Mom showing Dad and myself how to
>>> monokote a corner properly,
>>> before we figured out that working with a clothes iron would build strong
>>> muscles!
>>> Seems she was frustrated watching us mess up.
>>> Dean
>>> 
>>> Dean Pappas
>>> Sr. Design Engineer
>>> Kodeos Communications
>>> 111 Corporate Blvd.
>>> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
>>> (908) 222-7817 phone
>>> (908) 222-2392 fax
>>> d.pappas at kodeos.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5dOn> Behalf Of wgalligan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:59 AM
>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I was around then. Didn't invent It though. I did get chewed out for using
>>> my wife's iron to apply Mono-Cote and Cover All.
>>> 
>>> WAYNO
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Amir Neshati"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'"
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> > Nat, Monokote hinges were used before your time...You probably aren't old
>>>> > enough to remember, in the olden days, around the late '70s & '80s,
>>>> > Monokote
>>>> > used to include instructions on how to do Monokote hinges .....Wayno was
>>>> > around then though, I think he invented the film covering.
>>>> >
>>>> > Amir
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d> On Behalf Of Nat
>>>> Penton
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:02 AM
>>>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
>>>> >
>>>> > Arch
>>>> > Is this for top hinged ails only ? Nat
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Archie Stafford"
>>>> > To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'"
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:27 AM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>> >> Nat,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Basically after beveling the surface I put a strip about 1" over the
>>>>> top
>>>>> >> sealing the gap and holding it in place. Flip the aileron up and then
>>>>> >> put
>>>> >
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >> piece on the bottom. Then just cover the entire wing and you end up
>>>>> with
>>>>> >> an
>>>>> >> incredibly clean finish on top.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Arch
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>> >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d> On Behalf Of Nat
>>>>> Penton
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:56 PM
>>>>> >> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Archie
>>>>> >> How do you "do" monocote hinges ? Nat
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: "Archie Stafford"
>>>>> >> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'"
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:18 AM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> Personally I use Monokote hinges...I know everyone gasps, but I have
had
>>>>>> >>> ZERO problems using Monokote the way they used to do it. My last few
>>>>>> >>> airplanes have been top hinged using Monokote hinges and I'll
>>>>>> continue
>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>> >>> do
>>>>>> >>> it. Doesn't add any real extra weight. A VERY strong hinge, and looks
>>>>>> >>> great
>>>>>> >>> when covered because you have no gap in your covering. I can send you
>>>>>> >>> pictures of them if you want. Works great and have had no problems
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>> >>> monokote coming loose or cracking. Well over 1000 flights on my
>>>>>> Mantis
>>>>>> >>> I've
>>>>>> >>> been currently flying, and plan on using the same method on my new
>>>>>> Black
>>>>>> >>> Magics.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Arch Stafford
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>>> >>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>>>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%5d> On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>> >>> Strickland
>>>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:38 AM
>>>>>> >>> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
>>>>>> >>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Hinges
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> What's the best way to hinge beveled surfaces as on the Brio kit?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Richard
>>>>>> >>>
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