[NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or some such stuff

Tue Feb 28 17:44:35 AKST 2006

Not to mention Ted White's El Gringo, which looked a whole lot like a P-51B.
Dean

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	From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org on behalf of Earl Haury 
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	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or some such stuff

	Another pattern Mustang was Ralph White's (Flightglass Models) - he flew it
	in FAI pattern in the '70's and won Sport Scale at the Nats a couple of
	times.

	Earl
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	From: "dwaynenancy" <dwaynenancy at cox.net>
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	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or some such stuff

	> Do you remember Ted White's El Gringo.  Mustang looking.  Dwayne
	>
	> Dean Pappas wrote:
	>
	>> Hi Gray,
	>> You never saw my '90/'91 season Stand-off Mustang?
	>> Dean
	>>
	>>
	>> Dean Pappas
	>> Sr. Design Engineer
	>> Kodeos Communications
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	>>
	>>     -----Original Message-----
	>>     *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
	>>     [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of
	>>     *Gray E Fowler
	>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:48 AM
	>>     *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
	>>     *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or some such stuff
	>>
	>>
	>>     I have never flown non turnaround pattern. When I first got in to
	>>     pattern I saw all the comments flyin' around about how turnaround
	>>     kills attendance. To this day I cannot figure out why the older
	>>     guys (which if you flew non turn around you were either very young
	>>     then or old now) wank so much about this change. Perhaps the
	>>     decline of pattern from its heyday has more to do with with other
	>>     RC interest than stinkin' turnaround changes. When I was young, we
	>>     had 3 TV channnels, and when MASH came on EVERYONE watched, unless
	>>     Nixon was giving us a speech, which was on all 3 channels, in that
	>>     case we were all screwed.....Would MASH be so popular today
	>>     competing with 150 other channels, INCLUDING "The Food
	>>     Channel????!!!!!"  I think not!  Learn how to make a
	>>     quiche......or MASH. As you can see this is quite a quandary.
	>>
	>>     I will say that when I first investigated pattern and found out
	>>     everyone had $550 engines instead of my $99 two stroke-I was
	>>     flabergasted. I still might be.
	>>
	>>     To me turnaround is the coolest and not the problem.....when does
	>>     this argument end? I would guess in another 10 years, because at
	>>     that time all that flew NON turnaround will be dead or quit due to
	>>     age.
	>>
	>>     When I started Ed Hurt was flying Masters at age 75......He told
	>>     me alot but NEVER told me that turnaround sucked........
	>>
	>>     Billion Dollar Batteries, Electric gear motors, $650 engines and
	>>     pristine "works of art" scare the average sport flyer (by
	>>     showing/thinking they cannot do that) much more than turnaround......
	>>
	>>     Scenario #56.....Sport flyer thinking about pattern......Lets see,
	>>     No problem with powerplants costing 5-15X of my OS.45, just won't
	>>     feed the kids for a week, 300 hours to build and paint a flying
	>>     master piece, and of course $2500 for that kit -semi arf deal,
	>>     then I gotta learn turnaround too!!!! No WAY.....Dealing with the
	>>     French for the plane was bad enough, now I gotta learn turnaound
	>>     too????...I am out for sure......
	>>
	>>     Now I am off in search of the perfect P-51 lookin'pattern
	>>     plane.............I think that that bottom air scoop makes for
	>>     better Knife Edges, increases rudder authority, slows the plane
	>>     down better, increasing smoothness and gracefulness (thus
	>>     increasing scores), makes snap entrances better, AND better
	>>     throttle response (far superior to ANY electric). I conducted
	>>     these tests myself, collected data so I know I am right. I cannot
	>>     believe that the rest of you have not seen the wisdom of a P-51
	>>     pattern plane. No wonder you find turnaround so difficult.
	>>
	>>     Gray Fowler
	>>     Principal Chemical Engineer
	>>     Composites Engineering
	>>
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