[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries

Fri Mar 31 06:13:19 AKST 2006

Are you doing it yourself? Big deal? No?

Richard

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]  On Behalf Of Robert Mairs
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300 flights your not gonna have a gear box left.  They're recommending 50
now.  Last one seemed a little dry at 50 to me, so I'm going 40 now.
Bob

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From: "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries

>I would put the wings on and batteries in at the car, lug it, another set
>of
> batts, and the transmitter out to the flightline, fly, remove that set,
> put
> in the second, run the first set to the car to charge, fly, remove the
> second set, put in the third, run the second set to the car, bitch that
> the
> first set wasn't quite done, fly, take the third set out, run to the car,
> exchange the first set for the second set, install the first again and
> fly,
> take the airplane and trans back to the car, remove wings, load and go
> home.
> Several times from the time I left work and the time I got home was right
> at
> 2 hours total and the field is roughly 20 mins away to and from.  4 flts
> in
> about an hour and 15 mins. with 3 sets at 1C charge rate.  5 flts would
> start to stretch things out.  I left the scene about the time balancing
> started to hit stride.  At 1.5 C you could get 5-6 in 2hours or so.  No
> field box, tools, fuel, starter, paper towels and Windex, extra trips to
> the
> car to get going; no clean up and hauling it all back to the car.   Of
> course, there were more social evenings that took more time-but if I was
> 'on
> a mission' to practice with limited time, the guys understood.  BTW, the
> Hackers and Master controllers did just fine temperature wise.  Things
> seemed so reliable in that department that I had asked Hacker how long b4
> I
> have to do some service on the motor and gearbox-they said to send it back
> about every 300 flts and they'd clean and regrease the gear-set, replace
> if
> needed(15.00), and the motor would run almost indefinitely.  With the
> exception of installing the wings, it's like flying foamies-you do the
> same
> stuff-just a little bigger.  Speaking of Chip, I noticed he processed 5
> sets
> at the Worlds'.  Man, that's livin'!   A small red Honda may be in my
> future....
>
> Richard
>
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]  On Behalf Of J.Oddino
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:47 PM
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>
> Richard, can you explain why you got so many more flights in a given
> amount
> of field time.  Less tinkering or what?  I've heard Chip make similar
> comments.
>
> Jim O
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com>
> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>
>
>> There is a World of difference between a sport flyer and a pattern guy.
>> Again, once I got programmed in what it took to practice and the
> relatively
>> small amount of time it took, I was able to go out and get 35-50 flights
>> a
>> week-I 'found' 1 1/2 to 2 hours more often as opposed to the 3-4 it used
> to
>> take and practiced more.  At that rate, when a guy gives you a 6 mo.
>> guarantee-he'd better know the score-and what you expect in service
>> turn-around.  Unlike a sport guy who flies 3-8 or so flights a weekend
> where
>> a 6 mo. guarantee would be reasonable.  I think many of the folks who are
> in
>> the battery business go from their experience as sport flyers and not
> fairly
>> serious pattern fiends where practice-practice-practice is such a large
>> component of probable success.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]  On Behalf Of Stuart
> Chale
>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:27 AM
>> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>>
>> George has been quick with email responses and very courteous, but it
>> doesn't seem like he has the answers either.  I can't find his original
>> email but he was unable to say that there are people with over 100 cycles
> on
>> a pack.  He is convinced that their technology is better than TP but will
>> that translate into a longer life span?  It seems like we are being asked
> to
>> test batteries for the manufacturers instead of them testing their
> products
>> under our conditions.
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Earl Haury
>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:58 AM
>> To: chad at f3acanada.org; NSRCA Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>>
>> Chad
>>
>> Your questions are probably best answered by Falcon
>> George at FalconBatteries.com . I think that you'll find George quite open
> with
>>
>> info, and I'd like to see your assessment of his answers.
>>
>> Earl
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chad Northeast" <chadnortheast at shaw.ca>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>>
>>
>> > Earl
>> >
>> > Does the Falcon warranty cover simply manufacturers defects...or will
> they
>>
>> > replace any abuse/over charged/overdischarge/cycled out pack?
>> >
>> > I can't honestly believe that a manufacturer will replace every pack
> that
>> > fails, or they will be out of business in a short period of time :)  If
>> > that is the case I can buy 4 sets of packs and never again purchase
>> > another battery for as long as they will supply them regardless of
> usage.
>> >
>> > Just looking for some clarification on their warranty statement.
>> >
>> > Do you know who is making the cells?  Their other packs are APL I
>> > believe...wondering if they went to Enerland (like Apogee/Tanic/Flight
>> > Power) did for the higher C cells.
>> >
>> > Chad
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Grow Pattern <pattern4u at comcast.net>
>> > Date: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:26 am
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>> >
>> >> Earl,
>> >>         You raise a very interesting point, What is sponsored?
>> >>
>> >> I used to think it was either that you got paid to fly by a
>> >> manufacturer/supplier/business, or that you got your equipment
>> >> free. But
>> >> what if, for example, you got a discount on your OS 1.40 EFI ,or
>> >> free fuel
>> >> etc. Or another would be that you bought and built a plane but
>> >> your
>> >> batteries were post gratis.
>> >>
>> >> This could be harder to define than a pattern snap-roll. Hmmmm?
>> >>
>> >> To be clear to the potentially-paranoid-pattern-people",  I am
>> >> interested
>> >> for my own edification. (No hidden agenda). I do get asked my
>> >> opinion on
>> >> certain subjects and when I am not sure, I ask for my opinion :-)
>> >>
>> >> I would also add that many of the responses to the electric issues
>> >> that I
>> >> have raised have given me a much better and more balanced view
>> >> than the one
>> >> I had a few months ago.
>> >>
>> >> So, thanks in advance,
>> >>
>> >> Eric.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Earl Haury" <ehaury at houston.rr.com>
>> >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:04 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Stuart
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm using the first 4 packs sold. I've 48 cycles on one set 18
>> >> on the
>> >> > other.
>> >> > So far they've been fine, very little (if any) balancing
>> >> activity. Don't
>> >> > have any idea what the cycle life will be - only time will tell.
>> >> As the
>> >> > weather improves, opportunity for more flying will accelerate cycle
>> >> > accumulation a bunch. I hope that there's no need to exercise their
>> >> > warranty, but it's a nice feature.
>> >> >
>> >> > Just so there's no misunderstanding - I gathered flight data to
>> >> help
>> >> > Falcon
>> >> > define the pack parameters and received a bit of a discount
>> >> (that local
>> >> > sales tax mitigated) for that work. Don't know if that's considered
>> >> > "sponsored", but I'm using them because they work and Falcon
>> >> provides> excellent service. (I understand that they had some
>> >> website problems
>> >> > recently, if anyone has problems with it - a phone call will work.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Earl
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Stuart Chale" <schale at optonline.net>
>> >> > To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:32 AM
>> >> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Is anyone using the Falcon F3A cells advertised in the K-
>> >> Factor?  Is
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> any track record behind them?
>> >> >> Thanks,
>> >> >> Stuart
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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