[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
Chad Northeast
chad at f3acanada.org
Thu Mar 30 16:18:17 AKST 2006
LOL....ya now I know what you are talking about!!
I knew I didnt want to put grease in my "gear" box! LOL
Chad
Rex LESHER wrote:
> it's where we keep our extra stuff, like tools, sunblock, you know,
> "gear" box...
>
> Rex
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Chad Northeast <mailto:chad at f3acanada.org>
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>
> Gearbox...what the h&% is a gearbox ;-)
>
> Robert Mairs wrote:
>
> >300 flights your not gonna have a gear box left. They're
> recommending 50
> >now. Last one seemed a little dry at 50 to me, so I'm going 40 now.
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com
> <mailto:richard.s at allied-callaway.com>>
> >To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:02 PM
> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I would put the wings on and batteries in at the car, lug it,
> another set
> >>of
> >>batts, and the transmitter out to the flightline, fly, remove
> that set,
> >>put
> >>in the second, run the first set to the car to charge, fly,
> remove the
> >>second set, put in the third, run the second set to the car,
> bitch that
> >>the
> >>first set wasn't quite done, fly, take the third set out, run to
> the car,
> >>exchange the first set for the second set, install the first
> again and
> >>fly,
> >>take the airplane and trans back to the car, remove wings, load
> and go
> >>home.
> >>Several times from the time I left work and the time I got home
> was right
> >>at
> >>2 hours total and the field is roughly 20 mins away to and
> from. 4 flts
> >>in
> >>about an hour and 15 mins. with 3 sets at 1C charge rate. 5
> flts would
> >>start to stretch things out. I left the scene about the time
> balancing
> >>started to hit stride. At 1.5 C you could get 5-6 in 2hours or
> so. No
> >>field box, tools, fuel, starter, paper towels and Windex, extra
> trips to
> >>the
> >>car to get going; no clean up and hauling it all back to the
> car. Of
> >>course, there were more social evenings that took more time-but
> if I was
> >>'on
> >>a mission' to practice with limited time, the guys understood.
> BTW, the
> >>Hackers and Master controllers did just fine temperature wise.
> Things
> >>seemed so reliable in that department that I had asked Hacker
> how long b4
> >>I
> >>have to do some service on the motor and gearbox-they said to
> send it back
> >>about every 300 flts and they'd clean and regrease the gear-set,
> replace
> >>if
> >>needed(15.00), and the motor would run almost indefinitely.
> With the
> >>exception of installing the wings, it's like flying foamies-you
> do the
> >>same
> >>stuff-just a little bigger. Speaking of Chip, I noticed he
> processed 5
> >>sets
> >>at the Worlds'. Man, that's livin'! A small red Honda may be
> in my
> >>future....
> >>
> >>Richard
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> J.Oddino
> >>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:47 PM
> >>To: NSRCA Mailing List
> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> >>
> >>Richard, can you explain why you got so many more flights in a
> given
> >>amount
> >>of field time. Less tinkering or what? I've heard Chip make
> similar
> >>comments.
> >>
> >>Jim O
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com
> <mailto:richard.s at allied-callaway.com>>
> >>To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> >>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:17 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>There is a World of difference between a sport flyer and a
> pattern guy.
> >>>Again, once I got programmed in what it took to practice and the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>relatively
> >>
> >>
> >>>small amount of time it took, I was able to go out and get
> 35-50 flights
> >>>a
> >>>week-I 'found' 1 1/2 to 2 hours more often as opposed to the
> 3-4 it used
> >>>
> >>>
> >>to
> >>
> >>
> >>>take and practiced more. At that rate, when a guy gives you a
> 6 mo.
> >>>guarantee-he'd better know the score-and what you expect in service
> >>>turn-around. Unlike a sport guy who flies 3-8 or so flights a
> weekend
> >>>
> >>>
> >>where
> >>
> >>
> >>>a 6 mo. guarantee would be reasonable. I think many of the
> folks who are
> >>>
> >>>
> >>in
> >>
> >>
> >>>the battery business go from their experience as sport flyers
> and not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>fairly
> >>
> >>
> >>>serious pattern fiends where practice-practice-practice is such
> a large
> >>>component of probable success.
> >>>
> >>>Richard
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> Stuart
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Chale
> >>
> >>
> >>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:27 AM
> >>>To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> >>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> >>>
> >>>George has been quick with email responses and very courteous,
> but it
> >>>doesn't seem like he has the answers either. I can't find his
> original
> >>>email but he was unable to say that there are people with over
> 100 cycles
> >>>
> >>>
> >>on
> >>
> >>
> >>>a pack. He is convinced that their technology is better than
> TP but will
> >>>that translate into a longer life span? It seems like we are
> being asked
> >>>
> >>>
> >>to
> >>
> >>
> >>>test batteries for the manufacturers instead of them testing their
> >>>
> >>>
> >>products
> >>
> >>
> >>>under our conditions.
> >>>
> >>>Stuart
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> Earl Haury
> >>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:58 AM
> >>>To: chad at f3acanada.org <mailto:chad at f3acanada.org>; NSRCA
> Mailing List
> >>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> >>>
> >>>Chad
> >>>
> >>>Your questions are probably best answered by Falcon
> >>>George at FalconBatteries.com . I think that you'll find George
> quite open
> >>>
> >>>
> >>with
> >>
> >>
> >>>info, and I'd like to see your assessment of his answers.
> >>>
> >>>Earl
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Chad Northeast" <chadnortheast at shaw.ca
> <mailto:chadnortheast at shaw.ca>>
> >>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> >>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:42 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Earl
> >>>>
> >>>>Does the Falcon warranty cover simply manufacturers
> defects...or will
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>they
> >>
> >>
> >>>>replace any abuse/over charged/overdischarge/cycled out pack?
> >>>>
> >>>>I can't honestly believe that a manufacturer will replace
> every pack
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>that
> >>
> >>
> >>>>fails, or they will be out of business in a short period of
> time :) If
> >>>>that is the case I can buy 4 sets of packs and never again
> purchase
> >>>>another battery for as long as they will supply them regardless of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>usage.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Just looking for some clarification on their warranty statement.
> >>>>
> >>>>Do you know who is making the cells? Their other packs are APL I
> >>>>believe...wondering if they went to Enerland (like
> Apogee/Tanic/Flight
> >>>>Power) did for the higher C cells.
> >>>>
> >>>>Chad
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: Grow Pattern <pattern4u at comcast.net
> <mailto:pattern4u at comcast.net>>
> >>>>Date: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:26 am
> >>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Earl,
> >>>>> You raise a very interesting point, What is sponsored?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I used to think it was either that you got paid to fly by a
> >>>>>manufacturer/supplier/business, or that you got your equipment
> >>>>>free. But
> >>>>>what if, for example, you got a discount on your OS 1.40 EFI ,or
> >>>>>free fuel
> >>>>>etc. Or another would be that you bought and built a plane but
> >>>>>your
> >>>>>batteries were post gratis.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>This could be harder to define than a pattern snap-roll. Hmmmm?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>To be clear to the potentially-paranoid-pattern-people", I am
> >>>>>interested
> >>>>>for my own edification. (No hidden agenda). I do get asked my
> >>>>>opinion on
> >>>>>certain subjects and when I am not sure, I ask for my opinion :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I would also add that many of the responses to the electric
> issues
> >>>>>that I
> >>>>>have raised have given me a much better and more balanced view
> >>>>>than the one
> >>>>>I had a few months ago.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>So, thanks in advance,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Eric.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>From: "Earl Haury" <ehaury at houston.rr.com
> <mailto:ehaury at houston.rr.com>>
> >>>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> >>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:04 AM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Stuart
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I'm using the first 4 packs sold. I've 48 cycles on one set 18
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>on the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>other.
> >>>>>>So far they've been fine, very little (if any) balancing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>activity. Don't
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>have any idea what the cycle life will be - only time will tell.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>As the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>weather improves, opportunity for more flying will
> accelerate cycle
> >>>>>>accumulation a bunch. I hope that there's no need to
> exercise their
> >>>>>>warranty, but it's a nice feature.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Just so there's no misunderstanding - I gathered flight data to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>help
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Falcon
> >>>>>>define the pack parameters and received a bit of a discount
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>(that local
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>sales tax mitigated) for that work. Don't know if that's
> considered
> >>>>>>"sponsored", but I'm using them because they work and Falcon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>provides> excellent service. (I understand that they had some
> >>>>>website problems
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>recently, if anyone has problems with it - a phone call will
> work.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Earl
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>From: "Stuart Chale" <schale at optonline.net
> <mailto:schale at optonline.net>>
> >>>>>>To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:32 AM
> >>>>>>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Is anyone using the Falcon F3A cells advertised in the K-
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>Factor? Is
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>there
> >>>>>>>any track record behind them?
> >>>>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>>>Stuart
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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