[NSRCA-discussion] Carbon fiber shortage

Wed Jul 19 11:01:00 AKDT 2006

Maybe that is why it's so hot at the Nats this year?  There aren't as many
glow engines leaving contrails. . .

On 7/19/06, J.Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>  There was a program on Nova or one of those science things that talked
> about it.  Some Brit did a study for Israel back in the early 50s to measure
> the heat load so they could design their irrigation system.  For some reason
> he went back and did it again within the last few years.  He found that
> there was something like 20% less heat from the sun but no one was
> interested because everyone knows we have global warming.  Then some guys in
> Australia who measure the rate of evaporization got together with him and
> their data correlated very well.  They then showed pictures from space of
> the contrails up and down the Western states and explained how the water
> droplets formed on the jet soot and reflected the sunlight.  A very
> interesting program.  Sounds like we need more high altitude pollution to
> counter global warming.
>
> Jim O
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com>
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:15 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Carbon fiber shortage
>
>
> Actually, I do remember reading about the effects of high-altitude jet
> exhaust in an article about 4 years ago. Seems that after 9-11, someone did
> a study. It was due to an extremely rare moment in history, when no
> airplanes were allowed to fly, at least in the Con US. According the the
> report I read, the effect was measureable.
>
> Bob R.
>
> *Richard Strickland <richard.s at allied-callaway.com>* wrote:
>
>  A thought on a hot day—supposed to be 104 F today in KC.  Has anyone done
> a study on how much fuel gets injected into the upper atmosphere by jets?
>   I know there are PIPELINE(S!) of the stuff going from the Gulf coast to
> the East coast and elsewhere.  You certainly hear about pollution from any
> kind of ground vehicle—but absolutely nuthin' about airline, GA, and
> military transport.  It would seem that a little spread out in the upper
> atmosphere would have a great deal more effect than a lot spread closer to
> the ground.  I AM feeling a little guilty driving a hog, however.  I'm
> thinking 'sacred cow' information suppression—we might have to truly get our
> act together on high-speed mass transit.
>
> Off soapbox--wish I was at the NATS,
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of *Gray E Fowler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:12 AM
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Carbon fiber shortage
>
>
> Tom
>
> Just because those "Road Warrior" movies were film in Australia does not
> mean they are true!  Besides, I love $3/gallon gasoline.
>
> 1. People use less
> 2. Alternatives become cost effective
> 3. Ethanol will replace Gasoline and we can save oil to make CF!
>
> Gray
>
> Hey Gray,
>
> I Think the A380 cant get to Oz fast enough. I think on these long haul
> flight routes it will be a good thing-HOWEVER-personally I'm not too keen to
> get on anything made by Airbus. I shudder every time I have to get on
> one.They seem to have a habit of falling out of the sky. Isn't there some
> kind of joke amongst Airbus pilots? Something along the lines of-'why did it
> do that?'
>
> I believe Australia is also involved with the JSF.  Down here, there has
> been some political debate over it lately, along the lines of, overpriced,
> behind schedule and yesterdays technology.....all good stuff really, cause
> when we run out of oil shortly, no one will be able to afford air travel or
> fill their car with gasoline. I doubt the JSF will be much good to anyone
> either sitting on the tarmac ( unless its powered by anti-matter and
> Dilithium crystals <VBG>)
>
> I think our dependence on the middle east because of its oil will affect
> us all more than we think. Isn't carbon fibre manufacture dependant on oil
> as well? How do they heat those furnaces?
>
> Luckily most of my modelling endeavours will remain  in mostly balsa, and
> maybe the remaining rolls of carbon in my workshop may become  worthwhile
> 'stock' <G>  AND even better, maybe my unbuilt PL kits will appreciate in
> 'value' after all........hehehehehehehe...I wished ..sigh.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> Gray Fowler
> Senior Principal Chemical Engineer
> Radome and Composites Engineering
> Raytheon
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Keith Hoard
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