[NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Toyota
Joe Lachowski
jlachow at hotmail.com
Thu Jan 26 14:27:00 AKST 2006
Yup, a 2 meter fits in a Malibu Maxx. It's my everyday car. Ford E-150(a 98
w/only 45K on it) is my airplane carrier. Maxx also gets 30 mpg on a long
trip. I average 26 local and going back and forth to work. I've used the
Malibu for the contest trail at least once. Unfortunately, you can only
carry one 2M. Hmmm, I believe the Malibu is on a Saab chassis.<g>
>From: "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com>
>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Toyota
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:50:56 -0600
>
>Uncle helped push SUVs(or any truck) over 6000 pounds with a 100% one year
>write off. I thought that was pretty stupid--but I took advantage of it.
>Can't blame the manufacturers for building what folks are buying. The Yukon
>has excellent quality--gets about twice the mileage (still comparatively
>lousy) it would have 10-15 years ago--is quiet and pretty comfortable.
>
>On another note--most any repetitive lifting of parts or tools is now done
>with the aid of ergonomic devices--if you can get the operator to use them.
>GM, Ford and Harley happen to be our best customers and we do a lot of that
>stuff. Car plants these days are very safe if you keep your eyes open. So
>go out and buy F-150s, Escapes, Malibus (I think a 2M will just fit in a
>Malibu Maxx), Sportsters, and V-Rods. (End of Shameless Boosting).
>
>Richard
>
>Allied-Callaway Eq. Co., Inc.
>GLIDEPATH Systems
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Glaze
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:09 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Toyota
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>
> You have written with an Interesting perspective; something to think
>about. In fact, several things to ponder.
> In line with one of your points: I just bought a new rotor/hub for my
>Chevy van. Virtually had to take one made in China; even visually, it was
>inferior. Couldn't get a Bendix in a timely manner, but I would have done
>so, in spite of the price difference, ($60 vice $134.) Difference would
>have been worth it, but I needed to get the brakes fixed pronto. Hope the
>thing works O.K.--brakes are too important to take lightly. At the first
>hint of trouble, off it comes and into the trash bin, and on goes a Bendix.
> Bill Glaze
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Miller
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> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Toyota
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>
> Popular conception of the average autoworker that helps foster the
>notion the original US car manufacturers sell over priced, inferior
>products because of organized labor. I personally do not favor unions but
>saw their need first hand. I spent 3 1/2 years with GM in Tarrytown NY, 2
>weeks on the assembly line and the rest of the time in skilled trades with
>a short stint as a per diem supervisor. The press failed to mention when
>publicizing UAW wages that typically a "line person" was working 46 to 54
>hours a week and the press included health and pension benefits into their
>hourly wage numbers. Add up your salary and all benefits and break it down
>by hour, I think you will be surprised. Fact is very few could do what
>autoworkers do in a typical day, hang 600 or so fenders, bumpers, doors,
>paint and lay lead in full jump suits with respirators ( 50's through 80's
>). It is hard, boring and tedious work. But many of those people put their
>sons and daughters through college so they might have a better life. They
>were a huge part of the middle class, which by the way pays the freight in
>this country and far too many send their sons and daughters overseas to
>push questionable political agendas. During my tenure with GM I saw 3
>deaths and countless serious injuries. For sure, there were abuses on both
>sides, union and management. However, the UAW did not make the decision to
>put all their eggs in one basket pushing low mpg SUV's in a world of $60 +
>barrel of oil costs. The major blame of the original US automakers current
>blight can be laid at managements doorstep, adopting pay later schemes to
>pay for benefits and paying executives as much as 500 times what employees
>make. The totally out of control health care costs in this country threaten
>to bankrupt everyone if left unchecked. In fact many big US companies in
>general suffer the same business model, pay later and pay way to much to
>the decision makers for making questionable long term decisions. Not
>everyone can be a rocket scientist, doctor or Bill Gates. I'll continue to
>purchase US made products when available and that's the real crime, often
>their is no US made alternative. If my recent experience with overseas
>built junk LCD TV's is any indication, we all soon will wish we didn't
>export the middle class. You get exactly what you pay for, never more.
> Ed M.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Terry Terrenoire
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Cc: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Toyota
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>
> What seems to be forgotten is that Chrysler paid the govt back every
>penny that was lent to it, plus interest!
> I may P.O. some people, but I firmly believe that the industry's main
>problem is the Unions. I remember growing up in the 50's and 60's. There
>were strikes nearly every other year with the Unions DEMANDING greater and
>greater benefits, now we are all paying for them. One is early retirements
>with life time guaranteed medical benefits, with NO contribution from the
>workers, another was paying some HS drop out 3 times the minimum wage just
>to but lug nuts on the cars.
>
> Terry T.
>
>
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:35:55 -0500 "Jay Marshall"
><lightfoot at sc.rr.com> writes:
> Remember what happened when a certain CEO took Chrysler Chapt.11? We
>all bailed him out.
>
> As for cars, I bought a Honda Element, a mini-SUV. It measures 2m in
>the rear with the seats up (they raise off the floor and fold against the
>sides) but I haven't tried to get my Focus inside as yet. The floors are
>rubberized so fuel, etc., won't harm them. It also gets 26mpg on the way to
>contests.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:07 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Toyota
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>
> I have to agree. IMO the domestic car companies produce as good if
>not better vehicles than their overseas counterparts. It has become
>"trendy" to own certain plaques over others. A Chevrolet Z06 Corvette with
>no other changes other than a Ferrari badge would cost well into the 6
>figures instead of 70K. There used to be a saying "as GM goes so does the
>USA". Many think that no longer applies. I say watch what happens if GM
>and/or Ford goes chapter 11. I've always felt that if I bought a US
>product I was in some way helping my neighbor.
>
> Ed M.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Dean Pappas
>
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:51 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Toyota
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> You know, it's a terrible shame that after taking a deserved heck
>of a beating for truly poor reliability/design back in the seventies,
>
> Detroit has honest-to-for-really turned their act around ... and
>they don't get credit for it!
>
> My Grand Caravan with the Stow n'Go seats is a marvellously
>practical vehicle.
>
>
>
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>
> Dean Pappas
> Sr. Design Engineer
> Kodeos Communications
> 111 Corporate Blvd.
> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
> (908) 222-7817 phone
> (908) 222-2392 fax
> d.pappas at kodeos.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Rick Wallace
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:11 AM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Toyota
>
> Not sure it works to say that 'all profits go to Japan' - at one
> point, GM owned 1% of Toyota. I just checked the Toyota corp's stock
>symbol- there's a family of symbols shown - can't easily trace WHERE the
>ownership is / where the profits go.
>
> When I did the 'buy a van' analysis in 2003 major factors were:
> -- The need to handle 36000 miles a year.
> -- Reliability
> -- Whether my van would outlive the payment stream. I wasn't /
>am not confident that most 'US makes' will either do that.
> -- Reputable dealer / support network.
>
> Based on the above factors, (Consumer Reports information and
>personal experience with FMC/ Chrysler family / Gm dealers in the NJ area)
>my choice narrowed quickly to Honda and Toyota.
>
> Your mileage may vary; my search led me to a van that may not be
>the BEST choice, but it's been good enough so far.
>
> -Rick
>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:40:15 +0000
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> Ideally, for the US, it would be better to have the profits
>stay here as well.
>
>
>
> Nonetheless, the workers get to stay here, the workers
>salaries stay here, taxes stay here, and Toyota has invested profits in the
>US building the infrastructure to manufacture in the US.
>
>
>
> Far better for the US than the only piece being point of sale.
> Quite possibly better for the US than many US firms which design and
>manufacture overseas, and then import back to the US for point of sale.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Gerald Gallagher" <ggall at bellsouth.net>
>
> Toyota, built in USA BUT, all Profits go to Japan.
>Something to think about?
>
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> Jerry Gallagher
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