[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries

Chad Northeast chad at f3acanada.org
Thu Mar 30 16:18:17 AKST 2006


LOL....ya now I know what you are talking about!!

I knew I didnt want to put grease in my "gear" box! LOL

Chad

Rex LESHER wrote:

> it's where we keep our extra stuff, like tools, sunblock, you know, 
> "gear" box...
>  
> Rex
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Chad Northeast <mailto:chad at f3acanada.org>
>     *To:* NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:58 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>
>     Gearbox...what the h&% is a gearbox ;-)
>
>     Robert Mairs wrote:
>
>     >300 flights your not gonna have a gear box left.  They're
>     recommending 50
>     >now.  Last one seemed a little dry at 50 to me, so I'm going 40 now.
>     >Bob
>     >
>     >
>     >----- Original Message -----
>     >From: "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com
>     <mailto:richard.s at allied-callaway.com>>
>     >To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>     >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:02 PM
>     >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>     >
>     >
>     > 
>     >
>     >>I would put the wings on and batteries in at the car, lug it,
>     another set
>     >>of
>     >>batts, and the transmitter out to the flightline, fly, remove
>     that set,
>     >>put
>     >>in the second, run the first set to the car to charge, fly,
>     remove the
>     >>second set, put in the third, run the second set to the car,
>     bitch that
>     >>the
>     >>first set wasn't quite done, fly, take the third set out, run to
>     the car,
>     >>exchange the first set for the second set, install the first
>     again and
>     >>fly,
>     >>take the airplane and trans back to the car, remove wings, load
>     and go
>     >>home.
>     >>Several times from the time I left work and the time I got home
>     was right
>     >>at
>     >>2 hours total and the field is roughly 20 mins away to and
>     from.  4 flts
>     >>in
>     >>about an hour and 15 mins. with 3 sets at 1C charge rate.  5
>     flts would
>     >>start to stretch things out.  I left the scene about the time
>     balancing
>     >>started to hit stride.  At 1.5 C you could get 5-6 in 2hours or
>     so.  No
>     >>field box, tools, fuel, starter, paper towels and Windex, extra
>     trips to
>     >>the
>     >>car to get going; no clean up and hauling it all back to the
>     car.   Of
>     >>course, there were more social evenings that took more time-but
>     if I was
>     >>'on
>     >>a mission' to practice with limited time, the guys understood. 
>     BTW, the
>     >>Hackers and Master controllers did just fine temperature wise. 
>     Things
>     >>seemed so reliable in that department that I had asked Hacker
>     how long b4
>     >>I
>     >>have to do some service on the motor and gearbox-they said to
>     send it back
>     >>about every 300 flts and they'd clean and regrease the gear-set,
>     replace
>     >>if
>     >>needed(15.00), and the motor would run almost indefinitely. 
>     With the
>     >>exception of installing the wings, it's like flying foamies-you
>     do the
>     >>same
>     >>stuff-just a little bigger.  Speaking of Chip, I noticed he
>     processed 5
>     >>sets
>     >>at the Worlds'.  Man, that's livin'!   A small red Honda may be
>     in my
>     >>future....
>     >>
>     >>Richard
>     >>
>     >>-----Original Message-----
>     >>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>     >>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]  On Behalf Of
>     J.Oddino
>     >>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:47 PM
>     >>To: NSRCA Mailing List
>     >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>     >>
>     >>Richard, can you explain why you got so many more flights in a
>     given
>     >>amount
>     >>of field time.  Less tinkering or what?  I've heard Chip make
>     similar
>     >>comments.
>     >>
>     >>Jim O
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>----- Original Message -----
>     >>From: "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com
>     <mailto:richard.s at allied-callaway.com>>
>     >>To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>     >>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:17 AM
>     >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>There is a World of difference between a sport flyer and a
>     pattern guy.
>     >>>Again, once I got programmed in what it took to practice and the
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>relatively
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>small amount of time it took, I was able to go out and get
>     35-50 flights
>     >>>a
>     >>>week-I 'found' 1 1/2 to 2 hours more often as opposed to the
>     3-4 it used
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>to
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>take and practiced more.  At that rate, when a guy gives you a
>     6 mo.
>     >>>guarantee-he'd better know the score-and what you expect in service
>     >>>turn-around.  Unlike a sport guy who flies 3-8 or so flights a
>     weekend
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>where
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>a 6 mo. guarantee would be reasonable.  I think many of the
>     folks who are
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>in
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>the battery business go from their experience as sport flyers
>     and not
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>fairly
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>serious pattern fiends where practice-practice-practice is such
>     a large
>     >>>component of probable success.
>     >>>
>     >>>Richard
>     >>>
>     >>> -----Original Message-----
>     >>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>     >>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]  On Behalf Of
>     Stuart
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>Chale
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:27 AM
>     >>>To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
>     >>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>     >>>
>     >>>George has been quick with email responses and very courteous,
>     but it
>     >>>doesn't seem like he has the answers either.  I can't find his
>     original
>     >>>email but he was unable to say that there are people with over
>     100 cycles
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>on
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>a pack.  He is convinced that their technology is better than
>     TP but will
>     >>>that translate into a longer life span?  It seems like we are
>     being asked
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>to
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>test batteries for the manufacturers instead of them testing their
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>products
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>under our conditions.
>     >>>
>     >>>Stuart
>     >>>
>     >>>-----Original Message-----
>     >>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>     >>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
>     Earl Haury
>     >>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:58 AM
>     >>>To: chad at f3acanada.org <mailto:chad at f3acanada.org>; NSRCA
>     Mailing List
>     >>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>     >>>
>     >>>Chad
>     >>>
>     >>>Your questions are probably best answered by Falcon
>     >>>George at FalconBatteries.com . I think that you'll find George
>     quite open
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>with
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>info, and I'd like to see your assessment of his answers.
>     >>>
>     >>>Earl
>     >>>
>     >>>----- Original Message -----
>     >>>From: "Chad Northeast" <chadnortheast at shaw.ca
>     <mailto:chadnortheast at shaw.ca>>
>     >>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>     >>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:42 AM
>     >>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>>>Earl
>     >>>>
>     >>>>Does the Falcon warranty cover simply manufacturers
>     defects...or will
>     >>>>       
>     >>>>
>     >>they
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>>replace any abuse/over charged/overdischarge/cycled out pack?
>     >>>>
>     >>>>I can't honestly believe that a manufacturer will replace
>     every pack
>     >>>>       
>     >>>>
>     >>that
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>>fails, or they will be out of business in a short period of
>     time :)  If
>     >>>>that is the case I can buy 4 sets of packs and never again
>     purchase
>     >>>>another battery for as long as they will supply them regardless of
>     >>>>       
>     >>>>
>     >>usage.
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>>Just looking for some clarification on their warranty statement.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>Do you know who is making the cells?  Their other packs are APL I
>     >>>>believe...wondering if they went to Enerland (like
>     Apogee/Tanic/Flight
>     >>>>Power) did for the higher C cells.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>Chad
>     >>>>
>     >>>>----- Original Message -----
>     >>>>From: Grow Pattern <pattern4u at comcast.net
>     <mailto:pattern4u at comcast.net>>
>     >>>>Date: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:26 am
>     >>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>     >>>>
>     >>>>       
>     >>>>
>     >>>>>Earl,
>     >>>>>        You raise a very interesting point, What is sponsored?
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>I used to think it was either that you got paid to fly by a
>     >>>>>manufacturer/supplier/business, or that you got your equipment
>     >>>>>free. But
>     >>>>>what if, for example, you got a discount on your OS 1.40 EFI ,or
>     >>>>>free fuel
>     >>>>>etc. Or another would be that you bought and built a plane but
>     >>>>>your
>     >>>>>batteries were post gratis.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>This could be harder to define than a pattern snap-roll. Hmmmm?
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>To be clear to the potentially-paranoid-pattern-people",  I am
>     >>>>>interested
>     >>>>>for my own edification. (No hidden agenda). I do get asked my
>     >>>>>opinion on
>     >>>>>certain subjects and when I am not sure, I ask for my opinion :-)
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>I would also add that many of the responses to the electric
>     issues
>     >>>>>that I
>     >>>>>have raised have given me a much better and more balanced view
>     >>>>>than the one
>     >>>>>I had a few months ago.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>So, thanks in advance,
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>Eric.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>----- Original Message -----
>     >>>>>From: "Earl Haury" <ehaury at houston.rr.com
>     <mailto:ehaury at houston.rr.com>>
>     >>>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>     >>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:04 AM
>     >>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>         
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>>Stuart
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>I'm using the first 4 packs sold. I've 48 cycles on one set 18
>     >>>>>>           
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>on the
>     >>>>>         
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>>other.
>     >>>>>>So far they've been fine, very little (if any) balancing
>     >>>>>>           
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>activity. Don't
>     >>>>>         
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>>have any idea what the cycle life will be - only time will tell.
>     >>>>>>           
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>As the
>     >>>>>         
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>>weather improves, opportunity for more flying will
>     accelerate cycle
>     >>>>>>accumulation a bunch. I hope that there's no need to
>     exercise their
>     >>>>>>warranty, but it's a nice feature.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>Just so there's no misunderstanding - I gathered flight data to
>     >>>>>>           
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>help
>     >>>>>         
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>>Falcon
>     >>>>>>define the pack parameters and received a bit of a discount
>     >>>>>>           
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>(that local
>     >>>>>         
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>>sales tax mitigated) for that work. Don't know if that's
>     considered
>     >>>>>>"sponsored", but I'm using them because they work and Falcon
>     >>>>>>           
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>provides> excellent service. (I understand that they had some
>     >>>>>website problems
>     >>>>>         
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>>recently, if anyone has problems with it - a phone call will
>     work.)
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>Earl
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>     >>>>>>From: "Stuart Chale" <schale at optonline.net
>     <mailto:schale at optonline.net>>
>     >>>>>>To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>     >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:32 AM
>     >>>>>>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>           
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>Is anyone using the Falcon F3A cells advertised in the K-
>     >>>>>>>             
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>Factor?  Is
>     >>>>>         
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>>>there
>     >>>>>>>any track record behind them?
>     >>>>>>>Thanks,
>     >>>>>>>Stuart
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>
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