[NSRCA-discussion] Gray's snap methodology - lesson 1 thru 6

Tue May 16 06:41:33 AKDT 2006

Use AFR function for one of the rates, and D/R function for the other rate.  The expos are adjustable in each function, and are active when that feature is active.  When the D/R is not active (or inhibited) then AFR is controlling the rates/expos.

Chad
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Speaking of Futaba, what's the best way to set up separate expos on high and
low rates on a WC11?

RS

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Jim Woodward
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Too funny, :-),  On par with your best P-51 ARF emails Gray.

Jim W.
Team Futaba

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of White, Chris
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:57 AM
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Gray's snap methodology - lesson 1 thru 6

Excellent research Gray...:)  As usual, you "quack" me up..
Thanks, I needed that...
Chris

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gray E Fowler
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:28 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Newbie question - landing and approach

Keith

Snaps are easy. I have developed a step by step method on how to score 10s
on all snaps.

1. Buy a fancy radio that has many stick position operated functions. Futaba
works best, as we all know all the "good" flyers use Futaba. Plus you get to
wear those cool orange shirts-you know those ones that do not seem to macth
any color combo, but hey wtf, we are just uncoordinated airplane geeks
(Futaba needs Queer Eye for the Straight Guy help here...but thats another
subject).

2. Get a plane that squeaks when snapping. This ensures to the judge that
you did indeed snap or there would not be a squeak. Even squeaks made in
China are acceptable.

3. Get an electric power source (for the prop). Only really good flyers that
are serious have the money, time, and insurance to use this technology,
therfore the judge sees this as "good".

4. Canvass this "list" and create propoganda to increase the weight limit so
you can actually get a chance to do your snaps at the NATS-legally.

5. Most Important- Develop a "Halo" effect so you can do cheatin' on the
line snap with out getting zeroed.

Personally....I am working on step #1

Gray Fowler
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer
Composites Engineering
"Keith Black" <tkeithb at comcast.net>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Newbie question - landing and approach

OK Larry, I'm starting to think you're a "mole" just posing as a newbie to
try and stir up trouble! VBG.

You've just touched on another highly charged topic. (DON'T PEE ON THAT
THIRD.... ZZZAP!)

That's pretty good for a "newbie" (I'm starting to wonder ;-) ), two fire
storms in just two questions.

LOL.

The short answer, make two 180 degree turns and land on the runway without
rolling off the side or pieces flying off your airplane and you'll get a
ten.  Notice, that I didn't say you couldn't crash on the runway, to do so
is entirely legal and you'll still get a ten as long as all parts stay in
tack.

This is up for a vote by the Contest Board this summer and "should" be
changed back to scoring from 1 to 10, but you never know.

Keith Black
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From: Larry <mailto:ledunn at centurytel.net>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Newbie question - landing and approach

I have another few newbie Sportsman questions if I may - hopefully not as
controversial as the "electric weight" issue :)

After the Double Immelman without rolls (U) I will be flying upwind and then
exit the box if I am understanding this correctly.

How should I get from there to landing?

I am assuming a simple flat 180 deg turn (away from the flight line) from
the upwind leg to down wind followed by a normal landing approach?

What parts of that entire procedure are judged?

On the actual landing - the rules talk about two lines 100 meters apart. Do
I need to touch the ground inside those two lines and/or roll to a stop
within those two lines?

Thanks!

Larry

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Keith</fo=
nt> 
 
Snaps are easy. I have developed a step =
by step
method on how to score 10s on all snaps. 
 
1. Buy a fancy radio that has many stick
position operated functions. Futaba works best, as we all know all the
&quot;good&quot; flyers use Futaba. Plus you get to wear those cool =
orange
shirts-you know those ones that do not seem to macth any color combo, =
but hey
wtf, we are just uncoordinated airplane geeks (Futaba needs Queer Eye =
for the
Straight Guy help here...but thats another subject). 
 
2. Get a plane that squeaks when =
snapping. This
ensures to the judge that you did indeed snap or there would not be a =
squeak.
Even squeaks made in <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on">China</st1:country-region></st1:place>
are acceptable. 
 
3. Get an electric power source (for the =
prop).
Only really good flyers that are serious have the money, time, and =
insurance to
use this technology, therfore the judge sees this as =
&quot;good&quot;. 
 
4. Canvass this &quot;list&quot; and =
create
propoganda to increase the weight limit so you can actually get a chance =
to do
your snaps at the NATS-legally. 
 
5. Most Important- Develop a =
&quot;Halo&quot;
effect so you can do cheatin' on the line snap with out getting =
zeroed. 
 
 
Personally....I am working on step =
#1 
 
 
 
Gray Fowler 
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer 
Composites Engineering
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<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>OK Larry, I'm starting to think you're a
&quot;mole&quot; just posing as a newbie to try and stir up trouble! =
VBG.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>You've just touched on another highly =
charged
topic. (DON'T PEE ON THAT THIRD.... ZZZAP!)</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>That's pretty good for a =
&quot;newbie&quot; (I'm
starting to wonder ;-) ), two fire storms in just two =
questions.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>LOL.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>The short answer, make two 180 degree =
turns and
land on the runway without rolling off the side or pieces flying off =
your
airplane and you'll get a ten. &nbsp;Notice, that I didn't say you =
couldn't
crash on the runway, to do so is entirely legal and you'll still get a =
ten as
long as all parts stay in tack.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>This is up for a vote by the Contest =
Board this
summer and &quot;should&quot; be changed back to scoring from 1 to 10, =
but you
never know. </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'><br>
&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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----- Original Message ----- <br>
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<a href=3D"mailto:ledunn at centurytel.net">Larry</a> <br>
<b><span DEFANGED_STYLE=3D"font-weight:bold"><span =
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<a =
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<br>
<b><span DEFANGED_STYLE=3D"font-weight:bold"><span =
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Monday, May 15, 2006 9:24 PM <br>
<b><span DEFANGED_STYLE=3D"font-weight:bold"><span =
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[NSRCA-discussion] Newbie question - landing and approach <br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>I have another few newbie Sportsman =
questions if
I may - hopefully not as controversial as the &quot;electric =
weight&quot; issue
:)</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>After the Double Immelman without rolls =
(U) I
will be flying upwind and then exit the box if I am understanding this
correctly.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>How should I get from there to landing? =
</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br>
&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>I am assuming a simple flat 180 deg turn =
(away
from the flight line) from the upwind leg to down wind followed by a =
normal
landing approach?</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>What parts of that entire procedure are =
judged?</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>On the actual landing - the rules talk =
about two
lines 100 meters apart. Do I need to touch the ground inside those two =
lines
and/or roll to a stop within those two lines?</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thanks!</span></font><font =
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&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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&nbsp; <br>
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