[NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations D5, proud holders of the Ryder trophy for 2006

Sun Jun 11 18:33:01 AKDT 2006

My initial take is that I agree with Verne if a mistake was made, we own it.
I was there when the vote was made. If someone had thoughts to continue the
contest it could have been brought up. Many people were there earlier and
had left the field for one reason or another (not necessarily to go home,
but to kill time). 

Looking back, I think that there is room for improvement. Perhaps the best
thing to do was for the CD's to be at the field at the correct time for
starting the contest no matter what the conditions are, and not let anyone
leave for any reason if there is a cancellation concern. This way they can
work to keep all pilots in the area so a debate can be heard. A decision
could then be made to allow folks to check out of there hotel room and meet
back at the field to see if any flying could be done. This would allow
everyone the flexibility to check back in a hotel if we hold the contest
without the risk of any unnecessary loss of money by not checking out.

"People needing to leave early on Sunday", is not a good argument to cancel
a contest if the rain is bad on Saturday. If you can get a contest in
regardless of the time on Sunday's end, provided the majority of folks want
it, then that is what should be done. My point is that everybody knows their
own situation. For those who took the time and made the commitment to stick
it out, they deserve to have a full contest benefit even if it's a couple of
rounds to make a contest.

I'm on the fence with regards to the Muncie cancellation. I would have been
ok with either call. If a cancellation is immanent, the sooner it's called
the better. It's always easier to second guess the decision after the fact
knowing how it turned out. I wonder how many people would be ticked if the
Muncie contest wasn't cancelled and we couldn't get any rounds in due to
rain on Sunday also? Lisa and I stayed in the area. There wouldn't have been
enough time to get a complete round in on Saturday for all classes. I don't
know about Sunday.

Larry

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Verne Koester
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations D5,proud holders of the
Ryder trophy for 2006

For the record, Tom and Frank polled those who were there before they called
it. If it was a mistake, everyone standing there owns it, including me.

Verne

----- Original Message ----- 

From: DoWayne Gould <mailto:iflyrc24 at gmail.com>  

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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:50 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations D5,proud holders of the
Ryder trophy for 2006

As a CD that may have to make this call in the future I am watching this
thread closely. I make it to all the contests that I can afford the time and
money to attend.  I was at Muncie when the rain started at around 2:30am. It
was still raining steady at 10am with no clearing in sight. I would not want
to stand around all day in the rain for the outside chance that the weather
would clear long enough to get a round or two in. The forecast for Sunday
was for a better chance of rain. I think Tom and Frank did the right thing
calling the contest and let everyone salvage there weekend.

As for staying late on Sunday to finish or start a contest, I work third
shift and have to be at work at midnight Sunday. That means if I get started
to a contest at 7am and awards are given around 7pm and I have a 2 to 3 hour
drive, it doesn't leave much family and rest time before work. Taking
Monday's off for may be OK for some but others like me get paid for being
there, if I don't work I lose a days pay. No pay equals upset family and no
hobby funds.

Dowayne

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of george w.
kennie
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations D5,proud holders of the
Ryder trophy for 2006

I have to somewhat concur. The most enjoyable contest that I ever competed
in was a seven rounder. We flew 3 rounds on Sunday and I was in favor of one
more, but got out voted (won the last two rounds and was just getting hot).

----- Original Message ----- 

From: mike mueller <mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>  

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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations D5,proud holders of the
Ryder trophy for 2006

 Del, I see your point. Maybe what we need to do in the future is consider
taking Mondays off instead of Fridays. That way we don't have this situation
on Mondays.

 Look I expect that things will remain the same. I'm not proposing that we
fly late on Sundays I'd just like the option to fly a little later than
normal if mother nature is making things difficult. I'd like it if we would
stop being in such a rush to go home.

 I fly in 6 to 8 contests a year. I spend the rest of the year preparing for
these. Its a big commitment to prepare to compete. I think we may have too
many who don't care about the competition and fail to respect the wishes of
those who do. Maybe we should just change contests to informal get
togethers. Have dinner, BS, complain and fly if you feel like it. I'd have
far less grief that way.

--Mike

"Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> wrote:

Thanks for setting me straight..  Well my view is I need to leave by certain
departure time to get kids and planes to bed so I can get at least 6.5 hours
sleep at minimum..  I always need an 90 minute to get ready and eat before
leaving house for Mondays work. That doesn't not include the 50 minute to
hour commute. So when you do that math means for me I have to depart no
later than 4pm Sunday for contest long drive away.

     Del 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: mike mueller <mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>  

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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:32 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations D5,proud holders of the
Ryder trophy for 2006

 Thanks Del I understand it but in the case of rain shouldn't we have a
different mentallity? Also thanks for the sympathy but the crashes were
Marty Kings and on Friday Larry Auer lost his expensive Pinnacle.

"Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> wrote: 

Hi Mike..

    My heart goes out to you on your terrible loss of a prize plane. 

    I wanted to share my view on the wrapping up early on Sunday at
contests. When people with families travel a distance, 4-6 hours to a
contest and leave at a late hour to be getting up at 5am for work and school
for children next day makes for reason not to attend that contest in future.
I know if a contest did that repeatedly I would stop attending it. 

    I had to be clearheaded and awake when I reported on Monday. Peoples
lives were in the balance. Another view on it.. 

                 Del 
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From: mike mueller <mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>  

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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:23 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations D5,proud holders of the
Ryder trophy for 2006

 Do you realize that this makes 3 straight days that we've had total
washouts at the shootout? This is because we didn't fly last year on Sunday.

 I think that we call contests way too early. It's a shame that we didn't at
least attempt to wait till the afternoon and get in 2 flights. I've been
told that someone actually stayed and flew in the afternoon. We had people
that drove some long distances that dissevered a better attempt.

 I don't get why so many are in such a rush to go home. When did it become a
rule that we have to be done very early on Sundays also. I remember Rough
River in 1987 waiting out the rains on a Sunday and having the award
ceromony in the dusk. Bottom line is we got in a contest. This go home early
stuff is bad.

 What's to say that we couldn't have flown 2 rounds today?

 Is it getting to the point where if the weather forcasts show the slightest
possability of rain that we should just stay home?

 I love coming to contests and seeing all my friends but to be honest its
the flying that I'm there for. 

---Mike

Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote:

Well, the D4-D5 shootout was a washout. Rained all day
today in Muncie with a high probability of the same
tomorrow. In a joint decision between D4 and D5, it
was decided to award the Ryder trophy to D5 due to
their tremendeous effort in recruiting pilots to
represent their district this year. They outnumbered
us handily, and would have probably prevailed had we
had the opportunity to fly. Congratulations and good
work!

I might add that dinner last night on the patio at the
Texas Roadhouse was another one to remember, great
friends and great food. 

The gauntlet has been thrown, it is on D4 to get the
pilots to Muncie next summer to win back the trophy.

Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com

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