[NSRCA-discussion] Fuel Regulation in 2C Engines

[jivey61 at bellsouth.net]

Vicente
I use the cline on a Webra 145 with the Greves pipe set-up and it works perfect.Take the pump off and replace it with a  standard backplate and install a pressure nipple in the backplate.Install a check valve and you have a YS regulator setup,basically.
Mount the regulater as close to the carb as possible.I mounted it on the side of the motor mount. This setup spreads out the needle sensitivity and makes the needle not so touchy, as it is, with the pump pressure on both low and high adjustments.
After many headaches and confusing things that happened with this engine,this is the best way I could make it run consistant.Besides having to replace bearings,the engine has been bulletproof for 3 years.

Jim Ivey


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: vicenterc at comcast.net 
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  Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel Regulation in 2C Engines


  Good point.  No, I never tried in 2 C.  I used the Cline regulator long time ago in a Saito engine with not good results (sport plane).  Base on feedback from others those two system do not work properly in pattern applications.  However, any new feedback is welcome.

  Vicente


    -------------- Original message -------------- 
    From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net> 

    Vicente,

    Have you thought about switching to a Iron Bay or Cline regulator?  It's a thought, I believe these systems operate more like a YS than a Perry does.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: vicenterc at comcast.net 
      To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
      Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:19 AM
      Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel Regulation in 2C Engines


      Good morning all,

      I have been using the OS 160, OS 140 RX and Mintor 140 with good results in the last 4-5 years.  We have been comparing and discussing the advantages of YS compared with 2C.  One of the main advantages of YS is that in transition when power down the engine goes instantly to 2000 RPM or less.  The 2C engines always takes too much time to get down to idle and I believe that causes us (in pattern) some problems.    

      I have been thinking that the problem is that the carburetor and or fuel system that can not regulate properly (pressure or flow).  I think in these engines, the pumps are set to deliver fuel at full flow (or pressure) without any regulation system (like the YS).  I had the opportunity to discuss this issue with Perry Pump and they recommended to install a by-pass line.  The idea is to send the excess fuel (pressure) back to the tank during transition.  Perry Pump recommended to install the T as close as possible to the carburetor needle valve.  Also in their web site they have an idea that he said is used for cars that is a by-pass line that loop around the pump (http://www.perrypumps.com/instructions.htm,  Click on Pump and By-Pass Systems).  I think the ideas deserve some checking since it is natural to have this type of regulation to maintain constant press! ! ure in the line before needle valve.  I tried the other day the by-pass to the carburetor but I installed the T too far from the carburetor and forgot to open the vent in the tank.  Of  course the results were bad since I was developing vacuum in the tank.  I will try these options of by-pass lines as soon as get warmer.  However, I think someone out there already tried to do this and know results so I am looking for feed back.

      Thanks in advance,

      Vicente Bortone



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