[NSRCA-discussion] Electric TT Spinner

Jr LESHER trexlesh at msn.com
Mon Feb 20 14:10:49 AKST 2006


It's my understanding that some of the companies are installing cooling fans in the new outrunner motors.  I believe I heard that Plettenberg is doing this to all the new 30-10's and the new wind motor they are building....

Rex
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George Kennie<mailto:geobet at gis.net> 
  To: chad at f3acanada.org<mailto:chad at f3acanada.org> ; NSRCA Mailing List<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
  Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric TT Spinner


  After seeing some guy at the Worlds with an outrunner hanging out in the breeze
  off of the nose ring former, I have ever since wondered why some manufacturer
  doesn't fabricate an outrunner with the shell of the motor in the shape of a
  spinner with cooling holes around the nose area and exits out the back and through
  the nose former. Wouldn't be all that tough to do.
  Sounds like a neat project for Eric and his Shureline !???

  Chad Northeast wrote:

  > I have flown without the spinner to evaluate cooling, its a fairly
  > significant change but the appearance offset the cooling :)  I also
  > experimented with some cutouts which may be where the original post came
  > from?  They were on the sides of the cone and more or less ineffective
  > (no real surprise, but I wanted to try anyways).  I also milled the TT
  > light backplate to act as a fan of sorts, but the RPM is way too low for
  > it to efficiently put air through.  I spoke with Plettenberg about fans,
  > they have also done testing and indicated that for their heli stuff you
  > need to have the fan spinning 10k-20k rpm to get any effect out of it.
  >
  > That being said, properly done the motors can run within limits with a
  > full spinner.  160F and lower on the can measured after a flight is ok.
  >
  > We have other ideas to duct air into the fuse such as smaller spinners
  > and annular gaps that scoop the air and force it over the can....but
  > that is much more complicated and requires some fiberglass work, and
  > mods to the plane.
  >
  > Chad
  >
  > Keith Black wrote:
  >
  > > My question is, other than looks, what is the purpose of a spinner an
  > > electric pattern plane?
  > >
  > > - Reducing drag isn't a concern as recent designs are being built to
  > > be more draggy.
  > > - Starters aren't used with electrics so having a nose cone isn't
  > > necessary for starting.
  > >
  > > The only thing I can think of is to clean the air flow and reduce
  > > turbulence from the blunt nose so air going around the fuse and over
  > > the wings is smoother, however, with the prop chewing the air so close
  > > to the nose of the plane I'm not sure this is significant.
  > >
  > > Opinions?
  > >
  > > Keith Black
  > >
  > >     ----- Original Message -----
  > >     *From:* Terry Terrenoire <mailto:amad2terry at juno.com<mailto:amad2terry at juno.com>>
  > >     *To:* nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  > >     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
  > >     *Sent:* Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:22 PM
  > >     *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric TT Spinner
  > >
  > >     I am adapting a 30 year old design to a pattern electric. This
  > >     plane was designed around the Veco .19. I think I am going to use
  > >     the E-Flite 450. Total weight looks to be in the 32 oz range. I
  > >     just started drawing the motor cowl. What I am going to try to do
  > >     is use a very small spinner, possibly 1 1/4, but make the ring
  > >     behind the spinner backplate 2" to 2 1/2" diameter. That will
  > >     allow air to enter the motor compartment from around the spinner.
  > >     Another option I have been considering is 2 cheek scoops!
  > >
  > >     Terry T.
  > >
  > >
  > >     On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:48:52 EST Rcmaster199 at aol.com<mailto:Rcmaster199 at aol.com>
  > >     <mailto:Rcmaster199 at aol.com<mailto:Rcmaster199 at aol.com>> writes:
  > >
  > >         It's no big deal to make cutouts in the spinner cone. Just
  > >         requires more cereful balance. I've attempted it before on
  > >         smaller spinners but wasn't happy with the results (on wet
  > >         set-ups, and both cooling air flow wise and strength wise)
  > >
  > >         Theory sounds good but in practice, don't expect much air flow
  > >         to penetrate into the spinner when the motor is running
  > >         at higher power output. The ribs that would be needed to still
  > >         make the spinner functional, would likely block off air flow.
  > >         Turbulence that could result, would likely rob power.
  > >
  > >         BUT, one way it could work fairly well would be to actually
  > >         refashion or bend the ribs in such a shape that air is
  > >         literaly drawn in and forced through the spinner. Like a set
  > >         of impeller vanes. The pitch of the vanes wouldn't need to be
  > >         very high. It would rob some power from the motor though, so
  > >         the practicality could be questionable.
  > >
  > >         On the other hand, an optimal pitch angle probably exists and
  > >         could be found, that robs the minimum power and provides the
  > >         maximum cooling air flow through the spinner.
  > >
  > >         Matt
  > >
  > >         In a message dated 2/19/2006 7:28:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
  > >         jshulman at cfl.rr.com<mailto:jshulman at cfl.rr.com> writes:
  > >
  > >             I didn't know they were doing that. Thought they just cut
  > >             out for the props
  > >             and have the lightened back plate.
  > >
  > >             Regards,
  > >             Jason
  > >             www.jasonshulman.com<http://www.jasonshulman.com/>
  > >             www.shulmanaviation.com<http://www.shulmanaviation.com/>
  > >             www.composite-arf.com<http://www.composite-arf.com/>
  > >
  > >             -----Original Message-----
  > >             From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
  > >             [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf
  > >             Of Pat Hewitt
  > >             Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:18 PM
  > >             To: patternrules at earthlink.net<mailto:patternrules at earthlink.net>; NSRCA Mailing List; NSRCA
  > >             Mailing List
  > >             Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric TT Spinner
  > >
  > >
  > >             Please advise,
  > >
  > >             What are some of your thoughts on the cut outs of a True
  > >             Turn Spinner for
  > >             cooling on an Electric Pattern Plane not the back plate
  > >             but the cone itself.
  > >
  > >             Pat h.
  > >
  > >
  > >
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