[NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for electrics?
Chad Northeast
chad at f3acanada.org
Sun May 14 19:11:54 AKDT 2006
Hey Rex,
There are 4 of us coming from Calgary....should have a good turnout.
Weather forecast does not look too promising though! Might have time to
drink a few beers :)
Chad
Rex LESHER wrote:
> The only thing I've seen that stopped the spread of the Double Vision,
> was the cost. $2600 for the kit was a bit extreme. Then you have to
> build it. Especially when you have all the ready made planes
> available for about half that price.
> Hey Chad, See you at the DAM next weekend.... Looking forward to it.
> Looks like we'll bring 4-6 flyers up for it...
>
> Rex
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Chad Northeast <mailto:chad at f3acanada.org>
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:44 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for electrics?
>
> Lest we not forget that bipes placed 2nd and 4th at the 2005 World
> Champs......they are not everywhere....yet....increasing the weight
> limit will only open the door for their development.
>
> Chad
>
> jivey61 at bellsouth.net <mailto:jivey61 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > Dave
> > I agree and didn't Chip do this and it didn't take hold and stay
> > around for long.
> > Jim Ivey
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Dave Lockhart <mailto:davel322 at comcast.net>
> > *To:* 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:19 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for electrics?
> >
> > Yes they are a PIA and I don’t want to spend the extra time
> either.
> >
> > IMAC essentially has no limits, excepting the AMA 55 lb limit
> > which is not really a factor.
> >
> > Bigger flies better, period. If an IMAC guy went through the
> fuss
> > to build the monstrous bipe with wingspan similar to the big
> > monoplanes, it would be “bigger” and it would fly better. No one
> > wants to deal with that hassle and expense.
> >
> > A 2M bipe is bigger than a 2M monoplane. The 2M being bigger
> will
> > fly better, period. And it will be more expense and it will
> result
> > in some number of current day pattern competitors leaving
> the event.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Dave Lockhart
> >
> > DaveL322 at comcast.net <mailto:DaveL322 at comcast.net>
> >
> >
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> >
> > *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of
> > *Robert Mairs
> > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:26 PM
> > *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
> > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for electrics?
> >
> > I don't buy into the bipe theory. Bipes are a PIA. I
> wouldn't want
> > to spend a half hour setting up and tearing down every day I
> went
> > out flying. If bipes are so dominating why don't you see them on
> > the IMAC circuit? They don't have any size or weight
> restrictions
> > and they strive for the same type performance we do, yet
> they're a
> > rarity. They're nice to see and may show up, but a flight line
> > full of bipes, I doubt it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > *From:* Stuart Chale <mailto:schale at optonline.net>
> >
> > *To:* 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> > <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >
> > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:57 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for
> electrics?
> >
> > Any time a limit has been relaxed; there has been a
> change in
> > airplane size and or design. It is not necessarily immediate
> > but technology seems to adapt to the new limits. Just try to
> > fly one of your 2M designs with a piped 60, or even a
> 120 4C.
> > When 4C limits were increased to 1.2 cubic inches nothing
> > changed. Some brave folks tried 4C but it didn’t work
> until YS
> > came out with a 4C engine that was more powerful than a
> 60 2C
> > engine. Then the planes took a step larger and heavier. When
> > the engine limit was removed planes got larger again. 120 AC
> > engines were now only good for the beginner classes. (An
> > oversimplification). Right now the weight limit works.
> Yes it
> > is a bit harder to make a 2M pattern plane come in under
> 5 kg
> > when made electric but it can be done. A gas engine 2M
> may be
> > even more difficult. Relaxing the weight limit will make it
> > easier for an electric conversion to make weight and make a
> > gas powered version more feasible. But new designs will now
> > show up pushing the new limits. The obvious direction is
> a 2 M
> > bipe. A 14 pound 2 M bipe may present better than a
> monoplane,
> > maybe not. If it does then everyone will “need” or at least
> > want one. If people want to try something new and bigger
> then
> > scrap the weight limit. If not then relaxing the weight
> limit
> > to fit today’s problems will have undesirable effects
> tomorrow J
> >
> > Stuart Chale
> >
> >
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> >
> > *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf
> > Of *vicenterc at comcast.net <mailto:*vicenterc at comcast.net>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:06 PM
> > *To:* NSRCA Mailing List; NSRCA Mailing List
> > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for
> electrics?
> >
> > I understood that the definition of model airplane
> states that
> > weigh has to be below 5 Kg. That is consider international.
> > The only exception is the scale that is a little higher.
> I am
> > not sure if this single reason is going to make difficult to
> > change the rule for F3A. For sure is going to help the gas
> > engines. I don't think electric power plants are having a
> > weigh problem.
> >
> > Vicente Bortone
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "John Ferrell" <johnferrell at earthlink.net
> <mailto:johnferrell at earthlink.net>>
> >
> > Yummy! Big Biplanes are coming in quantity!
> >
> > John Ferrell W8CCW
> > "My Competition is not my enemy"
> > http://DixieNC.US <http://dixienc.us/>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > *From:* Bdrtschiger Urs
> > <mailto:baertschiger-tai at bluewin.ch>
> >
> > *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
> > <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >
> > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:17 AM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for
> > electrics?
> >
> > This subject has been adressed officially. Based on
> > what I have been told, the weight limit for F3A will
> > be dropped with the next rules changes. What will
> > remain however, is the 2M by 2M box.
> >
> > Urs
> >
> > NSRCA #3069
> >
> >
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