[NSRCA-discussion] Rainout Contests...

[Jim Woodward]

I like the way Jerry Budd handled the wind-outs in Lancaster.  You get
everyone together so see when to come back - but make EVERY attempt to get
at least one round in to register a contest.  

Jim W.



-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:13 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rainout Contests...

I have been following this thread with interest . . .
. . it demonstrates how difficult, if not impossible
it is to please the majority, let alone everybody. On
the flip side of this thread, I have been asked why we
need to hold two day events. Some have asked for
Saturday only, others Sunday only ala control line
aerobatics. Family/Church/Work commitments prevent
some from attending both days of a weekend event. 


--- mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>   Mark, thanks for clarifying what I was actually
> attempting to say. After I made my comments
> yesterday I went flying. Somehow Frankie had heard
> that I was a little po'd. I told him that my anger
> was in no way directed at either him or Tommy. It's
> just a general comment on what I have observed. Oh
> ya your right about the peer pressure influencing
> many, Mike Mueller
> 
> "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:     
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>  Larry, I think the issue is less about Muncie than
> the general topic.  Muncie at 8am appeared to be a
> complete washout.  It was WAY more obvious than
> usual.Forecast was for up to an inch of rain over
> the next 12 hours and probably more on Sunday. 
> Calling it was horribly unfortunate as we had such a
> big crowd from so many areas, but probably the right
> thing given the information available.
>    
>   I think Mike's point has more to due with less
> obvious situations, and the general "let's get home
> early" attitude that's become the norm.  Forget
> weather.we get the same issue at the district
> championship regarding flying a 6th round.  With 40+
> contestants, and 2 flight lines, with an average of
> 9 minutes per pilot, it takes 3 hours per round. 
> With GREAT weather. that's 9 hours of flying both
> days with no breaks.  We get the sun in the box at
> 4:30 - 5pm.so even with a militaristic 8:30am start,
> and rigid attention to flight lines (Everyone does a
> great job at this I must add)  we're pressed to
> finish anything more than 3 rounds on Saturday.    
> We could also fly 3 rounds on Sunday.but we'd likely
> not finish until 4pm or so.  That seems to be
> unacceptable to most anymore.    I realize that many
> come from a great distance for this event (we like
> to think it's all about the steak roast and night
> fly! J ), but there are some who are scratching for
> that last round in hopes
>  of pulling out a win, and maybe a district
> championship.
>    
>   I know I've left before some contests have ended
> because of other commitments.  That's my choice, and
> if I have to sacrifice a round.then that's my
> choice.  Bob Kane often chooses to sacrifice the
> first round of Sunday flying to attend church.     I
> guess my point is maybe Mike's right.and we have to
> weight the "Contest" as a whole more heavily.  and
> do our very best to complete them.     The pilot
> "vote" has value, but let's face it.there's a lot of
> peer pressure from those who's current standings
> won't change, or maybe even those that will, but who
> are in the better position at present.to call it a
> day.
>    
>   Let's face it.MOST of the time, we're able to
> finish up 6 rounds by 2pm or so..so it's not a big
> deal most contests.  On the few that do run
> long.maybe we need to suck it up for the exception
> and lose a little sleep.
>    
>   -Mark
>    
>       
> ---------------------------------
>   
>   From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Lisa & Larry
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:32 PM
> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations
> D5,proud holders of the Ryder trophy for 2006
> 
>    
>   My initial take is that I agree with Verne if a
> mistake was made, we own it. I was there when the
> vote was made. If someone had thoughts to continue
> the contest it could have been brought up. Many
> people were there earlier and had left the field for
> one reason or another (not necessarily to go home,
> but to kill time). 
>    
>   Looking back, I think that there is room for
> improvement. Perhaps the best thing to do was for
> the CD's to be at the field at the correct time for
> starting the contest no matter what the conditions
> are, and not let anyone leave for any reason if
> there is a cancellation concern. This way they can
> work to keep all pilots in the area so a debate can
> be heard. A decision could then be made to allow
> folks to check out of there hotel room and meet back
> at the field to see if any flying could be done.
> This would allow everyone the flexibility to check
> back in a hotel if we hold the contest without the
> risk of any unnecessary loss of money by not
> checking out.
>    
>   "People needing to leave early on Sunday", is not
> a good argument to cancel a contest if the rain is
> bad on Saturday. If you can get a contest in
> regardless of the time on Sunday's end, provided the
> majority of folks want it, then that is what should
> be done. My point is that everybody knows their own
> situation. For those who took the time and made the
> commitment to stick it out, they deserve to have a
> full contest benefit even if it's a couple of rounds
> to make a contest.
>    
>   I'm on the fence with regards to the Muncie
> cancellation. I would have been ok with either call.
> If a cancellation is immanent, the sooner it's
> called the better. It's always easier to second
> guess the decision after the fact knowing how it
> turned out. I wonder how many people would be ticked
> if the Muncie contest wasn't cancelled and we
> couldn't get any rounds in due to rain on Sunday
> also? Lisa and I stayed in the area. There wouldn't
> have been enough time to get a complete round in on
> Saturday for all classes. I don't know about Sunday.
>    
>   Larry
>    
>       
> ---------------------------------
>   
>   From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Verne Koester
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:55 PM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations
> D5,proud holders of the Ryder trophy for 2006
> 
>    
>     For the record, Tom and Frank polled those who
> were there before they called it. If it was a
> mistake, everyone standing there owns it, including
> me.
> 
>      
> 
>     Verne
> 
>       ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
>     From: DoWayne Gould 
> 
>     To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' 
> 
>     Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:50 PM
> 
>     Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations
> D5,proud holders of the Ryder trophy for 2006
> 
>      
> 
>   As a CD that may have to make this call in the
> future I am watching this thread closely. I make it
> to all the contests that I can afford the time and
> money to attend.  I was at Muncie when the rain
> started at around 2:30am. It was still raining
> steady at 10am with no clearing in sight. I would
> not want to stand around all day in the rain for the
> outside chance that the weather would clear long
> enough to get a round or two in. The forecast for
> Sunday was for a better chance of rain. I think Tom
> and Frank did the right thing calling the contest
> and let everyone salvage there weekend.
>   As for staying late on Sunday to finish or start a
> contest, I work third shift and have to be at work
> at midnight Sunday. That means if I get started to a
> contest at 7am and awards are given around 7pm and I
> have a 2 to 3 hour drive, it doesn't leave much
> family and rest time before work. Taking Monday's
> off for may be OK for some but others like me get
> paid for being there, if I don't work I lose a days
> pay. No pay equals upset family and no hobby funds.
>   Dowayne
>    
>       
> ---------------------------------
>   
>   From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of george w. kennie
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:53 PM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations
> D5,proud holders of the Ryder trophy for 2006
> 
>    
>     I have to somewhat concur. The most enjoyable
> contest that I ever competed in was a seven rounder.
> We flew 3 rounds on Sunday and I was in favor of one
> more, 
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