[NSRCA-discussion] Trimming question

tommu tommu at cleburne.net
Mon Jan 30 12:50:42 AKST 2006 

Has it been ask if the problem is the same regardless of what side is down
there? This could mean a great deal if it is different.

Tom Mullen
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ken Thompson
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Hello Dean,
 
This is why I read all of the list's posts...I like to learn new things.  
 
The sub-fin would go where, under the stab or closer to the nose?  I would
think the placement would make a huge difference in the effect.
 
Ken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dean  <mailto:d.pappas at kodeos.com> Pappas 
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Hi Gang, Hi Ken,
The enswer probably lies in a combo of what Lance and Ron offered.
How much is your buddy willingg to cut or add to fix the problem.
A ventral strake/subfin will be a great experiment, and I am sure that a
bunch of us would like to hear the results.
Raising the stab would be terribly invasive, and also interesting.
Make sure the ship flies with a styraight elevator first.
later,
Dean
 
 

Dean Pappas 
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Kodeos Communications 
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Ken,
Not always. In level flight the neg incidence will require up trim. In KE
flight, the tail has an increased weighting in the balance of forces and
this uptrim can be more than needed.
--Lance
 
 
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-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net> 

> Wouldn't negative incidence cause it to push to the gear, not the canopy? 
> 
> Ken 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lance Van Nostrand" 
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" 
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:40 AM 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Trimming question 
> 
> 
> > Not many responses to this one, but here's my thought. The wing
incidence 
> > is way negative and the CG is aft. I got myself into that situation once

> > and didn't catch it for a while. Inverted flight was fine but the plane 
> > was 
> > squirrely and the up elv trim was more effective in knife edge than
level 
> > flight, resultin! g in canopy pull. 
> > --Lance 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John Pavlick" 
> > To: "NSRCA Discussion" 
> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:31 PM 
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Trimming question 
> > 
> > 
> >> Ok here's a good one. The owner of the L.H.S. asked me what I thought 
> >> about 
> >> this and I couldn't come up with a good answer. He has a Hangar 9 Ugly 
> >> Stik - the real big one. I can't remember exactly what it's called.
Guess 
> >> it 
> >> has a gas motor in it. It's big. He says he has it trimmed so it will
fly 
> >> inverted with just a very slight bit of down elevator (almost none).
Ok, 
> >> so 
> >> it's not nose heavy, maybe even a little tail heavy. Now, when he flies

> >&! gt; it 
> >> knife edge (either side) it pulls severely to the canopy. I mean like
it 
> >> will fly a complete circle. It needs almost 3/4 down elevator to fly 
> >> straight. It's beyond a mix - fix. He also says that it has a bit of
roll 
> >> couple when flying level (not knife edge) but it doesn't pitch severely

> >> up 
> >> or down under these conditions. Any thoughts? I guess you can rule out 
> >> C.G. 
> >> because if anything it should pull to the belly considering how it's 
> >> trimmed 
> >> to fly level upright and inverted. I haven't flown it so I can't add
too 
> >> much more. He builds OK so I don't think there's anything way out of 
> >> alignment, but again I haven't seen it yet so maybe there is. What
should 
> >> I 
> >> look for if I get my hands on it to try and help him? 
> >> 
> >> John Pavlick 
> >> http://www.idseng! .com 
> >> 
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