[NSRCA-discussion] Newbie question - Don't ask, don't tell.

Tue May 16 11:34:32 AKDT 2006

Hmmm..."The Downwind Turn", it is interesting to note that Air Progress
magazine did the same thing in about 1973-74.   It was a columnist
battle of the downwind turn controversy hosted in articles by Mike
Dillon and Barry Schiff.  Hey, another good topic is "Region of reversed
command" (just try that one on the FAA)....it all has the same effect as
snaps...controversy!!!!  

Chris

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van
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On May 16, 2006, at 12:06 PM, george w. kennie wrote:

Or better yet, Larry, the notorious down-wind turn which I have been
wondering about for the last 8 years. With sombody like me on the list,
noone has even dared to mention that debacle (and I don't blame
them.....BG.).

I wrote the aerobatics column for Model Aviation for 20 years and,
whenever I ran dry on things to say, would mention the downwind turn.
Then, from the letters I got from readers, I had column material for
several months.   The best analysis of the problem was by a writer,
named Len Salter, in South Africa, who wrote an article entitled "All
You Need Is An Aircraft Carrier".  He described a fictional flight of an
R/C airplane from the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, which was
steaming downwind at the speed of the wind.  He described the flight of
his airplane, flying in the "calm" conditions the wind and aircraft
carrier provided.  No sign of the dreaded "downwind turn problem".  He
went on to ask how the airplane would know the difference if the pilot
was instantaneously teleported to an adjacent island, because the
airplane would then exhibit the "downwind turn problem".  His conclusion
was that the problem is the pilot's perception of what the airplane is
doing, not the fault of the wind.  BTW, I agree with him.

Ron Van Putte

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	From: Keith Black <mailto:tkeithb at comcast.net>  

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don't tell.

	That would probably be best. 

	Now just PLEASE, don't ask about snaps!!!!

	VBG.

	Keith Black

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		From: Larry <mailto:ledunn at centurytel.net>  

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		Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:54 PM

		Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Newbie question -
landing and approach

		Thanks Keith and Matt. I think I have it now .

		I was going to ask how could "landing" possibly be a
controversial issue, but I think it would be best if I just go to the
contest, keep my eyes open and my mouth shut! LOL

		Thanks to all!

		Larry

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			From: Keith Black <mailto:tkeithb at comcast.net>  

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			Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 8:28 PM

			Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Newbie question
- landing and approach

			OK Larry, I'm starting to think you're a "mole"
just posing as a newbie to try and stir up trouble! VBG.

			You've just touched on another highly charged
topic. (DON'T PEE ON THAT THIRD.... ZZZAP!)

			That's pretty good for a "newbie" (I'm starting
to wonder ;-) ), two fire storms in just two questions.

			LOL.

			The short answer, make two 180 degree turns and
land on the runway without rolling off the side or pieces flying off
your airplane and you'll get a ten.  Notice, that I didn't say you
couldn't crash on the runway, to do so is entirely legal and you'll
still get a ten as long as all parts stay in tack.

			This is up for a vote by the Contest Board this
summer and "should" be changed back to scoring from 1 to 10, but you
never know. 

			Keith Black

				----- Original Message ----- 

				From: Larry
<mailto:ledunn at centurytel.net>  

				To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 

				Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:24 PM

				Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Newbie
question - landing and approach

				I have another few newbie Sportsman
questions if I may - hopefully not as controversial as the "electric
weight" issue :)

				After the Double Immelman without rolls
(U) I will be flying upwind and then exit the box if I am understanding
this correctly.

				How should I get from there to landing? 

				I am assuming a simple flat 180 deg turn
(away from the flight line) from the upwind leg to down wind followed by
a normal landing approach?

				What parts of that entire procedure are
judged?

				On the actual landing - the rules talk
about two lines 100 meters apart. Do I need to touch the ground inside
those two lines and/or roll to a stop within those two lines?

				Thanks!

				Larry

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