[NSRCA-discussion] I give up -- almost new Webra 160 AARaerowithMC carb for sale

Mon Jan 23 08:12:16 AKST 2006

The Hangar 9 Ultra-Stik lite would work well.

Dean Pappas
Sr. Design Engineer
Kodeos Communications
111 Corporate Blvd.
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
(908) 222-7817 phone
(908) 222-2392 fax
d.pappas at kodeos.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ed Miller
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:40 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I give up -- almost new Webra 160
AARaerowithMC carb for sale

I'm currently assembling an ARF Balsa Nova 120 from Morris Hobbies right 
now. Nice plane. Although  set mine up with a trusty YS120AC for fun flying, 
it would easily accommodate and inverted or side mounted OS or Webra 2C with 
a pipe outside the fuse on the bottom or along the right side.
Ed M.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Flynt" <dflynt at verizon.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I give up -- almost new Webra 160 AAR 
aerowithMC carb for sale

> Thanks Jim.  Yeah, I heard about the Lazulite incident.  I am still amazed
> my mine did not disintegrate.  I had a dead stick, off runway landing with
> my Elan several years ago at the same field, same stuff.  I hit a small
> burned bush with my wing.  This tore the wing loose, and broke the 
> mounting
> brackets out of the fuse, and whiplashed the fuse so violently, that it
> snapped it in half.  And I was flared just the same in both occasions.
>
> Thank you all for the kind and encouraging responses, and for the guidance
> in setting up the OS and Webra.  I know now that I rushed getting into the
> air, and I will proceed with more patience.  I have not received any cash
> offers yet for the Webra, so I think I will hold onto it and play with it 
> on
> the side, in a test plane.  I am still intrigued and impressed by the 
> Webra.
> If someone wants it, let me know and I may change my mind again and sell 
> it.
>
> Speaking of test planes, after this experience I would like to thoroughly
> test all my engines before mounting into a pattern plane.  Can someone
> suggest a suitable ARF test plane that would allow switching beween 
> various
> 1.40-1.60 engines -- ys, os, webra.  One that is not fragile and can 
> handle
> the shake of any new engine would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Jim
> Woodward
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:01 AM
> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] I give up -- almost new Webra 160 AAR
> aerowithMC carb for sale
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Sorry to hear about the Webra problems.  This exact scenario did not turn
> out the same for a local pilot, Bill Robinson.  His died just after 
> takeoff
> and resulted in a completely destroyed, new, PL Lazulite (last summer)
>
> Jim W.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of David Flynt
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:43 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] I give up -- almost new Webra 160 AAR aero
> withMC carb for sale
>
> Let me first say to those who have achieved success with this engine --  
> you
> are intellectually superior, and you have magnitudes more patience than I.
>
> I tried over three long days to get this engine running, and on the ground 
> I
> thought I had this thing running quite well.  It turns a 15.5x12 APC 
> 4-blade
> at 8000 rpm, brand new, at a rich setting, with 1/2 tank run through it. 
> It
> has enormous power and compression.  Too much compression in my opinion. 
> I
> can barely turn it over with a gear reduced starter.  For me, it does not
> hand start easily with a chicken stick, although the first day I had it
> starting by backing up the prop against compression, when everything 
> seemed
> just right.  It takes a strong glow to start this engine, especially when
> you are setting it up for the first time, as the low end tends to be quite
> rich.
>
> I studied material and seeked advice on how to set up and adjust this
> engine.  I spent a lot of time getting the linkage just right, and then
> proceeded with care through the points on the throttle/mixture settings. 
> It
> seems straightforward once you understand the concepts, but on both trim
> flights, it died rich not long after takeoff.  Today it died rich at about
> 20 feet altitude, and the landing in brush should have ruined my brand new
> ZNline Supreme.  It should have at least ripped my landing gear off, tore 
> a
> wing off, dented or cracked something.  Somehow it hit a patch of grass in 
> a
> three-point attitude, and came out unharmed except for a minor tear in the
> gear pant.  Unbelieveable luck.
>
> After missing the Phoenix contest this weekend because of my troubles, I
> decided last weekend that I was not going to keep this engine.  I bought 
> an
> OS 140rx to replace it, because an engine like the Webra, although
> sophisticated and well made, is too complicated for me.  I need something
> that is easy to start and adjust.  I think perhaps one of my problems is
> that the engine could be moving around too much on the soft mount. 
> Perhaps
> I have it set too rich on one or more of the mix points, or I need to 
> spend
> more time with this engine.  Actually, I think if I spent another day with
> this engine, I could get it running, but I have lost patience.  Whatever 
> is
> causing my trouble, I want to be up front with the reason I am selling.  I
> ran the webra today to give it one last chance, but I also wanted to get 
> it
> running to know that it is suitable for sale on this list.  There is 
> nothing
> wrong with this engine in the hands of a patient, capable person.  It
> certainly has power to spare.
>
> It is a shame I invested so much into this engine, and I did not get to
> enjoy the performance.  However, I am just glad that I did not ruin my
> plane.  Oh, there was no crankshaft damage during the off runway landing,
> and no debris in the engine.  I think it is a good engine if you know how 
> to
> run it.
>
> Here is what I have for a discounted price (buyer pays actuall shipping
> cost.  I will package with care):
>
> 1 Webra 160 AAR aero with M/C carb.  Has 1/2 gallon of cool power 15%
> through it.  Original box, all manuals, decals, prop washer, -- complete.
> Near new, has only been run over the last two weeks.  $375.00
>
> 2 Koyo Stainless steel rear bearings for this engine.    These are are 
> very
> nice bearings.  $12.00 each
>
> 1 tappered collet, new - $3.50
>
> 1 ring, new $22.00
>
> 1 bag (6 pieces) wrist pin clips, new $2.00
>
> 1 piston, new $35.00
>
> Regards,
>
> David Flynt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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